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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 10:51:42 GMT
Fair enough. Who do you think is the problem then, out of interest? I have no idea who but as I said about Shawcross who are today's role models? I love Crouch and think he is probably great to be around but let us take a known trouble maker - Berahino. He comes to the club as a 23 year old who has never really had a strong male role model I suspect. At the club is a very sensible staid club captain and a 35 year old icon who has played centre forward for England. Crouch goes out clubbing, is regularly pictured in the Daily Mail the worse for drink, posts pictures of his wife on exotic holidays. Which example do you think Berahino wants to emulate? And before you say it I have no problem at all with Crouch, he was great for the club, never let his social life interfere with his football and earned the right over a long career to spend his money how he chooses. He in no way is to blame for Berahino. But perhaps the lack of characters people talk about are off the pitch as well as on it. Perhaps Lawrence didn't go the way of Berahino because he was surrounded at Stoke by strong characters. It's interesting that he went off the rails when Beattie came in. It's my opinion that clubs need good characters off the pitch and Stoke seriously lack them leading to most players acting like teenage boys. I have a ridiculous conspiracy theory that is totally unlikely but I do sometimes wonder whether a dressing room could enjoy seeing how quickly they could break a manager and get him the sack. No real main culprits but a bunch of immature males having a laugh. Are we saying having the odd night out and enjoying an exotic holiday are character defects now? Annoying the Daily Mail seems like a positive attribute to me...
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 22, 2019 10:55:37 GMT
I have no idea who but as I said about Shawcross who are today's role models? I love Crouch and think he is probably great to be around but let us take a known trouble maker - Berahino. He comes to the club as a 23 year old who has never really had a strong male role model I suspect. At the club is a very sensible staid club captain and a 35 year old icon who has played centre forward for England. Crouch goes out clubbing, is regularly pictured in the Daily Mail the worse for drink, posts pictures of his wife on exotic holidays. Which example do you think Berahino wants to emulate? And before you say it I have no problem at all with Crouch, he was great for the club, never let his social life interfere with his football and earned the right over a long career to spend his money how he chooses. He in no way is to blame for Berahino. But perhaps the lack of characters people talk about are off the pitch as well as on it. Perhaps Lawrence didn't go the way of Berahino because he was surrounded at Stoke by strong characters. It's interesting that he went off the rails when Beattie came in. It's my opinion that clubs need good characters off the pitch and Stoke seriously lack them leading to most players acting like teenage boys. I have a ridiculous conspiracy theory that is totally unlikely but I do sometimes wonder whether a dressing room could enjoy seeing how quickly they could break a manager and get him the sack. No real main culprits but a bunch of immature males having a laugh. Are we saying having the odd night out and enjoying an exotic holiday are character defects now? Annoying the Daily Mail seems like a positive attribute to me... Did you read all my post? I said Crouch has every right to do what he wants and I think he is a great bloke and has no reason not to enjoy himself just because of the impression he might leave on a young striker.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 22, 2019 10:57:31 GMT
Maybe Lawro did it to galvanise the squad.
Good lad.
