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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 16, 2019 9:42:08 GMT
I've been thinking Imbula could do a good job for in the Championship next season, but after reading what Glen Johnson said I wouldn't let him go anywhere near the team. I think to get him off the payroll and let him go for free is the only option now. What a sad story for the club this has been.
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Post by mozzer on Mar 16, 2019 9:44:26 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us. Didn’t Charlie Adam essentially say Liam was chattin shite! That is what we thought he was aiming at and he could well have been doing so, I am a little bit out of the loop on recent goings on and I know the club have been working hard to rid the bad apples from the group, I think that Charlie's back lash was more so because the group are more united than previously and the main disruptions have left the club so he was possibly taking it personal as he was not a regular first team player at that point, no proof on that one just my thoughts.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 16, 2019 9:45:46 GMT
Chances are it will happen mate but not from the likes of Lawrence, he will be getting the info from a source within the dressing room that he is mates with and will not want to put that source in the firing line, the best hope of all the shit coming out is from people like Johnson who witnessed it first hand but are retired now and not going to upset pals still there, Adam will possibly be the next to spill his guts and then possibly crouch and shawcross may give the insight, some of that team that was put together were complete shiesters mate. do you know who the 8 good pros would be Mozzer. I'm guessing at Butland, Ryan, Bardo, Glenn, Walters, Crouch, Allen, Erik (maybe), Johnson, Charlie. Bad apples would be Imbula, Berahino, Jese, Choupo-Moting, Bony, Wimmer, Affelay. Wouldn't know about Arnie, Shaq, Diouf, Wolly, Zouma, Bojan, N'Dyia, Indi, Ramadan, Zonz. Does seem though that the British pro tends to be the glue that holds things together. I’ve always thought Diouf though limited as a footballer is a good pro. Never moaned at playing RB etc. Indi too seems pretty popular. Let’s not forget it’s only GJs opinion also. Though I’m not doubting there’s a lot of truth to what he says I’m sure there’s some bias too. NZonzi shouldn’t be on the list either as he’d long long and is a top class player. I think those first names are pretty spot on though and it angers me when I think about the money they’ve taken and are still taking from the club. Berahino Choupa NDaye Jese Wimmer Bony Are Everything that’s so bad about the modern game. Players with talent who’ve become very rich very young and then decided to sit on their arses for the rest of their careers having become lazy and arrogant living on their reputation as there careers dwindles as they reach 30.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 16, 2019 9:45:58 GMT
On the Imbula subbing himself off point, while he was wrong to do it, it is true that Charlie avoided passing to him in any game I saw them play together. It was clear he saw him as his replacement and he couldn't handle it.
Good honest pro....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 9:47:21 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 16, 2019 9:48:16 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise? it is just that. Stoke fans lapping it up though.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 16, 2019 9:52:24 GMT
Should bad characters be allowed to join in pre season. ? Whilst they are finding new clubs. My thought is no. I'm emailing the club on Monday about this issue. Why wait until Monday. An email been sent. Why should toxic players be able to have a bad influence on our progressing squad? Probably something in the players contract I’d imagine.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 16, 2019 9:52:52 GMT
To be fair to Johnson, it's one thing being dog shit - which he undeniably was towards the end (as were several of the supposed good egg British core)
It's another to be take a sledgehammer to the culture around the club.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 16, 2019 9:54:43 GMT
This board is the definition of insanity sometimes.
People have been asking for 2-3 years what has been going on behind the scenes to contribute to our downfall. People are starting to lift the lid and each one of those doing so is being lambasted for it.
The truth can never possibly ever be outed as no source seems good enough for the sages on here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2019 9:56:34 GMT
Don’t know what’s funnier really, people falling over themselves to hail Johnson as a benevolent bastion of truth (a bloke who once nicked a toilet seat from B&Q) or the bizarre cult of Imbula Twitter kids trying to make excuses for him again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2019 9:57:45 GMT
This board is the definition of insanity sometimes. People have been asking for 2-3 years what has been going on behind the scenes to contribute to our downfall. People are starting to lift the lid and each one of those doing so is being lambasted for it. The truth can never possibly ever be outed as no source seems good enough for the sages on here. It’s funny how all this ‘lid lifting’ conveniently involves it not being the fault of the one lifting the lid, isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:58:17 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise? it is just that. Stoke fans lapping it up though. Do you not think that any of what he says is true then?
