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Post by Godo on Feb 23, 2019 18:39:37 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. Yes what was he thinking replacing the injured Vokes with a "striker" (!!??) who numerous posters on here have been calling for and then bringing on our £12million striker when in fact from the bench what he could have done is...…………………….?????????? Out of his depth perhaps but we collapsed as an offensive force when the striker HE signed went off injured and we managed to hold on for a draw ( 2 months ago we'd have lost today) thanks to the applciation and organisation of the centre back HE signed. This isn't Football Manager this is the real world where the manager has the squad and playing contracts he inherited. I await any sort of convincing argument regarding what else NJ could have done today that would have delivered anything but a point once Vokes went off.......................anyone would think this is the first time you have seen this group of players!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:40:32 GMT
Today has shown that there are no further genuine options in the squad as it is and the manager is just shifting deckchairs on the Titanic. Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles. Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals".
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 23, 2019 18:41:38 GMT
Dear Nathan
I am trying to be sensible and patient but could you please tell me what I am buying into?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:41:59 GMT
Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles. Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". Rowett spent £50m and had a full pre-season with the players.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 18:42:45 GMT
Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles. Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". Rowett was given £50m to spend and made things worse. A lot of the problems are his players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:43:45 GMT
Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". Rowett was given £50m to spend and made things worse. A lot of the problems are his players. He got a better tune out of all of them than Jones is doing. They weren't exactly ripping it up by any stretch but he did.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 23, 2019 18:45:09 GMT
Totally agree. Wank.
In fact I would say it is closer to 10,000% his fault. He should fuck of now.
Bring in a new manager. Tell him he has 6 games to turn this around both on the pitch and, more importantly, in the press conference. If he fails, we can sack him too and just keep going.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:46:42 GMT
Rowett was given £50m to spend and made things worse. A lot of the problems are his players. He got a better tune out of all of them than Jones is doing. They weren't exactly ripping it up by any stretch but he did. He had a full pre-season with them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 18:47:07 GMT
Rowett was given £50m to spend and made things worse. A lot of the problems are his players. He got a better tune out of all of them than Jones is doing. They weren't exactly ripping it up by any stretch but he did. Whoopy shit. Given he had 20-odd games and the biggest budget in the league to build his team, and succeeded only in bequeathing his successor an even bigger mess, excuse me if I don’t rush to write him a reference.
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Post by Godo on Feb 23, 2019 18:50:24 GMT
Not impressed, but the players look like they're already finished for the season. What disappointed me most of all is that we really had nothing to lose but we didn't look like we wanted to win the game. We just lack any athleticism, they only had to run at us and we were all at sea. It's something when an unfit Charlie Adams is the only creative spark in the side. Really?? I thought Etebo, Allen and McClean worked their balls off, Batth and BMI concentrated and looked resolute throughout, Butland made 2 great saves, Vokes was doing well prior to the injury …………..but as for the rest if it's any surprise that Diouf hasn't a football brain or very much technical ability, that Afobe is lazy, that Ince blows hot and cold, that Edwards is still learning the game and will have poorer performances and that the other options available to the manager belong in a donkey sanctuary then I wonder if you have been paying any attention over the last 2 seasons. Not sure what any of this has to do with the manager- apart from Vokes and Batth doing well and everyone else ( apart from the front 2 at the end) applying themselves to at least work hard for a point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:50:52 GMT
He got a better tune out of all of them than Jones is doing. They weren't exactly ripping it up by any stretch but he did. He had a full pre-season with them. Yes he did. I think people are misunderstanding the point of my original post here because I'm not defending Gary Rowett as such and I am willing to give Jones time because I've been saying all season that our squad is a mess. My point was that the hypocrisy on here is quite funny, well to me it is anyway.