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Post by mrred on Feb 22, 2019 11:02:06 GMT
They need to get out on the pitch and prove it then This is it. I wouldn't mind if they could back up their bullshit once in a while. The club / team is a fucking cesspit and has been for quite some time. It seems they've got their head's so far up their own arses that they can't see it. And on the back of one of them getting arrested for Drink fucking driving when he should have been playing the next day? Yeah, great bunch of lads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:03:12 GMT
Afobe doesn't keep being picked. He's a fringe player, of whom it's been said, on here, he never wanted to come to Stoke. He may be a broken man because of the way Wolves treated him. His appearances and the one full game suggest that. Was just making the point that if you're looking at his selections as any kind of guide as to who this alleged "eye-watering behaviour" was coming from, Afobe has been in the 18 for every game under the new manager, and has come onto the pitch in every one bar West Brom. He's even been used for over an hour as a makeshift winger in the past 2 games when other selections were available if we wanted to avoid problem players wherever possible. Doesn't scream out at you that Jones is dissatisfied with his behaviour off the pitch, whatever his continued big shortcomings on it. If I was a new manager, the first thing I'd do if there were big problem players around the club was remove them from the matchday squad. But the ones that has happened to (Pieters, Diouf, Fletcher) don't exactly seem to be complete shits And even one who was identified as a potential problem by the last regime has been brought back into the fold. It's possible the ones causing the problems aren't ones we'd predict. Or the whole thing's been overblown. I still think the main problem is we just aren't very good There definitely is a problem, whether Lennie is craving for attention or not. A big problem, a very big problem. I don't know where it begins or where it ends. As for Afobe, I think he's just below the point of screaming, because no matter what he does he misses, no matter where he plays he gets pulled off, no matter how hard he tries he just is still angry at the way he's been treated. He should vent his anger towards Wolves, but he's here, so we get his unhappiness in full. The weird thing is that Batth called him up before his transfer and asked if Stoke was a good club, and, while I can't remember his exact words in the article, we were nonetheless recommended. Well that is an odd one, considering that Afobe is unhappy and the stuff we're reading or hearing...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 11:07:00 GMT
Are we saying having the odd night out and enjoying an exotic holiday are character defects now? Annoying the Daily Mail seems like a positive attribute to me... Did you read all my post? I said Crouch has every right to do what he wants and I think he is a great bloke and has no reason not to enjoy himself just because of the impression he might leave on a young striker. I don’t see why you’d mention it at all in that case? What should he be doing? It just seems odd that you seem so certain that we’ve got a dressing room full of rotten apples but seemingly no view on who specifically they are?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:12:53 GMT
From Jones's point of view it is not either just the players we have sent out on loan. He has never met them. I'm sure they were involved and may even have been the instigators Hard to imagine a man who can't or won't say good morning being the instigator of a bad dressing room - though of course he may have been a bad example because his way of being was tolerated too long, and as a result players might have said to themselves, well if he can get away with not pulling his weight, why should I?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 22, 2019 11:21:25 GMT
A shit few years of football but at least we've kept our dignity...
Jesus fucking wept.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 22, 2019 11:28:29 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 22, 2019 11:32:26 GMT
Did you read all my post? I said Crouch has every right to do what he wants and I think he is a great bloke and has no reason not to enjoy himself just because of the impression he might leave on a young striker. I don’t see why you’d mention it at all in that case? What should he be doing? It just seems odd that you seem so certain that we’ve got a dressing room full of rotten apples but seemingly no view on who specifically they are? I'm just trying to make the point that we lack characters to help keep people like Berahino in line more because of our poor recruitment than blaming anyone in particular in the dressing room. At the moment we don't have enough Ryan Shawcross's and I think that was why Bahtt and Vokes were brought in. The one role model from the Pulis era I missed was probably along with Huth one of the best - Walters, proved you could be the ultimate professional and responsible family man and still have a laugh. If Berahino had looked at Crouch in the right way Crouch would have been a great role model but I suspect Saido failed to see that Crouch had a great social life without letting it affect his football(probably because he was never there in time to see that Crouch was never late). I didn't follow Crouch's early career but I suspect it could have been used as an example to Saido of how much hard work is needed before you can consider yourself successful and earn the respect to enjoy spending your money how you like. I'm just putting myself in Berahino's shoes and thinking how boring someone like Shawcross(and I admire him hugely for the way he conducts himself so no criticism there either) must appear compared to Crouch. Therefore why shouldn't I do what Crouch does - everyone will think what a great bloke I am then.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 11:43:11 GMT
I don’t see why you’d mention it at all in that case? What should he be doing? It just seems odd that you seem so certain that we’ve got a dressing room full of rotten apples but seemingly no view on who specifically they are? I'm just trying to make the point that we lack characters to help keep people like Berahino in line more because of our poor recruitment than blaming anyone in particular in the dressing room. At the moment we don't have enough Ryan Shawcross's and I think that was why Bahtt and Vokes were brought in. The one role model from the Pulis era I missed was probably along with Huth one of the best - Walters, proved you could be the ultimate professional and responsible family man and still have a laugh. If Berahino had looked at Crouch in the right way Crouch would have been a great role model but I suspect Saido failed to see that Crouch had a great social life without letting it affect his football(probably because he was never there in time to see that Crouch was never late). I didn't follow Crouch's early career but I suspect it could have been used as an example to Saido of how much hard work is needed before you can consider yourself successful and earn the respect to enjoy spending your money how you like. I'm just putting myself in Berahino's shoes and thinking how boring someone like Shawcross(and I admire him hugely for the way he conducts himself so no criticism there either) must appear compared to Crouch. Therefore why shouldn't I do what Crouch does - everyone will think what a great bloke I am then. I don't think Crouch comes into it one way or the other - it seems Berahino was a lost cause way before we signed him. I suspect you're right about Batth in particular being exactly the kind of character needed, but I'm not sure if it's a case of actual bad apples as just very weak ones.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 22, 2019 11:46:12 GMT
There's lots of Sunday morning pub teams made up of a "great bunch of lads"; there's a few lads at Stoke at the moment who would be better suited to playing for Sunday morning pub teams.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 22, 2019 12:02:35 GMT
That's just what we need to prove everything is all happy and smiley at the club.
