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Post by clarkeda on May 25, 2019 8:49:51 GMT
Most decent managers like to have a couple of characters in the dressing room that they trust implicitly. Sometimes it is because they are friends of the manager, sometimes they were team mates of the manager but more often than not they were trusted lieutenants at a previous club. Durban did it with Irvine, Cloughie did it with McGovern, Lou did it with Overson. NJ needs a couple of guys from Luton to pull the dressing room in his direction. Strong point you hay there. From what I've heard the dressing room is rock solid behind the manager. "Best coaching sessions ever", "100% bought into his ideas" This is from a player. Good to hear, shame they didn’t play like it!
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2019 8:51:46 GMT
Strong point you hay there. From what I've heard the dressing room is rock solid behind the manager. "Best coaching sessions ever", "100% bought into his ideas" This is from a player. Good to hear, shame they didn’t play like it! Pre season is absolutely huge this summer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2019 8:52:38 GMT
Most decent managers like to have a couple of characters in the dressing room that they trust implicitly. Sometimes it is because they are friends of the manager, sometimes they were team mates of the manager but more often than not they were trusted lieutenants at a previous club. Durban did it with Irvine, Cloughie did it with McGovern, Lou did it with Overson. NJ needs a couple of guys from Luton to pull the dressing room in his direction. Strong point you hay there. From what I've heard the dressing room is rock solid behind the manager. "Best coaching sessions ever", "100% bought into his ideas" This is from a player. Yeah they don’t seem to be not trying but I think on the whole it’s been that way all season. Effort has been there. They just haven’t played well. And I think with both managers it was down to their tactics. Which is worrying.
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Post by mistergumby on May 25, 2019 8:58:08 GMT
I can’t believe the number of our fans who think we are a big club and that it isn’t a sideways move for any player who has just been promoted to come to Stoke. We may be able to pay more in salary this year, but that’s it. We finished 16th, no where near the play offs and won the 5th least games of any team in the Championship. Given the choice of Brighton (Clarke) or Leicester or Derby or Villa (JJ) - all bigger clubs than Stoke, you’d be nuts to choose to come to Stoke. Very well said. So many deluded people on here who simply cannot seem to get a grip on the reality that SCFC are currently amongst the Championship dregs and have never been a 'fashionable' club. Given the stature, potential and league placings of the clubs mentioned, I think it highly unlikely that Justin will come here - and rightly so. Indeed, he might well actually mean what he's suggesting in that interview and stay at Luton. Given their playing style, apparent ambition and momentum, I wouldn't be amazed to see them finish above Stoke this forthcoming season.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2019 9:09:00 GMT
Obviously they're going to go to the Premier League if they've got the chance - but it's just a statement of fact that we could pay wages that virtually no other Championship teams would. Look at the way we can easily outmaneuver the likes of Barnsley, Millwall and Wigan for some of their best players. What's Justin going to be making at Luton?
Rico Henry seems another really good left-back prospect at Brentford - but don't know whether he's realistic or whether he's another that low-end Prem teams would be in for.
So my back-of-an-envelope left-back list is now Dasilva and Henry. Sorted.
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Post by Squeekster on May 25, 2019 10:21:07 GMT
I can’t believe the number of our fans who think we are a big club and that it isn’t a sideways move for any player who has just been promoted to come to Stoke. We may be able to pay more in salary this year, but that’s it. We finished 16th, no where near the play offs and won the 5th least games of any team in the Championship. Given the choice of Brighton (Clarke) or Leicester or Derby or Villa (JJ) - all bigger clubs than Stoke, you’d be nuts to choose to come to Stoke. Very well said. So many deluded people on here who simply cannot seem to get a grip on the reality that SCFC are currently amongst the Championship dregs and have never been a 'fashionable' club. Given the stature, potential and league placings of the clubs mentioned, I think it highly unlikely that Justin will come here - and rightly so. Indeed, he might well actually mean what he's suggesting in that interview and stay at Luton. Given their playing style, apparent ambition and momentum, I wouldn't be amazed to see them finish above Stoke this forthcoming season. Whilst I agree we are an unfashionable club, we have just spent 10 years in the premier league, were one of the favorites to go straight up and have a mega rich owners, is it too foolish to think we should be able to compete with all the clubs in this division when trying to attract players? We have and never will be a big club to no one other than ourselves but that's fine with me!
