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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 22, 2019 13:25:24 GMT
I would imagine Jamo’s tweet sums up a lot of favs feelings on this matter I was looking back at a few threads from the back end of the 2013/13 season earlier. One thread lamented the loss of Delap, Higginbotham and Diao, claiming that Pulis had lost the dressing room. This was during the week when we'd just lost at home to Villa and were about to lose to Man Utd. Messrs. Huth, Whelan, Walters and Wilkinson (as well as Shawcross and Nzonzi) were in the team that day. Carry on... loss of that game or not Dave I know which set of players most fans would have don’t you
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 13:27:03 GMT
Yep, advice Mr Lawrence might do well to heed himself... I don't disagree and when I first saw this yesterday, my first thoughts were about the hotel "spit roasting" incident already mentioned in this thread. People in glass houses and all that. There has to be some truth in what he's saying though, surely? How else do you explain the complete loss of any kind of form of these players, because regardless of what I've just said they aren't wank footballers at this level at all. Take Rowetts signings for instance, bar Williams and Martina, they've all had recent success in this league and now they look like they've never kicked a ball before. There simply has to be a divide in the dressing room because they don't play as a team/unit and aren't putting in the hard yards for each other, never mind SCFC, and all this under two managers this season. There's clearly a problem, I'm not sure quite how it's manifesting itself, but there's clearly a problem. It was Lawrence's hypocrisy and the rush of some people to take the word of people like him and Pejic as Gospel that irks me. I can't make my mind up about whether the bulk of them are wasters or just weak. On the field we are absolutely brimming with hiders and cowardice, that's for sure.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 22, 2019 13:40:59 GMT
Liam's anecdotes about his big buddy Glenn just proves the fact that his dressing was probably no different other than they had a player willing to call others out. The fact that he had to call others out suggests that they had their fair share of jokers / bad boys / dissenters too. The other main difference is that they were a team on the up whereas this one is on the way down. Obviously fingers are going to be pointed at players behaviour that would probably be ignored in a winning team.
Charlie's comments suggest Liam has nothing to back up anything that we do not already know. Just another ex-footballer trying to make a living by clinging to the one club where he had some moderate success.
The Rowett sympathisers can fuck right off as well - if true, he was bought in and paid handsomely to sort that shit out, and failed miserably while making things worse. Get to fuck.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 13:51:56 GMT
Of course Charlie's comments could mean they all get on handsomely. Ill disciplined, piss taking brothers in arms!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 22, 2019 13:55:37 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/live-stoke-city-season-tickets-2571611Dressing room?I really would like to focus on the work we do, the positivity. There have been certain issues, minor ones, around certain parts of the first team hence not getting results squad deserves. There are no fundamental problems and it detracts from the work I am trying to do. I think the quote has been putting out fires. Every manager, to a certain extent, have to put out a relative fire about minor issues around 27 testosterone filled footballers. Anything that’s happened in the past has happened in the past and now we are focused on getting results.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 22, 2019 13:57:42 GMT
Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, we've been exposed for the rudderless ship we truly are.
Fucking cesspit from the very top down.
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Post by greyman on Feb 22, 2019 13:58:30 GMT
Remember. It's only what you say happened. The truth is different. This is just like that time you were cheering on in the away end the day we were relegated. Is this how it works? I was in the away end at Layer Road cheering on my team. You were in Belgium crawling up a non entity fat mans anus cheering on his meat coated colon! No I wasn't. You're going to have to try a lot harder than this.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 22, 2019 14:14:20 GMT
He's one of the one's throwing the shit around, he's just too gutless to come out and fully explain what he's getting at.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 14:27:15 GMT
I was in the away end at Layer Road cheering on my team. You were in Belgium crawling up a non entity fat mans anus cheering on his meat coated colon! No I wasn't. You're going to have to try a lot harder than this. Sorry my mistake. This says some mad Stoke fans went to see him not a load of hate the manager more than they love Stoke merchants. Must have been another group of saddos who went www.andrewpointon.com/tag/fcv-denderBy some strange twist of fate this weekend Leeds United play Belgian side FCV Dender in a pre-season friendly. Leeds were due to play Lokeren but they pulled out and Dender stepped in. Why should this interest me? FCV Dender are managed by former Stoke City manager Johan Boskamp. In April a collection of mad Stokies went to Brussels for a weekend of drink, culture and football. The football element was listening via webcast to Stoke City’s big game which might have led to promotion, and a trip to FCV Dender to see them play in an equally big match. Their win that evening secured another season in the Belgian top flight against all the odds and to defy all the “experts”. After that game we met Johan and were treated to hospitality in the players’ lounge. Unfortunately it was brief meeting and one arranged for the next day never materialised. Today on a whim I thought I might try to met up with “Bossie” again, cursing myself for not sorting something sooner. An email to FCV Dender brought nowt. A call to Leeds Utd was equally useless. So I thought I’d be cheeky and text Johan a “welcome to Leeds message”, never expecting a reply. Much to my amazement Johan rang me back very shortly to say they had just arrived at the hotel and I was welcome to meet up before or after the game. By chance the hotel is outside the city centre and only five minutes walk from my work place. It was lunchtime, and working on the premise that “shy bairns get nowt” I set off with my camera to see if I could speak to the Boss Man. I found him eating lunch. Rather than being annoyed by the interruption he invited me to sit down and join him and the team. I spent a very amusing fifty minutes with him before I had to return to work. I’ve been invited to bring some other Leeds Stokies over to see him later today or tomorrow. For all other Stokies Johan has a message for you (below). Top guy, the Boss. Approachable, friendly, funny and by his own admission, totally crazy! A very memorable afternoon. Thanks Johan.