Our terrorist loving, bang average, expensive flop with a massive contract, Jimmy McLean come on down and tell us what you think.
If they sack Saido I wish they'd sack this waste of space as well
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Post by werrington on Feb 22, 2019 12:30:06 GMT
That's just what we need to prove everything is all happy and smiley at the club. Our terrorist loving, bang average, expensive flop with a massive contract, Jimmy McLean come on down and tell us what you think. If they sack Saido I wish they'd sack this waste of space as well So why hasn’t Lawrence come out and named names then?....he’s now carving a career in the media so surely it’s “ a scoop “ All this not naming to let Jones get on with his job is utter bollocks as what he’s actually done is caused people to openly start gossiping and question players who could well be innocent of anything He’s actually made it worse
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Post by robboleek on Feb 22, 2019 12:48:07 GMT
File McClean’s comment under the same blah, blah, blah bullshit that Butland comes out with every week...... all talk and no walk !!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 22, 2019 12:54:50 GMT
I would imagine Jamo’s tweet sums up a lot of favs feelings on this matter
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 22, 2019 12:55:13 GMT
No names were spoke of but it was simply put that Rowett was desperate to leave, said the club was toxic from top to bottom and that the majority of the players weren't interested at all and were just happy to be collecting their handsome pay cheques. What I don't get then is if Rowett was ready to walk in the first few weeks (with no pay off), why did he stick it out when week after week, the situation on the pitch was becoming worse and his relationship with the fans was crumbling to dust?
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Post by nott1 on Feb 22, 2019 12:57:55 GMT
This is a completely pointless article by Liam as it tells us diddly squat. Whats he up to? Keep your scoops to yourself Liam if this is the best you can do!
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Post by callas12 on Feb 22, 2019 13:01:42 GMT
No names were spoke of but it was simply put that Rowett was desperate to leave, said the club was toxic from top to bottom and that the majority of the players weren't interested at all and were just happy to be collecting their handsome pay cheques. What I don't get then is if Rowett was ready to walk in the first few weeks (with no pay off), why did he stick it out when week after week, the situation on the pitch was becoming worse and his relationship with the fans was crumbling to dust? Guessing money talks and he gave it a go thinking he could change things but in the end it didn't work out and the compo was enough to make it worth his while riding through the choppy waters. Plus he had responsibility for his entourage of staff he'd brought in to and if he walked they'd of likely walked away to without a wimper or sniff of compo..
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Post by tenerblue on Feb 22, 2019 13:02:12 GMT
No names were spoke of but it was simply put that Rowett was desperate to leave, said the club was toxic from top to bottom and that the majority of the players weren't interested at all and were just happy to be collecting their handsome pay cheques. What I don't get then is if Rowett was ready to walk in the first few weeks (with no pay off), why did he stick it out when week after week, the situation on the pitch was becoming worse and his relationship with the fans was crumbling to dust? a very confrontational conversation about money with the wife would be my guess
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:03:52 GMT
So James McClean is admitting that they're just wank footballers then?
