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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 23, 2019 17:38:36 GMT
Give him the tools he needs and we’ll do well.
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Post by FrankButcher on Feb 23, 2019 17:42:05 GMT
1 win in 8. Spin it whichever way you want pal. 👍
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Post by chad on Feb 23, 2019 17:42:24 GMT
Getting more dissolutioned every 90 minutes
I’m desperate to see some signs of progress but so far there isn’t any
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 23, 2019 17:42:48 GMT
What exactly are you basing that on? Have you watched any of the games since he's taken over? You can't judge him yet. He's having to play with a bunch of gary rowett signings all of whom are fucking shit There are mitigating circumstances with a horrifically unbalanced, paceless squad and some bad apples in the dressing room. Low confidence too. But the thing that's worrying me and a lot of others are things like some of his baffling substitutions. Shawcross on last week which played a big part in their late equaliser. The bafflingly negative substitution today bringing Williams on for Adam. That's not all down to our squad and what he's inherited, these are his decisions and they're bad ones and overly negative. And there's no distinct evidence that there's any kind of evolution or improvement, we're actually looking worse than in the first half of the season. As others have said, my worry is that we're going to finish this season so badly that Jones is going to already be on his last legs going into the big summer rebuild. And if his rebuild doesn't instantly click at the start of next season his position could quickly become untenable and we could be looking for another new manager in late September-October. He needs to build some momentum and build it quickly.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 23, 2019 17:43:20 GMT
Give him the tools he needs and we’ll do well. There was £50m of players on the books before Rowett added his shit to it. Does anyone really think we can afford to ditch the majority of the squad in the summer?
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Post by Davef on Feb 23, 2019 17:43:45 GMT
Give him the tools he needs and we’ll do well. There's no shortage of tools in that team.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 23, 2019 17:43:57 GMT
Not impressed, but the players look like they're already finished for the season. What disappointed me most of all is that we really had nothing to lose but we didn't look like we wanted to win the game. We just lack any athleticism, they only had to run at us and we were all at sea. It's something when an unfit Charlie Adams is the only creative spark in the side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 17:45:57 GMT
Today has shown that there are no further genuine options in the squad as it is and the manager is just shifting deckchairs on the Titanic.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 23, 2019 17:46:10 GMT
Give him the tools he needs and we’ll do well. Do you think that though? I reckon, like Rowett, he’s come here thinking the squad we’ve got was good enough to be challenging with a few tweaks. The one thing the board have done is back the managers which you can’t complain about but I’m fairly certain they didn’t think Jones would come in and still have to demand another 7 or 8 players to play “his way”, I think they believed he could get a tune out of the current squad. If we now think Jones needs half a squad (and I’m not saying we don’t need a major rebuild) then I’m guessing that’s different than the discussions he will have had before taking over. The management probably thought the tools were already there but Rowett was making a shit of it. I don’t see why footballers cannot play football sometimes. There’s so much over complication that goes on with systems and tactics. Just play at a decent tempo, attack with pace and defend properly. He shouldn’t need some Luton Town players to sign before showing what his preferred style is all about.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 23, 2019 17:46:18 GMT
I think we are treading water. We have to suck the mop and get rid of a lot of these so called players and let Jones assemble his side with blokes who buy into his ideas and not just give it the big I am.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 23, 2019 17:48:29 GMT
The old phrase "Can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear" comes to mind. We need a huge rid out in summer, forget problems of brining in too many new players, we are way beyond that.Still have faith in Jones, don't think any manager can succeed with this lot.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 23, 2019 17:48:57 GMT
I’m not going to sit here and say he’ll get us promoted, but I think until the Summer business he is in for a tough ride with this shitshow of a squad. It doesn’t matter what tactics you play, if your players quite literally cannot pass 5 yards in any direction, you’re not going anywhere.
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Post by Northy on Feb 23, 2019 17:52:18 GMT
I know improvement is measured by more than just goals scored but I thought he was a risk taker, more of the “If you score 2, we’ll score 3” school. I’m surprised at just how boring it all is. For all his excitement and geeing up, it’s all very flat and ,well, shit. I was expecting a bit of excitement, something different than the negative dross. This squad might have flaws and big ones but I don’t see why we can’t at least be a bit more expansive. I’m not seeing anything close to the “exciting, bold” appointment some promised. Fair enough this summer might be where he can really start building the squad he wants but I’m yet to see anything positive he’s bought in terms of style, tactics or adaptability. It’s been fucking rubbish. Maybe most of the defence, midfield and forwards are so shit he can't be expansive
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 17:54:54 GMT
Today has shown that there are no further genuine options in the squad as it is and the manager is just shifting deckchairs on the Titanic. Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 23, 2019 17:56:50 GMT
I know improvement is measured by more than just goals scored but I thought he was a risk taker, more of the “If you score 2, we’ll score 3” school. I’m surprised at just how boring it all is. For all his excitement and geeing up, it’s all very flat and ,well, shit. I was expecting a bit of excitement, something different than the negative dross. This squad might have flaws and big ones but I don’t see why we can’t at least be a bit more expansive. I’m not seeing anything close to the “exciting, bold” appointment some promised. Fair enough this summer might be where he can really start building the squad he wants but I’m yet to see anything positive he’s bought in terms of style, tactics or adaptability. It’s been fucking rubbish. Maybe most of the defence, midfield and forwards are so shit he can't be expansive Other sides with worse squads than ours manage to at least make football watchable. There is no way this squad is the 17th worst in this division or that it should be playing such dull, uninspiring rubbish.