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Post by werrington on Feb 22, 2019 14:27:54 GMT
So why hasn’t Lawrence come out and named names then?....he’s now carving a career in the media so surely it’s “ a scoop “ All this not naming to let Jones get on with his job is utter bollocks as what he’s actually done is caused people to openly start gossiping and question players who could well be innocent of anything He’s actually made it worse I would have hoped by now that the club would have told James McClean in no uncertain terms to never give any opinion on social media regarding SCFC, but because he has verbal diarrhoea he just can't help himself. Useless, expensive clowns like him and Saido, who think they're something special, are the reason we're in the mess we are now You haven’t answred the question though
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Post by stantheman on Feb 22, 2019 15:19:23 GMT
I would have hoped by now that the club would have told James McClean in no uncertain terms to never give any opinion on social media regarding SCFC, but because he has verbal diarrhoea he just can't help himself. Useless, expensive clowns like him and Saido, who think they're something special, are the reason we're in the mess we are now You haven’t answred the question though The question - why hasn't he named players? He doesn't need to with the likes of the complete and utter tossers like Saido and Jimmy in the Squad. Players who create controvosy wherever they go, and who we would struggle to give away.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 15:34:59 GMT
You haven’t answred the question though The question - why hasn't he named players? He doesn't need to with the likes of the complete and utter tossers like Saido and Jimmy in the Squad. Players who create controvosy wherever they go, and who we would struggle to give away. McClean doesn't necessarily seem to be a bad apple though does he? He's only a contributor to our problems in so far as he's a bang average footballer. He seems well liked in the squad and will at least put a shift in, even if that isn't actually counting for a whole lot in the great scheme of things.
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Post by greyman on Feb 22, 2019 15:37:43 GMT
No I wasn't. You're going to have to try a lot harder than this. Sorry my mistake. Apology accepted. I don't know why you say you were at Layer Road. You weren't even a Stoke fan back then as you've admitted yourself.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 15:40:19 GMT
Apology accepted. I don't know why you say you were at Layer Road. You weren't even a Stoke fan back then as you've admitted yourself.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 22, 2019 15:43:06 GMT
Don't think Mccleans comments should go against him. They've probably taken it massively offensive- especially if it is largely untrue, and he's trying to show a bit of togetherness.
They are shite on the pitch though- that one can't be argued with.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 22, 2019 15:47:36 GMT
Remember. It's only what you say happened. The truth is different. This is just like that time you were cheering on in the away end the day we were relegated. Is this how it works? I was in the away end at Layer Road cheering on my team. You were in Belgium crawling up a non entity fat mans anus cheering on his meat coated colon! great quote from my favorite movie - My Cousin Vinny "do you two know each other?"
