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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 11, 2021 1:45:03 GMT
How about this. Big, tough MAGA guy gets thrown off flight. Starts crying. These fucking retards all had their phones out. All posted to social media and thought nothing would happen. Trump doesn't give a shit about you. He doesn't care about his VP. Why would he care about his minions doing his dirty work? That’s fucking glorious. What is it these hard men like to say? Fuck around and find out? Well, they fucked around and now the finding out begins. It’s also ironic that a section of these fucking morons have spent the 9 months banging on about the 5G Virus and Bill Gates plans to inject everyone with a tracking device - yet they were cool storming the Capital and attacking the old bill with location services set to “on” while live-streaming their crimes and publishing the photos on their public social media profiles and tagging their co-treasoners in the posts. Best of all - those convicted of felony offenses will lose their right to vote. Karma is a bitch! I swear the average IQ of the free population in this country will increase tenfold once these shit-for-brained cultists are locked away.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 7:30:28 GMT
The videos that are coming out after the storming of the Capitol building make things worse, and worse... The fact that Trump never even checked on Pence. More consumed with trying to stop the election confirmation than stop a riot. This is just beyond words... The problem is these people are so far down the rabbit hole, the usual response is that all those folk who attacked, and effectively killed, that policeman are Antifa infiltrators. Of course, if the rioters had successfully overturned the election result (God knows how they really thought rioting and petty vandalism would actually achieve that!) those very same people would have been true patriots and freedom fighters or something similar. The cognitive dissonance of these folk is impossible to break down. But if you support a president who contradicts his own previous statements often within hours of each other, I guess that's the only way to keep being a believer where more rational people would see through all the bollocks.
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Post by Timmypotter on Jan 11, 2021 10:39:24 GMT
The videos that are coming out after the storming of the Capitol building make things worse, and worse... The fact that Trump never even checked on Pence. More consumed with trying to stop the election confirmation than stop a riot. This is just beyond words... The problem is these people are so far down the rabbit hole, the usual response is that all those folk who attacked, and effectively killed, that policeman are Antifa infiltrators. Of course, if the rioters had successfully overturned the election result (God knows how they really thought rioting and petty vandalism would actually achieve that!) those very same people would have been true patriots and freedom fighters or something similar. The cognitive dissonance of these folk is impossible to break down. But if you support a president who contradicts his own previous statements often within hours of each other, I guess that's the only way to keep being a believer where more rational people would see through all the bollocks. I started reading some of the thread under that twitter post. There was one guy trying to suggest that the baton over the back of the policeman's neck was there to keep his head and spine in line and prevent further injury. There really is some nonsense spouted by some Trump devotees/Russian troll farms. Post truth politics and the rise and rise of social media will cause huge problems in the future but, unfortunately, they're here to stay. There's no going back now and effectively banning Parler isn't the answer. Education is the answer and the syllabus should be updated to prepare young people to properly engage with material they'll encounter on the web. History should be a mandatory GCSE
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 12:05:58 GMT
The problem is these people are so far down the rabbit hole, the usual response is that all those folk who attacked, and effectively killed, that policeman are Antifa infiltrators. Of course, if the rioters had successfully overturned the election result (God knows how they really thought rioting and petty vandalism would actually achieve that!) those very same people would have been true patriots and freedom fighters or something similar. The cognitive dissonance of these folk is impossible to break down. But if you support a president who contradicts his own previous statements often within hours of each other, I guess that's the only way to keep being a believer where more rational people would see through all the bollocks. I started reading some of the thread under that twitter post. There was one guy trying to suggest that the baton over the back of the policeman's neck was there to keep his head and spine in line and prevent further injury. There really is some nonsense spouted by some Trump devotees/Russian troll farms. Post truth politics and the rise and rise of social media will cause huge problems in the future but, unfortunately, they're here to stay. There's no going back now and effectively banning Parler isn't the answer. Education is the answer and the syllabus should be updated to prepare young people to properly engage with material they'll encounter on the web. History should be a mandatory GCSE Yes, I agree, I've said many times there should be a core subject on the syllabus which prepares kids for life basically, looking at politics, mortgages, taxation, employment etc. I'm sure thee are other worthy areas too. It shouldn't have any strong political leaning or even go that deeply into politics, just present the core beliefs of how a democratic society operates and why most people think that is the better way to live, in an independently agreed and objective way, and in the case of people like Trump and his supporters, a fact-checked way. They pretty much do this in Germany and other places. Lessons on democracy basically. Thereafter, if people choose to go down the rabbit hole, that's up to them, but you will probably have done all you can to minimise the number of people who do so.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2021 12:57:06 GMT
