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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2019 21:07:43 GMT
I think an experienced bloke might have come up with something but , like Rowett , Jones is learning on the job. I can’t see them coming up with anything that would drastically improve us. There’s no quick fix. No there isn’t but I am genuinely worried that this isn’t even heading in the right direction. The whole point of bringing in Jones was , I guess, to give him the opportunity to do what he has done in the lower leagues with higher quality players. Are we finding that the two aren’t compatible so the best we can hope for after a transfer window or two is that he has turned us into a good league 1 side ? Worrying times and very unrewarding times in terms of the viewing spectacle.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:08:49 GMT
I can’t see them coming up with anything that would drastically improve us. There’s no quick fix. No there isn’t but I am genuinely worried that this isn’t even heading in the right direction. The whole point of bringing in Jones was , I guess, to give him the opportunity to do what he has done in the lower leagues with higher quality players. Are we finding that the two aren’t compatible so the best we can hope for after a transfer window or two is that he has turned us into a good league 1 side ? Worrying times and very unrewarding times in terms of the viewing spectacle. We don’t know do we? We won’t know until he’s had a pre-season and a transfer window.
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2019 21:10:58 GMT
And to think we could have appointed TP as manager last January and we would still be in the Prem.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:12:16 GMT
And to think we could have appointed TP as manager last January and we would still be in the Prem. Just like West Brom are.
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Post by bigvern on Feb 23, 2019 21:14:45 GMT
I'm willing to give him the time until he gets his own side in. At present he's living on our previous managers appaling signings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 21:15:25 GMT
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 23, 2019 21:15:47 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. Momo i haven’t heard his after match comments. But I would argue with the title of your post
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:18:17 GMT
I can’t see them coming up with anything that would drastically improve us. There’s no quick fix. Work ethic Self belief System to suit players Team bonding Would do for start. None of that happens overnight. What system does suit these players?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 23, 2019 21:19:43 GMT
Work ethic Self belief System to suit players Team bonding Would do for start. None of that happens overnight. What system does suit these players? I think he's alluding to a TP system...
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 21:19:49 GMT
I'm willing to give him the time until he gets his own side in. At present he's living on our previous managers appaling signings. What makes you think he will get his own players In? Couple of Luton players may be but the majority of that 18 today will still be here.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2019 21:20:38 GMT
No there isn’t but I am genuinely worried that this isn’t even heading in the right direction. The whole point of bringing in Jones was , I guess, to give him the opportunity to do what he has done in the lower leagues with higher quality players. Are we finding that the two aren’t compatible so the best we can hope for after a transfer window or two is that he has turned us into a good league 1 side ? Worrying times and very unrewarding times in terms of the viewing spectacle. We don’t know do we? We won’t know until he’s had a pre-season and a transfer window. I suppose not. In the meantime the slightest glimmer of improvement would be appreciated though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:21:21 GMT
I'm willing to give him the time until he gets his own side in. At present he's living on our previous managers appaling signings. What makes you think he will get his own players In? Couple of Luton players may be but the majority of that 18 today will still be here. They haven’t appointed this manager not to back him.
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2019 21:22:50 GMT
Alan Durban transformed a very similar situation to this and he did it almost instantly.
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Post by steewee on Feb 23, 2019 21:26:02 GMT
Jones is a massive sign of regression
From Pulis to Hughes to Lambert to RowOUT to Jones is so embarrassing... And shows our major fall from grace. Whoever took us on this journey of managers (I could understand Hughes, to a degree).. deserves sacking ASAP. And then kicked out of the city.
From Arnie to Shaq to Bojan to McLean to Ince to Williams to Vokes to Afobe... mental cakes.
We're well and truly extinguished fellas. Done and dusted. If we ever make it back to the prem, which I doubt, we'll be completely rebuilding from these rank awful players and likely to be yo yo-ing.
Nathan Jones... He's going to sign us a squad of North West county players at this rate.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:26:05 GMT
Alan Durban transformed a very similar situation to this and he did it almost instantly. 41 years ago with a completely different set of players.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 21:28:53 GMT
What makes you think he will get his own players In? Couple of Luton players may be but the majority of that 18 today will still be here. They haven’t appointed this manager not to back him. They may have appointed THIS manager so that they don't have to back him. Who knows. I'd be very surprised if there is major expenditure this summer. Unless we can get some of the high earners off the books and sell Butland and or Allen for serious money.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:33:52 GMT
They haven’t appointed this manager not to back him. They may have appointed THIS manager so that they don't have to back him. Who knows. I'd be very surprised if there is major expenditure this summer. Unless we can get some of the high earners off the books and sell Butland and or Allen for serious money. I don’t think that makes any sense. This is a manager who more than any other in recent times will need backing to the hilt. The very reasons that they’ve supposedly been impressed by him - the diamond, the discipline, the team building - demand that he’s given the backing to craft his own side. They’ve already let him spend £12m in January.