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 18:40:46 GMT
I can’t believe the number of our fans who think we are a big club and that it isn’t a sideways move for any player who has just been promoted to come to Stoke. We may be able to pay more in salary this year, but that’s it. We finished 16th, no where near the play offs and won the 5th least games of any team in the Championship. Given the choice of Brighton (Clarke) or Leicester or Derby or Villa (JJ) - all bigger clubs than Stoke, you’d be nuts to choose to come to Stoke. Brighton are not bigger than Stoke Obviously, their current status would give them an advantage over us in terms of player targets.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 18:51:33 GMT
Obviously they're going to go to the Premier League if they've got the chance - but it's just a statement of fact that we could pay wages that virtually no other Championship teams would. Look at the way we can easily outmaneuver the likes of Barnsley, Millwall and Wigan for some of their best players. What's Justin going to be making at Luton? Rico Henry seems another really good left-back prospect at Brentford - but don't know whether he's realistic or whether he's another that low-end Prem teams would be in for. So my back-of-an-envelope left-back list is now Dasilva and Henry. Sorted. <loads up football manager>
<loads special 'database' save of every league loaded>
<goes to the player search menu>
<searches for left backs with extra attributes in stamina, natural fitness, acceleration, pace and crossing and waits while the slow pc chugs to it's search result>
<goes to the fridge, pulls out two pizzas, loads them into the oven>
<goes out to the garden, pulls on a Leek Town goalkeeper jersey and some Reusch 99 special gloves and bounces a few balls off a wall. Tidy keeping if I do say so myself>
<comes back into the house and resumes the search. Wonders what the burning smell is. Christ, the pizzas>
<burns mouth on molten cheese>
<finally the search result is complete. Man, this database is huge>
Meh, Baba Rahman*. Pulls out the list of candidates from Beswicks...
*Jay Dasilva is actually in the list FM, good shout. It also popped up another interesting name. Antonee Robinson. American lad who was on loan at Wigan last season from Everton. Know much about him?
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Post by thehoof on May 25, 2019 20:53:06 GMT
I can’t believe the number of our fans who think we are a big club and that it isn’t a sideways move for any player who has just been promoted to come to Stoke. We may be able to pay more in salary this year, but that’s it. We finished 16th, no where near the play offs and won the 5th least games of any team in the Championship. Given the choice of Brighton (Clarke) or Leicester or Derby or Villa (JJ) - all bigger clubs than Stoke, you’d be nuts to choose to come to Stoke. Brighton are not bigger than Stoke Obviously, their current status would give them an advantage over us in terms of player targets. You hit the nail on the head with “current status”. They are in a higher division, will pay more because of this fact, and will play in a sold out stadium as opposed to our 60% full one. In this present day and age this makes them a bigger club than Stoke despite the fact that in only two seasons of their existence have they finished above Stoke. If Clarke went to Brighton and they end up relegated he will still get his name known more than spending a season with a team that has no guarantee of causing a stir in the Championship.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 26, 2019 8:59:58 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 26, 2019 9:17:46 GMT
I can’t believe the number of our fans who think we are a big club and that it isn’t a sideways move for any player who has just been promoted to come to Stoke. We may be able to pay more in salary this year, but that’s it. We finished 16th, no where near the play offs and won the 5th least games of any team in the Championship. Given the choice of Brighton (Clarke) or Leicester or Derby or Villa (JJ) - all bigger clubs than Stoke, you’d be nuts to choose to come to Stoke. Brighton are not bigger than Stoke Obviously, their current status would give them an advantage over us in terms of player targets. Any prem club is more attractive than any championship club. History is irrelevant these days
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Post by DC1863 on May 26, 2019 10:30:12 GMT
Obviously they're going to go to the Premier League if they've got the chance - but it's just a statement of fact that we could pay wages that virtually no other Championship teams would. Look at the way we can easily outmaneuver the likes of Barnsley, Millwall and Wigan for some of their best players. What's Justin going to be making at Luton? Rico Henry seems another really good left-back prospect at Brentford - but don't know whether he's realistic or whether he's another that low-end Prem teams would be in for. So my back-of-an-envelope left-back list is now Dasilva and Henry. Sorted. <loads up football manager> <loads special 'database' save of every league loaded> <goes to the player search menu> <searches for left backs with extra attributes in stamina, natural fitness, acceleration, pace and crossing and waits while the slow pc chugs to it's search result> <goes to the fridge, pulls out two pizzas, loads them into the oven> <goes out to the garden, pulls on a Leek Town goalkeeper jersey and some Reusch 99 special gloves and bounces a few balls off a wall. Tidy keeping if I do say so myself> <comes back into the house and resumes the search. Wonders what the burning smell is. Christ, the pizzas> <burns mouth on molten cheese> <finally the search result is complete. Man, this database is huge> Meh, Baba Rahman*. Pulls out the list of candidates from Beswicks... *Jay Dasilva is actually in the list FM, good shout. It also popped up another interesting name. Antonee Robinson. American lad who was on loan at Wigan last season from Everton. Know much about him?