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Post by werrington on Feb 22, 2019 15:52:18 GMT
You haven’t answred the question though The question - why hasn't he named players? He doesn't need to with the likes of the complete and utter tossers like Saido and Jimmy in the Squad. Players who create controvosy wherever they go, and who we would struggle to give away. Maclean is always the easy lazy target I’ll await the Lawrence scoop but I reckon he’d wished he’d kept his mouth shut with his clever story ....if he doesn’t come clean and back it up with names he’s a non entity journo
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 22, 2019 16:01:23 GMT
I'm not on twitter but can sonefody who is ask him if he always gets his meat for his Sunday roast from Wayne Walker or does he get it from other sources.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 22, 2019 16:14:19 GMT
No I wasn't. You're going to have to try a lot harder than this. Sorry my mistake. This says some mad Stoke fans went to see him not a load of hate the manager more than they love Stoke merchants. Must have been another group of saddos who went www.andrewpointon.com/tag/fcv-denderBy some strange twist of fate this weekend Leeds United play Belgian side FCV Dender in a pre-season friendly. Leeds were due to play Lokeren but they pulled out and Dender stepped in. Why should this interest me? FCV Dender are managed by former Stoke City manager Johan Boskamp. In April a collection of mad Stokies went to Brussels for a weekend of drink, culture and football. The football element was listening via webcast to Stoke City’s big game which might have led to promotion, and a trip to FCV Dender to see them play in an equally big match. Their win that evening secured another season in the Belgian top flight against all the odds and to defy all the “experts”. After that game we met Johan and were treated to hospitality in the players’ lounge. Unfortunately it was brief meeting and one arranged for the next day never materialised. Today on a whim I thought I might try to met up with “Bossie” again, cursing myself for not sorting something sooner. An email to FCV Dender brought nowt. A call to Leeds Utd was equally useless. So I thought I’d be cheeky and text Johan a “welcome to Leeds message”, never expecting a reply. Much to my amazement Johan rang me back very shortly to say they had just arrived at the hotel and I was welcome to meet up before or after the game. By chance the hotel is outside the city centre and only five minutes walk from my work place. It was lunchtime, and working on the premise that “shy bairns get nowt” I set off with my camera to see if I could speak to the Boss Man. I found him eating lunch. Rather than being annoyed by the interruption he invited me to sit down and join him and the team. I spent a very amusing fifty minutes with him before I had to return to work. I’ve been invited to bring some other Leeds Stokies over to see him later today or tomorrow. For all other Stokies Johan has a message for you (below). Top guy, the Boss. Approachable, friendly, funny and by his own admission, totally crazy! A very memorable afternoon. Thanks Johan. Things have taken a surreal and weird Twin Peaksesque turn.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 22, 2019 16:17:56 GMT
Sorry my mistake. This says some mad Stoke fans went to see him not a load of hate the manager more than they love Stoke merchants. Must have been another group of saddos who went www.andrewpointon.com/tag/fcv-denderBy some strange twist of fate this weekend Leeds United play Belgian side FCV Dender in a pre-season friendly. Leeds were due to play Lokeren but they pulled out and Dender stepped in. Why should this interest me? FCV Dender are managed by former Stoke City manager Johan Boskamp. In April a collection of mad Stokies went to Brussels for a weekend of drink, culture and football. The football element was listening via webcast to Stoke City’s big game which might have led to promotion, and a trip to FCV Dender to see them play in an equally big match. Their win that evening secured another season in the Belgian top flight against all the odds and to defy all the “experts”. After that game we met Johan and were treated to hospitality in the players’ lounge. Unfortunately it was brief meeting and one arranged for the next day never materialised. Today on a whim I thought I might try to met up with “Bossie” again, cursing myself for not sorting something sooner. An email to FCV Dender brought nowt. A call to Leeds Utd was equally useless. So I thought I’d be cheeky and text Johan a “welcome to Leeds message”, never expecting a reply. Much to my amazement Johan rang me back very shortly to say they had just arrived at the hotel and I was welcome to meet up before or after the game. By chance the hotel is outside the city centre and only five minutes walk from my work place. It was lunchtime, and working on the premise that “shy bairns get nowt” I set off with my camera to see if I could speak to the Boss Man. I found him eating lunch. Rather than being annoyed by the interruption he invited me to sit down and join him and the team. I spent a very amusing fifty minutes with him before I had to return to work. I’ve been invited to bring some other Leeds Stokies over to see him later today or tomorrow. For all other Stokies Johan has a message for you (below). Top guy, the Boss. Approachable, friendly, funny and by his own admission, totally crazy! A very memorable afternoon. Thanks Johan. Things have taken a surreal and weird Twin Peaksesque turn. More like watching Statler and Waldorf. Or maybe 'History Today'. "See that fat Dutch manager? That's your mum that is."