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Post by s8to on Feb 23, 2019 18:52:16 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. Got to give him time, we’re going to be amazing in August 💪🏻 ... when we have yet another manager!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 18:52:34 GMT
He had a full pre-season with them. Yes he did. I think people are misunderstanding the point of my original post here because I'm not defending Gary Rowett as such and I am willing to give Jones time because I've been saying all season that our squad is a mess. My point was that the hypocrisy on here is quite funny, well to me it is anyway. It would be hypocrisy if the situations were anything like the same. But they’re not. So it isn’t.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 23, 2019 18:53:34 GMT
Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles. Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". Rowett was afforded all of his backroom staff, a full pre-season and £50million worth of new footballers. He was given every opportunity. We've spent 50 million quid on shit championship footballers. How the fuck has that happened? At least Jones appears he wants to be here, unlike that cunt.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 23, 2019 18:55:49 GMT
Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles. Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". As long as Jones doesn't start slagging the fans off he'll be alright. That was Rowetts mistake but i imagine the pay off he got covers some of his hurt feelings on the matter. Jones just needs to get through this season, mid table obscurity with a few more wins and then have a proper go in the summer to implement his changes. It's going to be a long journey - there isn't a shortcut because of the state we've got ourselves into.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:56:21 GMT
He got a better tune out of all of them than Jones is doing. They weren't exactly ripping it up by any stretch but he did. Whoopy shit. Given he had 20-odd games and the biggest budget in the league to build his team, and succeeded only in bequeathing his successor an even bigger mess, excuse me if I don’t rush to write him a reference. I'm not sure the squad is a bigger mess, don't get me wrong he hasn't particularly made it any stronger but the problems run a lot deeper than the players Rowett signed. Again I'm not necessarily defending Gary Rowett here, but it is true that for the time being we have got worse and there is a whiff of hypocrisy flying around on here, and surely we have to admit that we would all have hoped to have seen some green shoots of improvement by now however much we have to give Jones the time he needs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:57:33 GMT
Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". Rowett was afforded all of his backroom staff, a full pre-season and £50million worth of new footballers. He was given every opportunity. We've spent 50 million quid on shit championship footballers. How the fuck has that happened? At least Jones appears he wants to be here, unlike that cunt. At least three of the players he signed have proved only last season that your statement just isn't true.
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Post by dingdongbell on Feb 23, 2019 18:58:56 GMT
Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". Rowett spent £50m and had a full pre-season with the players..... Correct about Rowett, what I can’t get is that we can all see that these players aren’t as fit as their opponents , yet four managers have failed to get to grips with it , the stats don’t lie about the number of games that we have lost or drawn in the second half, maybe they rely on the wrong people to oversee this .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:59:19 GMT
Not too dissimilar to Rowett then, except he wasn't afforded any time whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rowett because he deserved the sack in the end, more for his outbursts in the media than the football, but I find it funny that, even though we've got worse under Jones, people are making the excuse that our squad is shit (Which it is), but Rowett wasn't afforded that, in fact when Rowett was manager it was more like.... "He can't get a tune out of a squad full of internationals". As long as Jones doesn't start slagging the fans off he'll be alright. That was Rowetts mistake but i imagine the pay off he got covers some of his hurt feelings on the matter. Jones just needs to get through this season, mid table obscurity with a few more wins and then have a proper go in the summer to implement his changes. It's going to be a long journey - there isn't a shortcut because of the state we've got ourselves into. Can you see where those "few more wins" are going to come from though? Cuz I'm struggling, I'll be honest.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 23, 2019 18:59:35 GMT
I actually thought he spoke ok after the game today😮2nd half passive although I’d have said dreadful.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 23, 2019 18:59:38 GMT
Sack everyone, all the time.
Just keep sacking people. Anyone, the manager, the kitman, the CEO, the 'technical director', the ballboys, just sack them all the minute they are not performing (which is generally about two minutes into their tenure if not before).
We could become Sack City FC and people will come from far and wide not to witness the football, but for the live sackings conducted on the pitch before the game and at half-time.
Sack! Sack! Sack!
(sack)
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 23, 2019 19:00:36 GMT
As long as Jones doesn't start slagging the fans off he'll be alright. That was Rowetts mistake but i imagine the pay off he got covers some of his hurt feelings on the matter. Jones just needs to get through this season, mid table obscurity with a few more wins and then have a proper go in the summer to implement his changes. It's going to be a long journey - there isn't a shortcut because of the state we've got ourselves into. Can you see where those "few more wins" are going to come from though? Cuz I'm struggling, I'll be honest. Not really but think we'll have some luck at some point and fluke 'em.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 19:04:17 GMT
Whoopy shit. Given he had 20-odd games and the biggest budget in the league to build his team, and succeeded only in bequeathing his successor an even bigger mess, excuse me if I don’t rush to write him a reference. I'm not sure the squad is a bigger mess, don't get me wrong he hasn't particularly made it any stronger but the problems run a lot deeper than the players Rowett signed. Again I'm not necessarily defending Gary Rowett here, but it is true that for the time being we have got worse and there is a whiff of hypocrisy flying around on here, and surely we have to admit that we would all have hoped to have seen some green shoots of improvement by now however much we have to give Jones the time he needs. Rowett: Had a full pre-season, £40m to spend, 20 odd games. Jones: Parachuted in mid-season, £12m to spend, about 8 games. If he had £40m to spend and didn’t make the squad any stronger, surely you can see what a damning indictment that is? He spent £30m alone on a new front three, none of whom are delivering. He spent £11m on midfield only to sign basically the same kind of midfielder we’d already got loads of. He used up one of his loans on a shit right back when we’d already got two. He completely eschewed pace and creativity despite us having none.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 23, 2019 19:04:32 GMT
We will return to this thread next season and either the Sheik will be proved to have wonderful insight or he and many others will eat an extra large portion of humble pie. I hope and actually expect it to be the latter but am sure those now pouring forth bile will try to re-write history. I'm more than happy to do that. At what point would you like me to bring this thread back, just to be clear?
