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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 16, 2019 11:19:50 GMT
The rest of this season is crucial to edwards and whether he will make it at stoke. If Jones doesn't think he's up to it he's going to sign the boy from Luton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 11:20:40 GMT
Stick with it, it'll get there, and there's no downside this year because we can't reach any worthwhile milestones like the playoffs. There is a downside,if results continue as they are and the losing mentality around the club becomes even more ingrained it's going to be harder to pull out of it.....and the lower we finish in the table the harder it will be to entice the players he wants in the summer. I think we've got the money to pull most players we want tbh. But as long as we show some signs of improvement, which we're starting to, there'll be no issue.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 16, 2019 11:34:48 GMT
The rest of this season is crucial to edwards and whether he will make it at stoke. If Jones doesn't think he's up to it he's going to sign the boy from Luton You'd think we'll try and sign the Luton kiddie regardless? Despite being right-footed, he seems to have a career split of pretty much 50-50 between the 2 positions?
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Post by neddy on Feb 16, 2019 11:36:56 GMT
The rest of this season is crucial to edwards and whether he will make it at stoke. If Jones doesn't think he's up to it he's going to sign the boy from Luton You'd think we'll try and sign the Luton kiddie regardless? Despite being right-footed, he seems to have a career split of pretty much 50-50 between the 2 positions? Just wonder if they go up will it make a difference or may a premier league club start poking their nose in?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 16, 2019 11:39:15 GMT
You'd think we'll try and sign the Luton kiddie regardless? Despite being right-footed, he seems to have a career split of pretty much 50-50 between the 2 positions? Just wonder if they go up will it make a difference or may a premier league club start poking their nose in? Possibly, although don't think may Prem clubs would be willing to chuck a teenager straight in. The Jones factor, a massive wage rise and guaranteed games would probably make us attractive, especially if we can end the season not looking like a train wreck!
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Post by neddy on Feb 16, 2019 11:46:18 GMT
Just wonder if they go up will it make a difference or may a premier league club start poking their nose in? Possibly, although don't think may Prem clubs would be willing to chuck a teenager straight in. The Jones factor, a massive wage rise and guaranteed games would probably make us attractive, especially if we can end the season not looking like a train wreck! Hope we get him FM and we certainly in my view need a different type of midfielder may be a beast holder and a number 10 if Bojan or Ince don’t cut it....
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Post by Los Alfareros on Feb 16, 2019 12:24:57 GMT
You can play a diamond system, a chrismas tree, a 4-4-2, a fucking cock in the hole system..
if you dunner pick up the big fella at the back post at a free kick, you are highly likely to concede a goal.
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Post by neddy on Feb 16, 2019 16:08:56 GMT
Dumped the diamond then....
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Post by neddy on Feb 24, 2019 9:45:01 GMT
So again he gave up on his system maybe because he now absolutely knows he hasn’t got the players to do it?
So he’s gone to GRs 4 3 3...and we are getting similar results....too many draws.....familiar!
I’m no manager but if it were me now from what I’ve seen I’d try 4 2 3 1.....why not?
Butland
Edwards Batth Indi Clucas
Allen Etobo
Ince Bojan McClean
Vokes
Let Allen and Etobo sit and alternate going forward with Bojan hopefully providing the spark.
What’s to lose?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2019 9:52:25 GMT
So again he gave up on his system maybe because he now absolutely knows he hasn’t got the players to do it? So he’s gone to GRs 4 3 3...and we are getting similar results....too many draws.....familiar! I’m no manager but if it were me now from what I’ve seen I’d try 4 2 3 1.....why not? Butland Edwards Batth Indi Clucas Allen Etobo Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Let Allen and Etobo sit and alternate going forward with Bojan hopefully providing the spark. What’s to lose? Not necessarily against it but I think getting Allen and Etebo to alternate sitting and bombing on might be easier said than done. I have a suspicions that one reason why he's binned off the diamond for now might be because of the rank lack of protection offered by those two to the full backs.
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Post by march4 on Feb 24, 2019 10:04:07 GMT
If NJ believes in the diamond so strongly then why not use it all the time from now until the end of the season.