I've said for years this is how he created shortlists, but I think they look back at wonderkids that never quite made it, we were linked with loads of them a few years ago: Daniel Opare, Pablo Piatti. We even signed a few in Shaq, Arnie, Affelay, Bojan, Muni. I was always expecting us to start sniffing around Freddy Adu.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 10:47:08 GMT
<loads up football manager> <loads special 'database' save of every league loaded> <goes to the player search menu> <searches for left backs with extra attributes in stamina, natural fitness, acceleration, pace and crossing and waits while the slow pc chugs to it's search result> <goes to the fridge, pulls out two pizzas, loads them into the oven> <goes out to the garden, pulls on a Leek Town goalkeeper jersey and some Reusch 99 special gloves and bounces a few balls off a wall. Tidy keeping if I do say so myself> <comes back into the house and resumes the search. Wonders what the burning smell is. Christ, the pizzas> <burns mouth on molten cheese> <finally the search result is complete. Man, this database is huge> Meh, Baba Rahman*. Pulls out the list of candidates from Beswicks... *Jay Dasilva is actually in the list FM, good shout. It also popped up another interesting name. Antonee Robinson. American lad who was on loan at Wigan last season from Everton. Know much about him?
I've said for years this is how he created shortlists, but I think they look back at wonderkids that never quite made it, we were linked with loads of them a few years ago: Daniel Opare, Pablo Piatti. We even signed a few in Shaq, Arnie, Affelay, Bojan, Muni. I was always expecting us to start sniffing around Freddy Adu. All joking aside, the two brothers that made the original game are both Everton fans (from Shropshire), and it was rumoured a while ago that David Moyes took their database of players whilst he was at Everton and used it in some capacity. It is rumoured that this is how he found Fellaini, but that has never been certified. Since then the database has been licensed by a number of professional clubs who use it to create player shortlists. I think ProZone use it too, although I might be wrong on that. It sounds daft and something I can't get my head around.
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Post by clarkeda on May 26, 2019 11:31:30 GMT
I've said for years this is how he created shortlists, but I think they look back at wonderkids that never quite made it, we were linked with loads of them a few years ago: Daniel Opare, Pablo Piatti. We even signed a few in Shaq, Arnie, Affelay, Bojan, Muni. I was always expecting us to start sniffing around Freddy Adu. All joking aside, the two brothers that made the original game are both Everton fans (from Shropshire), and it was rumoured a while ago that David Moyes took their database of players whilst he was at Everton and used it in some capacity. It is rumoured that this is how he found Fellaini, but that has never been certified. Since then the database has been licensed by a number of professional clubs who use it to create player shortlists. I think ProZone use it too, although I might be wrong on that. It sounds daft and something I can't get my head around. Miles (one of the co founders) is a Watford fan, that’s why Watford always have faces and kits etc. Prozone (I think) bought the database or has an API into it to link both. Sam Allardyce definitely used to too.
