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Post by StatesideStokie on Mar 16, 2019 2:30:50 GMT
They made sense at the time, just some were still very blind about what was in front of them. Quite a few of the more vocal posters on here were in denial , I personally predicted Hughes would ruin the club and was lambasted by some of those posters. Well done. Give that boy a sticker and a lollipop.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 16, 2019 2:33:48 GMT
Hughes made some big mistakes an£ had run his race m but the facts are it’s gut worse since he left , neither money or new managers have fixed it , it’s the equivalent of the murderer being in jail and the killings continuing , someone else is accountable and it’s not just the next manager .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 16, 2019 2:41:58 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. Thats down to having a different manager picking the players, its no coincidence.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 16, 2019 3:48:53 GMT
The worst part is with these fu***ers who are on payroll but dont play ie Imbula etc, we can get rid of them but they may still remain on payroll to some extent as part of severance deal villa are still paying Micah richards 60k a week and he went 2 -3 yrs ago. Been offered payoff but refused . Joke scenario The pattern for most relegated teams is spaffing millions on absolute cunts of the highest order. Also, I always think Imbula looks 20 years older than his supposed age. Anyway, that's for another time...
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Post by roloman on Mar 16, 2019 4:30:00 GMT
For all the Hughes apologists please explain to me how the wanker didn’t ruin our club after he oversaw an absolute shambles.I hate the waste of space even more now😡 Yeah but he gave us three 9th place finishes! And then he got bored and lost all interest
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Post by nott1 on Mar 16, 2019 7:01:40 GMT
His description of Imbula subbing himself on and off in a pre-season friendly beacause Charlie Adam chose another option than passing to him..and the “management “ said and did nothing. It would be hilarious if it was any other team , but it isn’t, so it is just plain annoying how such a culture was allowed to be created and not stamped out. They did do something.....loaned him out.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 16, 2019 7:08:41 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/glen-johnson-stoke-hughes-imbula-2652610Infuriating to listen to. Makes your blood boil. How can a whole mnagement team be so meek and passive as the building goes up in flames around them. All three of the Taffia just turned the other cheek instead of having it out with the tosser group that had infiltrated the squad. Would love to have it explicitly stated who the really toxic characters were in addition to the obviously completely odious wanker Imbula. Worth noting that Imbula was out of the door to Toulouse in August, so his particular brand of bellendery was at least gone.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 16, 2019 7:41:22 GMT
Truth is, it all went pear shaped as the Pulis and ethos players left. Hughes signed bad characters for QPR then us. For example, whoever couldn’t see the Bera deal wasn’t going to end well was blind. We got into the Premier leagues as a solid unit and left it shattered.
That’s why we need to stick with Jones, he is the only manager since Pulis who had the heart to do this.
Before I get slated, I agree Pulis had run his course, but he’s never really been replaced imo. True Pulis would never have got Arnie or Shaq to sign and we had some great times, but it was never sustainable.
Also, others posters have said Hughes got bored and lost interest, so did some of the fans. Many people post a 2/3 years ago saying the Prem is wank etc. Well, they don’t have to worry about that now. I see similarities to why happened to Stoke with those of Boro, Bolton and Fulham. A good few seasons in the Premiership, then free fall.
That’s why I think the success of Jones is key, but I think it will take at least 2 full seasons after this when all the passengers have gone.
Sad, but true.
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2019 8:18:17 GMT
At least he’s named names
You listening Liam
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Post by mozzer on Mar 16, 2019 8:32:00 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us.
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2019 8:35:00 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us. And breathe 😊
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Post by mozzer on Mar 16, 2019 8:38:22 GMT
At least he’s named names You listening Liam Chances are it will happen mate but not from the likes of Lawrence, he will be getting the info from a source within the dressing room that he is mates with and will not want to put that source in the firing line, the best hope of all the shit coming out is from people like Johnson who witnessed it first hand but are retired now and not going to upset pals still there, Adam will possibly be the next to spill his guts and then possibly crouch and shawcross may give the insight, some of that team that was put together were complete shiesters mate.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 16, 2019 8:41:08 GMT
For all the Hughes apologists please explain to me how the wanker didn’t ruin our club after he oversaw an absolute shambles.I hate the waste of space even more now😡 They will find a way mate.Three top 9 finishes,within a penalty kick of getting to Wembley at the mighty Binfield,giving a balanced view blah blah blah. Their intransigence is staggering.
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2019 8:44:40 GMT
For all the Hughes apologists please explain to me how the wanker didn’t ruin our club after he oversaw an absolute shambles.I hate the waste of space even more now😡 They will find a way mate.Three top 9 finishes,within a penalty kick of getting to Wembley at the mighty Binfield,giving a balanced view blah blah blah. Their intransigence is staggering. Were you saying these things at the time?.....if stoke had sacked Mark Hughes after we’d beaten wba away on the last day of the season when all was going well you’d of accepted that then? Would you bollocks it’s all hindsight
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 16, 2019 8:45:14 GMT
If everything Glen Johnson has said about our relegation season is right we really deserved to go down, and my impression of Mark Hughes and his staff after reading this is beyond words! If boards read this I really can't believe he ever will be wanted as a manager again, but there is always someone who will make the same mistakes you know. That this could go on for so long without any reaction from the owners is really baffling!