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Post by mrred on Feb 23, 2019 17:58:40 GMT
Threw the game with his subs. Completely bottled it.
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Post by SCFC92 on Feb 23, 2019 17:59:25 GMT
I think some of the fans as much as some of the players need weeding out!
He's here for the long haul. Get used to it!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 23, 2019 18:01:57 GMT
Today has shown that there are no further genuine options in the squad as it is and the manager is just shifting deckchairs on the Titanic. Yet people can’t see that and are expecting him to perform miracles. Nobody is expecting miracles. All people want is a game of football that doesn't bore you shitless, some signs of improvement, tactics that look like they are working. After 8 games there isn't one slight improvement in any department.
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Post by scfc5 on Feb 23, 2019 18:07:38 GMT
I do wonder what those complaining about his subs expect him to do to change the game. He’s abandoned his diamond to go 451 or 4141 or even 4231 at times to make us more solid. Normally you would take the wide men off to make a change but we have absolutely no options to replace McClean or Ince out wide.
Adam was knackered. He was taking in an energy supplement from the bench not long before he went off. We were being overrun and he wanted to strengthen us by moving BMI to left-back and Clucas’ legs into midfield.
It stopped Villa’s momentum. It got us a point. It isn’t pretty and I want more but with the options he has, I’m not sure what people are expecting.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 23, 2019 18:08:22 GMT
The cheap option has cost us.
We should have gone for a manager who had a clue what he was doing.
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Post by cdlstoke on Feb 23, 2019 18:10:49 GMT
I think some of the fans as much as some of the players need weeding out! He's here for the long haul. Get used to it! Remember some saying the same about Rowett.😂😂
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 23, 2019 18:11:12 GMT
The cheap option has cost us. We should have gone for a manager who had a clue what he was doing. There are only a handful of managers, all of which are a million miles out of our league, that would stand any chance of getting an ounce of respect from these players.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 23, 2019 18:15:02 GMT
I do wonder what those complaining about his subs expect him to do to change the game. He’s abandoned his diamond to go 451 or 4141 or even 4231 at times to make us more solid. Normally you would take the wide men off to make a change but we have absolutely no options to replace McClean or Ince out wide. Adam was knackered. He was taking in an energy supplement from the bench not long before he went off. We were being overrun and he wanted to strengthen us by moving BMI to left-back and Clucas’ legs into midfield. It stopped Villa’s momentum. It got us a point. It isn’t pretty and I want more but with the options he has, I’m not sure what people are expecting. I agree with the options he had it was a sensible substitution as we needed more legs in midfield and Clucas gave us that.
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 23, 2019 18:23:48 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. This is the ranting of a spoiled child who is not getting his own way!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 23, 2019 18:24:25 GMT
Yes, let's get rid of Jones and bring our fifth manager in 12 months.
Then maybe sack him before the end of the season and bring in the sixth.
Maybe a seventh before the start of the 2019/20
All those people screaming and shouting for Mark Hughes to go...
Have things honestly gotten any better?
Have we really got any better since he left?
No..we're actually worse.
All the moaning and whining and spitting the dummy out..all the bile and vicious criticism from some posters on here..
WHAT has it actually achieved?
We've gone backwards not forwards.
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Post by prettything on Feb 23, 2019 18:31:55 GMT
Another charlatan of a manager. He has absolutely no idea what he's doing. It's clear the players don't know what he's trying to do either. Is there any point where we realise our predicament? How many managers have we been through in two years? No matter what he did at Luton, he’s out of his depth? Really? He needs three transfer windows to turn this around. Out of his depth, just like his predecessors? Come on!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 23, 2019 18:34:47 GMT
We can't keep sacking managers, absolutely agree. Despite our obvious weaknesses, today though was a managerial disasterclass. Fucking horrific.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:36:01 GMT
What exactly are you basing that on? Have you watched any of the games since he's taken over? You can't judge him yet. He's having to play with a bunch of gary rowett signings all of whom are fucking shit If that's the case I don't really understand why we didn't keep Rowett (whom I detest) till the final day of the season, and then appointed Jones the next day. Rowett could have continued his 3 wins, 3 draws out of 9 played and his boring football. We'd have been further up the table, morale would have been better, and Jones could have started out in June with a clean slate, and as many of his new signings as possible. Instead he's made himself look like a clueless clown, with players who don't trust him and don't know he wants them to do. Even if he manages to get rid of 6-8 players, and bring in as many, he's still going to start the season with as many as 15-18 players who can't wait for a new manager to come in. They may even start to lose games just to get rid of him.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 23, 2019 18:36:53 GMT
We will return to this thread next season and either the Sheik will be proved to have wonderful insight or he and many others will eat an extra large portion of humble pie. I hope and actually expect it to be the latter but am sure those now pouring forth bile will try to re-write history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:39:24 GMT
I do wonder what those complaining about his subs expect him to do to change the game. He’s abandoned his diamond to go 451 or 4141 or even 4231 at times to make us more solid. Normally you would take the wide men off to make a change but we have absolutely no options to replace McClean or Ince out wide. Adam was knackered. He was taking in an energy supplement from the bench not long before he went off. We were being overrun and he wanted to strengthen us by moving BMI to left-back and Clucas’ legs into midfield. It stopped Villa’s momentum. It got us a point. It isn’t pretty and I want more but with the options he has, I’m not sure what people are expecting. Improvement?
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