Keep yer gob shut, is the best advice I can give to thick as pig shit footballers.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 13:05:19 GMT
No names were spoke of but it was simply put that Rowett was desperate to leave, said the club was toxic from top to bottom and that the majority of the players weren't interested at all and were just happy to be collecting their handsome pay cheques. What I don't get then is if Rowett was ready to walk in the first few weeks (with no pay off), why did he stick it out when week after week, the situation on the pitch was becoming worse and his relationship with the fans was crumbling to dust? That's the million dollar question isn't it? It's almost as if he was never 'ready to walk' at all and it was all a load of made-up nonsense...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 13:06:00 GMT
So James McClean is admitting that they're just wank footballers then? Keep yer gob shut, is the best advice I can give to thick as pig shit footballers. Yep, advice Mr Lawrence might do well to heed himself...
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Post by pez75 on Feb 22, 2019 13:08:46 GMT
Liam having a pop at Berahino's bad boy behaviour is a bit rich!
What about getting all your mates and some tart into the club dressing room to film a spit roast?
And while he is at it why does he not tell us what REALLY happened when he 'tripped over the dog'?
Hypocrisy of the highest order...
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Post by stantheman on Feb 22, 2019 13:09:26 GMT
That's just what we need to prove everything is all happy and smiley at the club. Our terrorist loving, bang average, expensive flop with a massive contract, Jimmy McLean come on down and tell us what you think. If they sack Saido I wish they'd sack this waste of space as well So why hasn’t Lawrence come out and named names then?....he’s now carving a career in the media so surely it’s “ a scoop “ All this not naming to let Jones get on with his job is utter bollocks as what he’s actually done is caused people to openly start gossiping and question players who could well be innocent of anything He’s actually made it worse I would have hoped by now that the club would have told James McClean in no uncertain terms to never give any opinion on social media regarding SCFC, but because he has verbal diarrhoea he just can't help himself. Useless, expensive clowns like him and Saido, who think they're something special, are the reason we're in the mess we are now
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 22, 2019 13:11:22 GMT
“Great bunch of lads”
I suppose they are really, they’re all wankers.
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Post by Davef on Feb 22, 2019 13:18:15 GMT
I would imagine Jamo’s tweet sums up a lot of favs feelings on this matter I was looking back at a few threads from the back end of the 2013/13 season earlier. One thread lamented the loss of Delap, Higginbotham and Diao, claiming that Pulis had lost the dressing room. This was during the week when we'd just lost at home to Villa and were about to lose to Man Utd. Messrs. Huth, Whelan, Walters and Wilkinson (as well as Shawcross and Nzonzi) were in the team that day. Carry on...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:18:37 GMT
So James McClean is admitting that they're just wank footballers then? Keep yer gob shut, is the best advice I can give to thick as pig shit footballers. Yep, advice Mr Lawrence might do well to heed himself... I don't disagree and when I first saw this yesterday, my first thoughts were about the hotel "spit roasting" incident already mentioned in this thread. People in glass houses and all that. There has to be some truth in what he's saying though, surely? How else do you explain the complete loss of any kind of form of these players, because regardless of what I've just said they aren't wank footballers at this level at all. Take Rowetts signings for instance, bar Williams and Martina, they've all had recent success in this league and now they look like they've never kicked a ball before. There simply has to be a divide in the dressing room because they don't play as a team/unit and aren't putting in the hard yards for each other, never mind SCFC, and all this under two managers this season.
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Post by greyman on Feb 22, 2019 13:19:08 GMT
You're going to have to try much harder. I understand your sense of shame. I'd feel exactly the same way if I'd done what you did. Remember. It's only what you say happened. The truth is different. This is just like that time you were cheering on in the away end the day we were relegated. Is this how it works?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 13:24:53 GMT
I understand your sense of shame. I'd feel exactly the same way if I'd done what you did. Remember. It's only what you say happened. The truth is different. This is just like that time you were cheering on in the away end the day we were relegated. Is this how it works? I was in the away end at Layer Road cheering on my team. You were in Belgium crawling up a non entity fat mans anus cheering on his meat coated colon!
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