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Post by santy on Mar 16, 2019 8:45:59 GMT
For all the Hughes apologists please explain to me how the wanker didn’t ruin our club after he oversaw an absolute shambles.I hate the waste of space even more now😡 They will find a way mate.Three top 9 finishes,within a penalty kick of getting to Wembley at the mighty Binfield,giving a balanced view blah blah blah. Their intransigence is staggering. I don't think there's any defending as such. In Hughes we ultimately had a manager who is a fair weather manager. There are a lot of managers who are good when times are good, but they've never cultivated the skill set to be able to turn it around when it goes bad. Perhaps due to the sack happy culture of football, perhaps just due to them lacking the ability. Pardew is another, and there have been many more down the years. Equally, there are managers like Pulis who only really seem to thrive when they can unite a squad against the world. When life became comfortable for us in the premier league, Pulis only ever seemed to find it harder and harder to deliver. In some ways, the callous nature of a club like Watford can perhaps be what serves a side best. That of course relies heavily on you judging the right temperament of manager needed at the time.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 16, 2019 8:49:05 GMT
I understand what he's saying and agree with what many posters have said, that the board and Hughes should come under fire for letting it happen. But we keep hearing from these ex-players and seasoned pros that were supposedly working hard to keep us afloat. They also weren't good enough last year. It's all well and good throwing Shaqiri under the bus, but he did more last season than most of the team combined. The seasoned, 'good for the locker room' characters weren't big enough. When you only number 8 or 9 it kind of makes it difficult.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Mar 16, 2019 8:54:46 GMT
For all the Hughes apologists please explain to me how the wanker didn’t ruin our club after he oversaw an absolute shambles.I hate the waste of space even more now😡 Yeah but he gave us three 9th place finishes! On the basis of what GJ has stated, would you accept 3 9th place finishes again from a manager, if you knew the price would be that it would eventually disintegrate in the way it did? Clearly, the pillock we had in charge, as we have so painfully witnessed, was a solid as a bowl of loose stools! QPR, SCFC, SFC have ultimately proved to be an epitaph for that “management” team. That objectionable Imbula should never be allowed to set foot in Clayton Wood ever again.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 16, 2019 8:55:47 GMT
They will find a way mate.Three top 9 finishes,within a penalty kick of getting to Wembley at the mighty Binfield,giving a balanced view blah blah blah. Their intransigence is staggering. Were you saying these things at the time?.....if stoke had sacked Mark Hughes after we’d beaten wba away on the last day of the season when all was going well you’d of accepted that then? Would you bollocks it’s all hindsight Of course i wouldn't,how could i be party too what was going on.The Johnson interview is another revelation to the scale of his ineptitude, if any was needed.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 16, 2019 9:00:19 GMT
In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. Premier League Joselu? See how many games played!!!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 16, 2019 9:05:02 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/glen-johnson-stoke-hughes-imbula-2652610Infuriating to listen to. Makes your blood boil. How can a whole mnagement team be so meek and passive as the building goes up in flames around them. All three of the Taffia just turned the other cheek instead of having it out with the tosser group that had infiltrated the squad. Would love to have it explicitly stated who the really toxic characters were in addition to the obviously completely odious wanker Imbula. Worth noting that Imbula was out of the door to Toulouse in August, so his particular brand of bellendery was at least gone. Makes a mockery of the comments around that time with regard to the owners being around the club daily to witness the work that they did and the atmosphere among the squad doesn't it? Are we to assume then that the owners knew what was happening and simply turned a blind eye to the warning signs?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 16, 2019 9:12:21 GMT
In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. Really? Do you think Ince and Clucas are committed to the club and fans? Afobe blows hot and cold like Shaq; some matches he looks like he is trying, and others you wonder why he bothered to get changed. McClean gives 110% but is just class-less. The only truly "successful" signings we have seen this season are Etebo and Batth out of 14 signings this season. I appreciate I am being unfair to Federici and Vokes. Glenn Johnson was guilty of conceding a number of our goals, sometimes having gone to sleep, but if what he says is true then my question is "What were the Chairman and CEO doing during all this?" Do they think they are totally detached from the success or failure of the club. The Academy was started 20 years ago this year (I think) during which time it has produced a paucity of first team players. That is just bad management from the top. Perhaps I didn’t explain myself clearly. I was trying to reflect more about the character of players that were brought in i.e. the supposed due diligence process. With the exception of Tom Ince (who plays for Tom Ince) IMHO I think GR did and now NJ is focused upon ability and character. We all have an opinion about players abilities you have yours about Afobe. Your point about the owners and CEO is absolutely bang on. Having said that I think we’re all singing from the same song sheet about the recruitment policy under the control of Scholes and Cartwright, both seemingly immune from action within
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 16, 2019 9:13:32 GMT
At least he’s named names You listening Liam Who has he named? Just Gianni "easy target" imbula?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2019 9:19:00 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us. Didn’t Charlie Adam essentially say Liam was chattin shite!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 16, 2019 9:26:45 GMT
As many said it was the club going stale because we’d been in the PL for 10 years we took things for granted and made lazy signings on the cheap like Jese and Moting or players who hadn’t been properly scouted like Berahino, Imbula and Wimmer. What an absolute shambles. Allowed to happen by 2 people at the club who’ve taken no personal responsibility for it. The one thing I would say was it was the right time to let Whelan and Walters go. Both had been brilliant servants for the club but were on the decline as they headed towards their mid 30s the problem was we didn’t replace them with the right players going cheap with Fletcher was a bad move though there’s no doubt he’s a good character his legs had gone. We should have gone for young hungry players like Calum Wilson or Tom Cleverley but we got lazy and now it’s costing us. We need to stick with NJ a young manager who clearly cares and is a workoholic who isn’t lazy and won’t allow his players to be either. He needs total support from the board who need to sort out there internal squabbles and need to bring the club together. I’m just pleased right now it doesn’t look like we’re going to do a Sunderland. In relation to the owners and things they’ve said re being around the club etc. People are always going to lie to protect themselves and others. The likelihood of that though is you’ll always get sussed the perfect example being Scholes scouting methods 25 games etc.