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 22, 2019 16:22:26 GMT
Things have taken a surreal and weird Twin Peaksesque turn. More like watching Statler and Waldorf. Or maybe 'History Today'. "See that fat Dutch manager? That's your mum that is." Waldorf: Wake up you dummy, you slept through the show! Statler: your the dummy, you watched it! Doh Ho Ho Ho Ho! Could apply to most recent Stoke shows 🤣
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Post by elystokie on Feb 22, 2019 16:24:28 GMT
Fair enough. Who do you think is the problem then, out of interest? I have no idea who but as I said about Shawcross who are today's role models? I love Crouch and think he is probably great to be around but let us take a known trouble maker - Berahino. He comes to the club as a 23 year old who has never really had a strong male role model I suspect. At the club is a very sensible staid club captain and a 35 year old icon who has played centre forward for England. Crouch goes out clubbing, is regularly pictured in the Daily Mail the worse for drink, posts pictures of his wife on exotic holidays. Which example do you think Berahino wants to emulate? And before you say it I have no problem at all with Crouch, he was great for the club, never let his social life interfere with his football and earned the right over a long career to spend his money how he chooses. He in no way is to blame for Berahino. But perhaps the lack of characters people talk about are off the pitch as well as on it. Perhaps Lawrence didn't go the way of Berahino because he was surrounded at Stoke by strong characters. It's interesting that he went off the rails when Beattie came in. It's my opinion that clubs need good characters off the pitch and Stoke seriously lack them leading to most players acting like teenage boys. I have a ridiculous conspiracy theory that is totally unlikely but I do sometimes wonder whether a dressing room could enjoy seeing how quickly they could break a manager and get him the sack. No real main culprits but a bunch of immature males having a laugh. Rowett got himself the sack.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 22, 2019 16:43:37 GMT
The question - why hasn't he named players? He doesn't need to with the likes of the complete and utter tossers like Saido and Jimmy in the Squad. Players who create controvosy wherever they go, and who we would struggle to give away. McClean doesn't necessarily seem to be a bad apple though does he? He's only a contributor to our problems in so far as he's a bang average footballer. He seems well liked in the squad and will at least put a shift in, even if that isn't actually counting for a whole lot in the great scheme of things. Well liked in the squad ? and if he is he is not well liked by a good many Stoke City supporters those people that pay his wages.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 22, 2019 16:44:09 GMT
You haven’t answred the question though The question - why hasn't he named players? He doesn't need to with the likes of the complete and utter tossers like Saido and Jimmy in the Squad. Players who create controvosy wherever they go, and who we would struggle to give away. He does need to, other wise he's just stirring shit up when the club could do with out, if he wants things to change and his comments were meant to put pressure on for change then names need to be mentioned, other wise he needs to say nothing, the whole "I got asked the question" bollocks doesn't wash, he can choose not to say it, its not like he has an obligation to answer anything.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 22, 2019 16:45:28 GMT
McClean doesn't necessarily seem to be a bad apple though does he? He's only a contributor to our problems in so far as he's a bang average footballer. He seems well liked in the squad and will at least put a shift in, even if that isn't actually counting for a whole lot in the great scheme of things. Well liked in the squad ? and if he is he is not well liked by a good many Stoke City supporters those people that pay his wages. You think think the Stoke fans pay his wages?!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 16:49:18 GMT
McClean doesn't necessarily seem to be a bad apple though does he? He's only a contributor to our problems in so far as he's a bang average footballer. He seems well liked in the squad and will at least put a shift in, even if that isn't actually counting for a whole lot in the great scheme of things. Well liked in the squad ? and if he is he is not well liked by a good many Stoke City supporters those people that pay his wages. By some Stoke supporters. And it's not really here nor there is it? How many players have been not rated by fans but valued by managers over the past 150-odd years?
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Post by cheadlestokie on Feb 22, 2019 16:52:25 GMT
Look this is really a non-story.
Lawrence has not seen anything himself and received the info second hand at best.
He really should have kept his mouth shut on this subject whether what he was told is right or not.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 22, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
Apology accepted. I don't know why you say you were at Layer Road. You weren't even a Stoke fan back then as you've admitted yourself. Top man Boskamp is... I watch him most evenings over here as a pundit on Dutch football shows
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 22, 2019 17:10:51 GMT
Look this is really a non-story. Lawrence has not seen anything himself and received the info second hand at best. He really should have kept his mouth shut on this subject whether what he was told is right or not. To be fair, a journalist asks a question, you answer it, not always knowing exactly what bits will get used and what the angle will be. From NJ’s comments today, Bojan has made the same mistake - journo asks, you respond in the moment. I’ve been interviewed a few times on radio and tv and frankly stuff comes out of your mouth before your brain fully engages because you are under pressure to just say something. You then have no control over how that information is then used.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 22, 2019 17:14:43 GMT
The question - why hasn't he named players? He doesn't need to with the likes of the complete and utter tossers like Saido and Jimmy in the Squad. Players who create controvosy wherever they go, and who we would struggle to give away. Maclean is always the easy lazy target I’ll await the Lawrence scoop but I reckon he’d wished he’d kept his mouth shut with his clever story ....if he doesn’t come clean and back it up with names he’s a non entity journo Easy, lazy target? Or shite player, who thrives on controvosy and has been an expensive flop?
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