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 16, 2019 10:01:26 GMT
This board is the definition of insanity sometimes. People have been asking for 2-3 years what has been going on behind the scenes to contribute to our downfall. People are starting to lift the lid and each one of those doing so is being lambasted for it. The truth can never possibly ever be outed as no source seems good enough for the sages on here. It’s funny how all this ‘lid lifting’ conveniently involves it not being the fault of the one lifting the lid, isn’t it? Of course - but that’s always going to be the case isn’t it? No fucker is going to blow the lid off and then say ‘and I was a big part of it’ are they?!? So bearing that in mind let’s all just draw a line and accept the fact we’ve been fucked.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2019 10:03:08 GMT
It’s funny how all this ‘lid lifting’ conveniently involves it not being the fault of the one lifting the lid, isn’t it? Of course - but that’s always going to be the case isn’t it? No fucker is going to blow the lid off and then say ‘and I was a big part of it’ are they?!? So bearing that in mind let’s all just draw a line and accept the fact we’ve been fucked. Dunno, the decent sorts will you’d hope. A lack of self awareness doesn’t have to come as standard.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 16, 2019 10:04:39 GMT
Chances are it will happen mate but not from the likes of Lawrence, he will be getting the info from a source within the dressing room that he is mates with and will not want to put that source in the firing line, the best hope of all the shit coming out is from people like Johnson who witnessed it first hand but are retired now and not going to upset pals still there, Adam will possibly be the next to spill his guts and then possibly crouch and shawcross may give the insight, some of that team that was put together were complete shiesters mate. do you know who the 8 good pros would be Mozzer. I'm guessing at Butland, Ryan, Bardo, Glenn, Walters, Crouch, Allen, Erik (maybe), Johnson, Charlie. Bad apples would be Imbula, Berahino, Jese, Choupo-Moting, Bony, Wimmer, Affelay. Wouldn't know about Arnie, Shaq, Diouf, Wolly, Zouma, Bojan, N'Dyia, Indi, Ramadan, Zonz. Does seem though that the British pro tends to be the glue that holds things together. Diouf's attitude has never been questioned has it? He will play anywhere to help the team,he isn't that good but that's another story.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 16, 2019 10:06:05 GMT
Of course - but that’s always going to be the case isn’t it? No fucker is going to blow the lid off and then say ‘and I was a big part of it’ are they?!? So bearing that in mind let’s all just draw a line and accept the fact we’ve been fucked. Dunno, the decent sorts will you’d hope. A lack of self awareness doesn’t have to come as standard. Mate from a human perspective I totally agree with you, but it just isn’t going to happen is it? When was the last time anyone in football did what you’re suggesting? There are secondary careers to consider. Money corrupts and all that.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 16, 2019 10:13:42 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise? You are a very perceptive man!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2019 10:16:39 GMT
Dunno, the decent sorts will you’d hope. A lack of self awareness doesn’t have to come as standard. Mate from a human perspective I totally agree with you, but it just isn’t going to happen is it? When was the last time anyone in football did what you’re suggesting? There are secondary careers to consider. Money corrupts and all that. It doesn’t happen often, granted, but it nevertheless rather undermines Johnson’s point. If it was someone who’d given their all and been one of the ones busting a gut I could go with it, it just sticks in the throat that he was every inch one of the worst performers over that godawful last couple of seasons.
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Post by kerouac on Mar 16, 2019 10:21:40 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise? it is just that. Stoke fans lapping it up though. Johnson strikes me as a bit of a wall flower but not a shirker.....he was far too hot or cold for us but why are you doubting what he’s saying and I don’t see him absenting himself from blame but merely saying it as it was......a fucking horror show with that complete cunt Hughes at the helm.
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 16, 2019 10:21:48 GMT
It's a fucking shambles each and every way and top to bottom.
The righteous 8 for not doing the thing that defines senior pro's and 'having a word'.
The circus (& their surly offspring) that masqueraded as a management team for paying obscene money to bring in such mercenaries in the first place and then for allowing the tail to wag the dog.