This bizarre chopping and changing formations every ten minutes is getting us nowhere.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 24, 2019 10:05:00 GMT
So again he gave up on his system maybe because he now absolutely knows he hasn’t got the players to do it? So he’s gone to GRs 4 3 3...and we are getting similar results....too many draws.....familiar! I’m no manager but if it were me now from what I’ve seen I’d try 4 2 3 1.....why not? Butland Edwards Batth Indi Clucas Allen Etobo Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Let Allen and Etobo sit and alternate going forward with Bojan hopefully providing the spark. What’s to lose? Not necessarily against it but I think getting Allen and Etebo to alternate sitting and bombing on might be easier said than done. I have a suspicions that one reason why he's binned off the diamond for now might be because of the rank lack of protection offered by those two to the full backs. The problem with that lies with the thought of etebo bombing on. He couldn't go forward if he played until he's 90! The only think I like about him is his energy and workrate. He doesn't release the ball quick enough, tending to want to take the opposition on his own. The thought of him getting anywhere near the opposition box is scary in itself
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Post by lordb on Feb 24, 2019 10:13:54 GMT
If NJ believes in the diamond so strongly then why not use it all the time from now until the end of the season. This bizarre chopping and changing formations every ten minutes is getting us nowhere. Reverting to Rowett's system for the last two games hasn't worked, especially Ince you'd think that would suit him but he's been shocking. Go back to the diamond, play Bojan at the top of it, then in the summer club has to work it's bollocks off getting players out and the ones Jones wants in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2019 10:31:47 GMT
Not necessarily against it but I think getting Allen and Etebo to alternate sitting and bombing on might be easier said than done. I have a suspicions that one reason why he's binned off the diamond for now might be because of the rank lack of protection offered by those two to the full backs. The problem with that lies with the thought of etebo bombing on. He couldn't go forward if he played until he's 90! The only think I like about him is his energy and workrate. He doesn't release the ball quick enough, tending to want to take the opposition on his own. The thought of him getting anywhere near the opposition box is scary in itself Yeah, there's a worrying touch of the Imbulas about him in that regard, although he's a million times better in terms of work rate and defensive capabilities. I did think yesterday he actually spotted a few good forward balls that were on, but his execution was just dreadful.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 24, 2019 10:35:43 GMT
Not necessarily against it but I think getting Allen and Etebo to alternate sitting and bombing on might be easier said than done. I have a suspicions that one reason why he's binned off the diamond for now might be because of the rank lack of protection offered by those two to the full backs. The problem with that lies with the thought of etebo bombing on. He couldn't go forward if he played until he's 90! The only think I like about him is his energy and workrate. He doesn't release the ball quick enough, tending to want to take the opposition on his own. The thought of him getting anywhere near the opposition box is scary in itself You missed the defensive splitting through ball to put Diouf through on goal yesterday then?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 24, 2019 10:43:49 GMT
Not necessarily against it but I think getting Allen and Etebo to alternate sitting and bombing on might be easier said than done. I have a suspicions that one reason why he's binned off the diamond for now might be because of the rank lack of protection offered by those two to the full backs. The problem with that lies with the thought of etebo bombing on. He couldn't go forward if he played until he's 90! The only think I like about him is his energy and workrate. He doesn't release the ball quick enough, tending to want to take the opposition on his own. The thought of him getting anywhere near the opposition box is scary in itself Bizarre statement. If Diouf had been fully fit he would have been through on goal from Etebo’s pass yesterday and Etebo is our only midfielder capable of surging forward. This is as well as being our best defensive midfielder. With a partner with more pace than Allen he will be able to lad a proper pressing game
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 24, 2019 10:48:25 GMT
So again he gave up on his system maybe because he now absolutely knows he hasn’t got the players to do it? So he’s gone to GRs 4 3 3...and we are getting similar results....too many draws.....familiar! I’m no manager but if it were me now from what I’ve seen I’d try 4 2 3 1.....why not? Butland Edwards Batth Indi Clucas Allen Etobo Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Let Allen and Etobo sit and alternate going forward with Bojan hopefully providing the spark. What’s to lose? What's to lose? Well clearly Charlie Adam's long, penetrating passing. Instrumental in the win over Leeds and our goal yesterday. He doesn't even have to make a pass for it to be effective. Simply BECAUSE we have the potential for him to do that in our armoury, meant that neither Leeds or Villa could press us. They both knew they were susceptible to such long distance accuracy. I can certainly understand why Jones started with 433 yesterday and I suspect he will continue to do so whilst Adam is fit. It's just a pity that Ince, McClean, Diouf and Afobe, individually offer so little at the minute.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 24, 2019 10:50:23 GMT
Etebo is the only player i think would do well in the diamond. Would love bojan at the top of it but he seems persona non grata at the moment!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:11:08 GMT
I thought we started 4-2-3-1 and switched to the diamond at the Adam substitution.....but there were also moments in the game when we were 4-3-3.