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Post by kelw on May 26, 2019 11:35:32 GMT
I've said for years this is how he created shortlists, but I think they look back at wonderkids that never quite made it, we were linked with loads of them a few years ago: Daniel Opare, Pablo Piatti. We even signed a few in Shaq, Arnie, Affelay, Bojan, Muni. I was always expecting us to start sniffing around Freddy Adu. All joking aside, the two brothers that made the original game are both Everton fans (from Shropshire), and it was rumoured a while ago that David Moyes took their database of players whilst he was at Everton and used it in some capacity. It is rumoured that this is how he found Fellaini, but that has never been certified. Since then the database has been licensed by a number of professional clubs who use it to create player shortlists. I think ProZone use it too, although I might be wrong on that. It sounds daft and something I can't get my head around. Steve Bruce did similar and had DVDs sent to him of players. I have a friend at a football academy in Iran and his job is to compile DVDs of players and send them to clubs. Many of his African players have ended up mainly at Asian clubs and one now at Andelecht. Steve Bruce used a similar contact but in Central America
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 26, 2019 14:15:59 GMT
Andre Villas-Boas' knowledge of players from playing Championship Manager helped him get scouting jobs. The makers of the game have the biggest scouting network in the world. Plenty of (all?) clubs use it for discovery, and why wouldn't they?
Most of the scouts are volunteers though, and many are fans of the clubs they report on (sometimes actually players), so you have to wonder how the data is kept consistent. If enough isn't known about a trait, the data is randomised.
It's crazily detailed though. Interviews in programmes and online are read to judge certain traits. Agents have been known to phone Football Manager's makers to complain a player's stats are too low or even use wage examples in the game for negotiating in real life.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 26, 2019 14:37:03 GMT
Time to move on I think
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Post by dreamtheater on May 26, 2019 14:48:17 GMT
We would be now entirely reliant upon, what the interpersonal relationship was -between this player and our current manager
be interesting to see how much pull the welsh wizard has
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Post by tony1234 on May 26, 2019 15:07:07 GMT
Who else is on the list??
Barry Douglas Martin Olssen Brian Oviedo Gaitan Bong Pape Souare Philip Heise Rico Henry Tony Gallagher (loan)
etc
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Post by FullerMagic on May 28, 2019 9:20:28 GMT
Bristol local press have done an article on who Bristol City could look at for left-back if hey don't manage to sign Jay Dasilva. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/four-up-coming-left-backs-2913399Talks are ongoing over bringing the 21-year-old back to Ashton Gate but, as Johnson has admitted, City have competition for his signature and that only seeks to raise the bar in terms of value and salary, plus there is the added prospect of Chelsea wanting to keep hold of the England Under-21 international, due to their transfer ban. They've listed: James Justin (no chance) Rico Henry (seems optimistic) Myles Kenlock (Ipswich) Harry Toffolo (Lincoln) As has been mentioned, suppose it is interesting that Toffolo is a Beswicks boy!
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Post by neddy on May 28, 2019 9:23:15 GMT
Bristol local press have done an article on who Bristol City could look at for left-back if hey don't manage to sign Jay Dasilva. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/four-up-coming-left-backs-2913399Talks are ongoing over bringing the 21-year-old back to Ashton Gate but, as Johnson has admitted, City have competition for his signature and that only seeks to raise the bar in terms of value and salary, plus there is the added prospect of Chelsea wanting to keep hold of the England Under-21 international, due to their transfer ban. They've listed: James Justin (no chance) Rico Henry (seems optimistic) Myles Kenlock (Ipswich) Harry Toffolo (Lincoln) As has been mentioned, suppose it is interesting that Toffolo is a Beswicks boy! Will be interesting to see if Villa still want Justin after promotion or will go for bigger targets as it seems they have the financial backing? Like every season after the frees it gets difficult and the waiting game begins......I hate this bit?
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Post by dreamtheater on May 28, 2019 9:59:35 GMT
Anybody else noticing how - Whenever we are connected with new signings now - we are so easily and quickly being usurped ?
the price of failure by those still there, is now being paid.
we were small but well formed heading towards middling size fish in a rather large pond - with all the choices and opportunities presented
Now, we are like a tadpole, wriggling around in a fucking muddy shit filled puddle.
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Post by dreamtheater on May 28, 2019 10:07:58 GMT
Werrington --post removed ? --- Disagree - respectfully
29th richest club in the world, had some real clout
money and status talked
in all walks of life
I repeat we were a growing worldwide brand - crucialy in the regard of the Future and well being of S.O.T
Next season, Stoke City (Having failed again) will be playing free transfers in a more than half empty stadium and in a fucking shit league.