And the CEO / board for having their collective finger so far away from the pulse, it is barely credible.
Even worse: everyone from the last group that were complicit in, and to some extent, orchestrated the shit show is still here as are some of the low life that we still employ at enormous expense.
They really, really should not be. Whatever the cost.
No wonder Jones looked stressed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 10:22:27 GMT
As a group, the relegation was the responsibility of all of them. Even where there are a couple of different types of character that behave differently, don't deal with things properly, if it had been a stronger group like we had for most of our decade in the top flight, then they would have sorted it out.
These ex players 'lifting the lid' are just excusing themselves.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2019 10:27:28 GMT
Mate from a human perspective I totally agree with you, but it just isn’t going to happen is it? When was the last time anyone in football did what you’re suggesting? There are secondary careers to consider. Money corrupts and all that. It doesn’t happen often, granted, but it nevertheless rather undermines Johnson’s point. If it was someone who’d given their all and been one of the ones busting a gut I could go with it, it just sticks in the throat that he was every inch one of the worst performers over that godawful last couple of seasons. And to add to that, he was one that seemed to join the Benji relegation bus and embrace relegation talk at preseason, model pro my bollocks!
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 16, 2019 10:27:29 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise? He signed a one year extension so couldn't of hated the game that much.The decision to give him an extension whilst injured,and to get rid of Bardsley,is just one of the many blunders from the management team. For what it's worth i really don't believe he has the wit or inclination to make it up.He could of gone with the players out of form,,a couple of wrong signings line and still got his fee.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 16, 2019 10:39:34 GMT
The owners were aware of the problems behind the scenes, though maybe not all and the extent of them, and they had reached the point where they hoped to survive the season and then they would have binned Hughes
.Hughes was notorious for avoiding confrontation - turning his back literally as well as figuratively according to Johnson - and had clearly lost all authority and respect well before he got the bullet.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 16, 2019 10:40:56 GMT
Well you can tell Denise calls the shots at bet365 (and grew them from being run from a Portakabin to what they are today) because she wouldn't allow a shit show like this to fester.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 16, 2019 10:42:35 GMT
Mate from a human perspective I totally agree with you, but it just isn’t going to happen is it? When was the last time anyone in football did what you’re suggesting? There are secondary careers to consider. Money corrupts and all that. It doesn’t happen often, granted, but it nevertheless rather undermines Johnson’s point. If it was someone who’d given their all and been one of the ones busting a gut I could go with it, it just sticks in the throat that he was every inch one of the worst performers over that godawful last couple of seasons. He was and the fact that he was given a 12 month contract extension, whilst Bardsley who is still playing premiership football,was shown the door,further highlights the management teams ineptitude.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 16, 2019 10:43:08 GMT
I always thought Johnson had a much better first season with us than I expected but after that was dreadful. However if he had become as disillusioned as he says why would he put in the effort when poor attitude players are getting away with it? Out of interest how many of the good eggs had a dip in form? Certainly it explains Shawcross and his apparent lack of caring when a goal was conceded. There is nothing more demotivating than seeing other people getting away with a blatant disregard for rules and ethics while you are trying your best but feel you are being criticised for every mistake and small dismineanor.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 16, 2019 10:47:02 GMT
It doesn’t happen often, granted, but it nevertheless rather undermines Johnson’s point. If it was someone who’d given their all and been one of the ones busting a gut I could go with it, it just sticks in the throat that he was every inch one of the worst performers over that godawful last couple of seasons. He was and the fact that he was given a 12 month contract extension, whilst Bardsley who is still playing premiership football,was shown the door,further highlights the management teams ineptitude. The Beardsley sale was ridiculous considering who we kept / bought in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 10:48:28 GMT
The owners were aware of the problems behind the scenes, though maybe not all and the extent of them, and they had reached the point where they hoped to survive the season and then they would have binned Hughes
.Hughes was notorious for avoiding confrontation - turning his back literally as well as figuratively according to Johnson - and had clearly lost all authority and respect well before he got the bullet. "That's lovely, Martin"
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 16, 2019 10:50:42 GMT
Poor Nathan having worked his socks off to turn things round this season can look forward to having to meet the mighty Imbula, Wimmer and N'diaye on the first day of pre season. Have a good summer Nathan!
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