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 16, 2019 9:27:01 GMT
At least he’s named names You listening Liam Chances are it will happen mate but not from the likes of Lawrence, he will be getting the info from a source within the dressing room that he is mates with and will not want to put that source in the firing line, the best hope of all the shit coming out is from people like Johnson who witnessed it first hand but are retired now and not going to upset pals still there, Adam will possibly be the next to spill his guts and then possibly crouch and shawcross may give the insight, some of that team that was put together were complete shiesters mate. do you know who the 8 good pros would be Mozzer. I'm guessing at Butland, Ryan, Bardo, Glenn, Walters, Crouch, Allen, Erik (maybe), Johnson, Charlie. Bad apples would be Imbula, Berahino, Jese, Choupo-Moting, Bony, Wimmer, Affelay. Wouldn't know about Arnie, Shaq, Diouf, Wolly, Zouma, Bojan, N'Dyia, Indi, Ramadan, Zonz. Does seem though that the British pro tends to be the glue that holds things together.
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Post by mrred on Mar 16, 2019 9:28:08 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/glen-johnson-stoke-hughes-imbula-2652610Infuriating to listen to. Makes your blood boil. How can a whole mnagement team be so meek and passive as the building goes up in flames around them. All three of the Taffia just turned the other cheek instead of having it out with the tosser group that had infiltrated the squad. Would love to have it explicitly stated who the really toxic characters were in addition to the obviously completely odious wanker Imbula. Worth noting that Imbula was out of the door to Toulouse in August, so his particular brand of bellendery was at least gone. Makes a mockery of the comments around that time with regard to the owners being around the club daily to witness the work that they did and the atmosphere among the squad doesn't it? Are we to assume then that the owners knew what was happening and simply turned a blind eye to the warning signs? Which is why I can't trust anyone from the club when they say "thesis a good group". Fool me once...
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Post by mozzer on Mar 16, 2019 9:34:58 GMT
Chances are it will happen mate but not from the likes of Lawrence, he will be getting the info from a source within the dressing room that he is mates with and will not want to put that source in the firing line, the best hope of all the shit coming out is from people like Johnson who witnessed it first hand but are retired now and not going to upset pals still there, Adam will possibly be the next to spill his guts and then possibly crouch and shawcross may give the insight, some of that team that was put together were complete shiesters mate. do you know who the 8 good pros would be Mozzer. I'm guessing at Butland, Ryan, Bardo, Glenn, Walters, Crouch, Allen, Erik (maybe), Johnson, Charlie. Bad apples would be Imbula, Berahino, Jese, Choupo-Moting, Affelay. Wouldn't know about Arnie, Shaq, Diouf, Wolly, Zouma, N'Dyia, Indi, Ramadan, Zonz. Does seem though that the British pro tends to be the glue that holds things together. Not far off to be honest, 8 pros spot on.....Cameron should be in one of your groups too 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Some of your wouldn't knows and some more names missed off too could be moved in to what would be deemed as bad apples within a club environment
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Post by chumley on Mar 16, 2019 9:40:33 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us. That's about as well said as it could have been. Spot on
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 16, 2019 9:40:46 GMT
do you know who the 8 good pros would be Mozzer. I'm guessing at Butland, Ryan, Bardo, Glenn, Walters, Crouch, Allen, Erik (maybe), Johnson, Charlie. Bad apples would be Imbula, Berahino, Jese, Choupo-Moting, Affelay. Wouldn't know about Arnie, Shaq, Diouf, Wolly, Zouma, N'Dyia, Indi, Ramadan, Zonz. Does seem though that the British pro tends to be the glue that holds things together. Not far off to be honest, 8 pros spot on.....Cameron should be in one of your groups too 🤔🤔🤔🤔 8 honest pros all complicit in the shit show. I've never read as much shite on here as there is on this thread.
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