Fluid systems are fine if the players know what they're supposed to be doing.Ours can't seem to get a grip of any system
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Post by lordb on Feb 24, 2019 11:37:29 GMT
I thought we started 4-2-3-1 and switched to the diamond at the Adam substitution.....but there were also moments in the game when we were 4-3-3. Fluid systems are fine if the players know what they're supposed to be doing.Ours can't seem to get a grip of any system Just fell apart second half, no discernible shape at all. Jones must be so frustrated at this squad.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 24, 2019 12:21:54 GMT
I'm surprised how little is made of how easily other teams seem to get through our midfield two of Allen and Etobo. They just seem to pass through them at will. Puts a lot of pressure on any system.
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Post by march4 on Feb 24, 2019 17:02:20 GMT
I'm surprised how little is made of how easily other teams seem to get through our midfield two of Allen and Etobo. They just seem to pass through them at will. Puts a lot of pressure on any system. Yesterday, Whelan repeatedly outsprinted Allen.
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Post by neddy on Feb 24, 2019 17:05:46 GMT
So again he gave up on his system maybe because he now absolutely knows he hasn’t got the players to do it? So he’s gone to GRs 4 3 3...and we are getting similar results....too many draws.....familiar! I’m no manager but if it were me now from what I’ve seen I’d try 4 2 3 1.....why not? Butland Edwards Batth Indi Clucas Allen Etobo Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Let Allen and Etobo sit and alternate going forward with Bojan hopefully providing the spark. What’s to lose? What's to lose? Well clearly Charlie Adam's long, penetrating passing. Instrumental in the win over Leeds and our goal yesterday. He doesn't even have to make a pass for it to be effective. Simply BECAUSE we have the potential for him to do that in our armoury, meant that neither Leeds or Villa could press us. They both knew they were susceptible to such long distance accuracy. I can certainly understand why Jones started with 433 yesterday and I suspect he will continue to do so whilst Adam is fit. It's just a pity that Ince, McClean, Diouf and Afobe, individually offer so little at the minute. Adam is good but will we ever be able to rely on him for 90 mins?
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Post by neddy on Feb 24, 2019 17:07:26 GMT
Also Adam can’t play in a two as not fit enough so only fits the base of the diamond....and Jones has give up on that for now hence my suggestion?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 24, 2019 17:26:27 GMT
Also Adam can’t play in a two as not fit enough so only fits the base of the diamond....and Jones has give up on that for now hence my suggestion? Eh? Adam didn't play in a diamond yesterday or against Leeds.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 24, 2019 17:27:24 GMT
Also Adam can’t play in a two as not fit enough so only fits the base of the diamond....and Jones has give up on that for now hence my suggestion? He wouldn't fit the base of the diamond either, it needs a proper mobile dm as to be able to cover the defence, I can see him getting another years contract tbh as a half decent option off the bench but after this season he won't be a regular if he does.
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 24, 2019 17:27:47 GMT
Charlie is by far our most creative midfielder, but he has to sit deep in midfield and let the others do the running.
It works for a while, but when Charlie's not on the pitch we need to play a 4-4-2.
Yesterday - again - we had no width and don't get the best out of Ince or McClean.
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Post by neddy on Feb 24, 2019 17:28:51 GMT
Also Adam can’t play in a two as not fit enough so only fits the base of the diamond....and Jones has give up on that for now hence my suggestion? Eh? Adam didn't play in a diamond yesterday or against Leeds. I mean he could never be in a 4 4 2? Yesterday they were 4 3 3. Against Leeds we were 5 3 2 I thought?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 24, 2019 17:31:30 GMT
Eh? Adam didn't play in a diamond yesterday or against Leeds. I mean he could never be in a 4 4 2? Yesterday they were 4 3 3. Against Leeds we were 5 3 2 I thought? Exactly, so he doesn't ONLY fit the base of a diamond. And there's no place for him in your suggested 4231.
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Post by neddy on Feb 24, 2019 17:35:49 GMT
I mean he could never be in a 4 4 2? Yesterday they were 4 3 3. Against Leeds we were 5 3 2 I thought? Exactly, so he doesn't ONLY fit the base of a diamond. And there's no place for him in your suggested 4231. Because I don’t think he is fit enough to get up and down as when shot he becomes a walking yellow or red card. I really like Charlie but he has to be fully fit...just my opinion mate.
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