Im just reminding those delusional people who think things are still ok
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 28, 2019 10:11:31 GMT
Anybody else noticing how - Whenever we are connected with new signings now - we are so easily and quickly being usurped ? the price of failure by those still there, is now being paid. we were small but well formed heading towards middling size fish in a rather large pond - with all the choices and opportunities presented Now, we are like a tadpole, wriggling around in a fucking muddy shit filled puddle. You need to get over it or else you'll go mad! We're on the football roundabout. Our time will come again, or maybe it won't. We got to the Premiership last time through sheer hard graft and I think that'll be the way with Jones, if he is to succeed.
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Post by kelw on May 28, 2019 10:16:01 GMT
Very well said. So many deluded people on here who simply cannot seem to get a grip on the reality that SCFC are currently amongst the Championship dregs and have never been a 'fashionable' club. Given the stature, potential and league placings of the clubs mentioned, I think it highly unlikely that Justin will come here - and rightly so. Indeed, he might well actually mean what he's suggesting in that interview and stay at Luton. Given their playing style, apparent ambition and momentum, I wouldn't be amazed to see them finish above Stoke this forthcoming season. Whilst I agree we are an unfashionable club, we have just spent 10 years in the premier league, were one of the favorites to go straight up and have a mega rich owners, is it too foolish to think we should be able to compete with all the clubs in this division when trying to attract players? We have and never will be a big club to no one other than ourselves but that's fine with me! Absolutely. We are far from Championship dregs, daft comment. Last season we under-performed and are again amongst the favourites for promotion and will be one of the more attractive prospects for players as money talks also
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Post by march4 on May 28, 2019 10:38:42 GMT
Whilst I agree we are an unfashionable club, we have just spent 10 years in the premier league, were one of the favorites to go straight up and have a mega rich owners, is it too foolish to think we should be able to compete with all the clubs in this division when trying to attract players? We have and never will be a big club to no one other than ourselves but that's fine with me! Absolutely. We are far from Championship dregs, daft comment. Last season we under-performed and are again amongst the favourites for promotion and will be one of the more attractive prospects for players as money talks also We are the most attractive team outside the Prem because of the wages we can offer.
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Post by liathroid on May 28, 2019 10:52:45 GMT
Absolutely. We are far from Championship dregs, daft comment. Last season we under-performed and are again amongst the favourites for promotion and will be one of the more attractive prospects for players as money talks also We are the most attractive team outside the Prem because of the wages we can offer. but for how long can we keep on going paying high wages ,its a must we get promoted this season and then it starts all over again
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Post by kelw on May 28, 2019 10:54:45 GMT
Absolutely. We are far from Championship dregs, daft comment. Last season we under-performed and are again amongst the favourites for promotion and will be one of the more attractive prospects for players as money talks also We are the most attractive team outside the Prem because of the wages we can offer. Absolutely. Same as Bournemouth are currently a more attractive prospect as in the Prem. I very much doubt a player offered far bigger money by us than say Boro will look at the fact we came 16th and opt for Boro next season.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 28, 2019 13:54:35 GMT
Strong point you hay there. From what I've heard the dressing room is rock solid behind the manager. "Best coaching sessions ever", "100% bought into his ideas" This is from a player. Yeah they don’t seem to be not trying but I think on the whole it’s been that way all season. Effort has been there. They just haven’t played well. And I think with both managers it was down to their tactics. Which is worrying. Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
Bristol local press have done an article on who Bristol City could look at for left-back if hey don't manage to sign Jay Dasilva. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/four-up-coming-left-backs-2913399Talks are ongoing over bringing the 21-year-old back to Ashton Gate but, as Johnson has admitted, City have competition for his signature and that only seeks to raise the bar in terms of value and salary, plus there is the added prospect of Chelsea wanting to keep hold of the England Under-21 international, due to their transfer ban. They've listed: James Justin (no chance) Rico Henry (seems optimistic) Myles Kenlock (Ipswich) Harry Toffolo (Lincoln) As has been mentioned, suppose it is interesting that Toffolo is a Beswicks boy! What about Greg Cunningham at Cardiff? Signed for 4M and was excellent at Preston. Could well be worth a look.
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