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Post by dazzag99 on Feb 23, 2019 19:07:04 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. Give it a rest like a stuck fucking record
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 23, 2019 19:13:05 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. Yes what was he thinking replacing the injured Vokes with a "striker" (!!??) who numerous posters on here have been calling for and then bringing on our £12million striker when in fact from the bench what he could have done is...…………………….?????????? Out of his depth perhaps but we collapsed as an offensive force when the striker HE signed went off injured and we managed to hold on for a draw ( 2 months ago we'd have lost today) thanks to the applciation and organisation of the centre back HE signed. This isn't Football Manager this is the real world where the manager has the squad and playing contracts he inherited. I await any sort of convincing argument regarding what else NJ could have done today that would have delivered anything but a point once Vokes went off.......................anyone would think this is the first time you have seen this group of players!! This is pretty much where I’m at. It’s not pretty at the moment but let’s see how we are doing at Christmas. I’ve been impressed with Batth and I reckon with a few more of his own signings, more deadwood set adrift and a preseason behind him we’ll see a decent team and playing style.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2019 19:14:43 GMT
In my opinion both Rowett and Jones are and were out of their depth. Particularly at the management of big egos and personalities in the dressing room.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 23, 2019 19:18:41 GMT
Totally agree. Wank. In fact I would say it is closer to 10,000% his fault. He should fuck of now. Bring in a new manager. Tell him he has 6 games to turn this around both on the pitch and, more importantly, in the press conference. If he fails, we can sack him too and just keep going. Even better give us fans a go, you stay manager until you lose one!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 19:21:40 GMT
I'm not sure the squad is a bigger mess, don't get me wrong he hasn't particularly made it any stronger but the problems run a lot deeper than the players Rowett signed. Again I'm not necessarily defending Gary Rowett here, but it is true that for the time being we have got worse and there is a whiff of hypocrisy flying around on here, and surely we have to admit that we would all have hoped to have seen some green shoots of improvement by now however much we have to give Jones the time he needs. Rowett: Had a full pre-season, £40m to spend, 20 odd games. Jones: Parachuted in mid-season, £12m to spend, about 8 games. If he had £40m to spend and didn’t make the squad any stronger, surely you can see what a damning indictment that is? He spent £30m alone on a new front three, none of whom are delivering. He spent £11m on midfield only to sign basically the same kind of midfielder we’d already got loads of. He used up one of his loans on a shit right back when we’d already got two. He completely eschewed pace and creativity despite us having none. We're going off on a tangent here, because I've already stated that I'm not particularly defending Gary Rowett, I was just pointing out that Jones is getting off completely scott free when he hasn't improved us one bit, whereas Rowett was never afforded that luxury by the same folk. It's a fact that earlier in the season many people were slagging Rowett off for not having us in the promotion race because apparently we have got a squad full of internationals, but those very same people are now saying that our squad is shit and that Jones is doing the best he can with the crap at his disposal. Personally I don't think he is doing very well, but that doesn't mean I don't want him to get the time he needs. Basically, he isn't above criticism even though he is only just starting out on his managerial journey with us, but it seems he is by a large percentage of people who were quick to write Rowett off. That is hypocrisy in my book.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2019 19:23:57 GMT
Rowett: Had a full pre-season, £40m to spend, 20 odd games. Jones: Parachuted in mid-season, £12m to spend, about 8 games. If he had £40m to spend and didn’t make the squad any stronger, surely you can see what a damning indictment that is? He spent £30m alone on a new front three, none of whom are delivering. He spent £11m on midfield only to sign basically the same kind of midfielder we’d already got loads of. He used up one of his loans on a shit right back when we’d already got two. He completely eschewed pace and creativity despite us having none. We're going off on a tangent here, because I've already stated that I'm not particularly defending Gary Rowett, I was just pointing out that Jones is getting off completely scott free when he hasn't improved us one bit, whereas Rowett was never afforded that luxury by the same folk. It's a fact that earlier in the season many people were slagging Rowett off for not having us in the promotion race because apparently we have got a squad full of internationals, but those very same people are now saying that our squad is shit and that Jones is doing the best he can with the crap at his disposal. Personally I don't think he is doing very well, but that doesn't mean I don't want him to get the time he needs. Basically, he isn't above criticism even though he is only just starting out on his managerial journey with us, but it seems he is by a large percentage of people who were quick to write Rowett off. That is hypocrisy in my book. I don’t think we are going off on a tangent, as I’m pointing out how the situations aren’t the same. Jones isn’t above criticism but he can’t really be compared to Rowett because Rowett had more time and resources and Jones has inherited not just the problems Rowett did but a bunch more that Rowett created.
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