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Post by johnnypotter on Feb 23, 2019 21:41:56 GMT
We are getting indifferent results because the majority of the players NJ has for the rest of this season have frequently shown indifference for the club. We all want to win every week in an ideal world, but I put my disappointment to one side as I firmly believe next season will see the start of the rebirth of my beloved Stoke City. Once NJ brings in players who want to play for us, we will see a massive difference. The waiting is horrible, but the ends will justify the means.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 21:43:14 GMT
Work ethic Self belief System to suit players Team bonding Would do for start. None of that happens overnight. What system does suit these players? An experienced manager such as Moyes would have assessed the squad and got them playing to a system suited to their collective abilities. And for good measure given them a kick up the backside in the motivational stakes. Other than a genuine left back there is enough collective talent to at least show some sign of progress and improvement. These are not journeyman league one players but top notch proven championship players and ex Prem players. We've got about ten international players in the squad and first class training facilities. If this bloke has only got "The diamond" in his locker we are well and truly f****
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:45:55 GMT
None of that happens overnight. What system does suit these players? An experienced manager such as Moyes would have assessed the squad and got them playing to a system suited to their collective abilities. And for good measure given them a kick up the backside in the motivational stakes. Other than a genuine left back there is enough collective talent to at least show some sign of progress and improvement. These are not journeyman league one players but top notch proven championship players and ex Prem players. We've got about ten international players in the squad and first class training facilities. If this bloke has only got "The diamond" in his locker we are well and truly f**** Really? And which formation would that be, in your opinion? What system does this squad lend itself to? These internationals haven’t performed for four managers in a row now. He clearly doesn’t just have the diamond in his locker. He didn’t use that system today. The win over Leeds came via a 352.
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 23, 2019 21:46:07 GMT
None of that happens overnight. What system does suit these players? An experienced manager such as Moyes would have assessed the squad and got them playing to a system suited to their collective abilities. And for good measure given them a kick up the backside in the motivational stakes. Other than a genuine left back there is enough collective talent to at least show some sign of progress and improvement. These are not journeyman league one players but top notch proven championship players and ex Prem players. We've got about ten international players in the squad and first class training facilities. If this bloke has only got "The diamond" in his locker we are well and truly f**** Rowett failed and now Jones is struggling and you recon Moyes would have done better (ask Sunderland Fans what they recon)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 21:47:13 GMT
Our squad is completely unbalanced. I don’t know what anyone expects anymore. Yes we probably shouldn’t be as bad as we are but got 4 of the same midfielders to varying degrees of ability. A make shift left back. A very young right back whose trying his best. Two of the slowest CBs you could find. One winger who can only really run in a straight line and another that shows up for 5 minutes then goes missing for half an hour and no pace whatsoever up front.
In other teams where everything was a bit more balanced then maybe all of these players would be fine. But it’s clear they can’t play together.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 21:47:56 GMT
They may have appointed THIS manager so that they don't have to back him. Who knows. I'd be very surprised if there is major expenditure this summer. Unless we can get some of the high earners off the books and sell Butland and or Allen for serious money. I don’t think that makes any sense. This is a manager who more than any other in recent times will need backing to the hilt. The very reasons that they’ve supposedly been impressed by him - the diamond, the discipline, the team building - demand that he’s given the backing to craft his own side. They’ve already let him spend £12m in January. Well... only time will tell of course. If he's given 30 million in the summer and cleared out his unwanted players then he's a very lucky boy. Diamonds are Forever As Shirley Bassey stated.😁
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 21:50:49 GMT
An experienced manager such as Moyes would have assessed the squad and got them playing to a system suited to their collective abilities. And for good measure given them a kick up the backside in the motivational stakes. Other than a genuine left back there is enough collective talent to at least show some sign of progress and improvement. These are not journeyman league one players but top notch proven championship players and ex Prem players. We've got about ten international players in the squad and first class training facilities. If this bloke has only got "The diamond" in his locker we are well and truly f**** Really? And which formation would that be, in your opinion? What system does this squad lend itself to? These internationals haven’t performed for four managers in a row now. He clearly doesn’t just have the diamond in his locker. He didn’t use that system today. The win over Leeds came via a 352. Yes. 352 is my preferred system. Ask trickey 😁
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Post by 4evastoke on Feb 23, 2019 21:52:15 GMT
Just one question who else given his results would still be in a job. I hope I’m wrong but I think the bloke hasn’t got a clue.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 21:52:20 GMT
An experienced manager such as Moyes would have assessed the squad and got them playing to a system suited to their collective abilities. And for good measure given them a kick up the backside in the motivational stakes. Other than a genuine left back there is enough collective talent to at least show some sign of progress and improvement. These are not journeyman league one players but top notch proven championship players and ex Prem players. We've got about ten international players in the squad and first class training facilities. If this bloke has only got "The diamond" in his locker we are well and truly f**** Really? And which formation would that be, in your opinion? What system does this squad lend itself to? These internationals haven’t performed for four managers in a row now. He clearly doesn’t just have the diamond in his locker. He didn’t use that system today. The win over Leeds came via a 352. So whatyo are basically saying is that this squad is not suited to ANY system.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 21:55:45 GMT
Really? And which formation would that be, in your opinion? What system does this squad lend itself to? These internationals haven’t performed for four managers in a row now. He clearly doesn’t just have the diamond in his locker. He didn’t use that system today. The win over Leeds came via a 352. So whatyo are basically saying is that this squad is not suited to ANY system. That’s exactly what I’m saying, yes.
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Post by Waggy on Feb 23, 2019 22:00:18 GMT
My god
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 22:02:02 GMT
So whatyo are basically saying is that this squad is not suited to ANY system. That’s exactly what I’m saying, yes. So you are absolutely saying that no football manager or coach on this planet could get a tune out of the current twenty man squad given eight weeks of training and preparation.?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 22:06:23 GMT
That’s exactly what I’m saying, yes. So you are absolutely saying that no football manager or coach on this planet could get a tune out of the current twenty man squad given eight weeks of training and preparation.? No I’m not saying that. I’m saying the squad is hideously unbalanced and doesn’t obviously lend itself to any system. It would be a tough job to take on certainly, even for an experienced manager. There’s no quick fix.
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