They're being put on no fly lists as terrorists
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 11, 2021 13:00:37 GMT
I started reading some of the thread under that twitter post. There was one guy trying to suggest that the baton over the back of the policeman's neck was there to keep his head and spine in line and prevent further injury. There really is some nonsense spouted by some Trump devotees/Russian troll farms. Post truth politics and the rise and rise of social media will cause huge problems in the future but, unfortunately, they're here to stay. There's no going back now and effectively banning Parler isn't the answer. Education is the answer and the syllabus should be updated to prepare young people to properly engage with material they'll encounter on the web. History should be a mandatory GCSE Yes, I agree, I've said many times there should be a core subject on the syllabus which prepares kids for life basically, looking at politics, mortgages, taxation, employment etc. I'm sure thee are other worthy areas too. It shouldn't have any strong political leaning or even go that deeply into politics, just present the core beliefs of how a democratic society operates and why most people think that is the better way to live, in an independently agreed and objective way, and in the case of people like Trump and his supporters, a fact-checked way. They pretty much do this in Germany and other places. Lessons on democracy basically. Thereafter, if people choose to go down the rabbit hole, that's up to them, but you will probably have done all you can to minimise the number of people who do so. The subject us called Citizenship and already exists in schools.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 15:32:12 GMT
Yes, I agree, I've said many times there should be a core subject on the syllabus which prepares kids for life basically, looking at politics, mortgages, taxation, employment etc. I'm sure thee are other worthy areas too. It shouldn't have any strong political leaning or even go that deeply into politics, just present the core beliefs of how a democratic society operates and why most people think that is the better way to live, in an independently agreed and objective way, and in the case of people like Trump and his supporters, a fact-checked way. They pretty much do this in Germany and other places. Lessons on democracy basically. Thereafter, if people choose to go down the rabbit hole, that's up to them, but you will probably have done all you can to minimise the number of people who do so. The subject us called Citizenship and already exists in schools. As a compulsory core subject? Not in my kids' school! But fair enough if it exists already. Do you sit a GCSE exam at the end? If not, you should. And a good result in it should be as strong a signal to prospective employers as obtaining decent maths and English qualifications.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 11, 2021 15:54:20 GMT
The subject us called Citizenship and already exists in schools. As a compulsory core subject? Not in my kids' school! But fair enough if it exists already. Do you sit a GSCE exam at the end? If not, you should. And a good result in it should be as strong a signal to prospective employers as obtaining decent maths and English qualifications are. One of my lads took it as an option for his GSCE, it's not compulsory GSCE subject. I thought that it was a compulsory subject up until options.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2021 17:35:49 GMT
As a compulsory core subject? Not in my kids' school! But fair enough if it exists already. Do you sit a GSCE exam at the end? If not, you should. And a good result in it should be as strong a signal to prospective employers as obtaining decent maths and English qualifications are. One of my lads took it as an option for his GSCE, it's not compulsory GSCE subject. I thought that it was a compulsory subject up until options. Ha! Look at us two, what's a GSCE! O levels in my day, much easier to remember!
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Post by eddyclamp on Jan 11, 2021 18:24:54 GMT
Looks like the PGA are taking away the 2022 championship from one of Trumps courses because of his antics. I case a lot of his business interests taking a battering I know he spent millions at Turnberry to try to get the open back yo there I can never see the R and A ever dealing with him.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 11, 2021 18:55:48 GMT
One of my lads took it as an option for his GSCE, it's not compulsory GSCE subject. I thought that it was a compulsory subject up until options. Ha! Look at us two, what's a GSCE! O levels in my day, much easier to remember! I thought it looked wrong, but I simply went along with it because someone else said it...
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 11, 2021 19:55:09 GMT
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Post by tuum on Jan 11, 2021 21:38:30 GMT
Were they really denied boarding because they are classed as terrorists? If so, why are they being treated as terrorists before they have had their day in court? If that is the case then I find that a bit disturbing. I am not condoning their actions (in entering the govt buildings) but I think denying them a flight on the basis of being judged a 'terrorist' presumably before they have been tried seems over the top. Surely the airline could have denied them boarding by citing some other basis?
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Post by Davef on Jan 11, 2021 22:26:16 GMT
Looks like the PGA are taking away the 2022 championship from one of Trumps courses because of his antics. I case a lot of his business interests taking a battering I know he spent millions at Turnberry to try to get the open back yo there I can never see the R and A ever dealing with him.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 11, 2021 22:58:22 GMT
Were they really denied boarding because they are classed as terrorists? If so, why are they being treated as terrorists before they have had their day in court? If that is the case then I find that a bit disturbing. I am not condoning their actions (in entering the govt buildings) but I think denying them a flight on the basis of being judged a 'terrorist' presumably before they have been tried seems over the top. Surely the airline could have denied them boarding by citing some other basis? It does make you wonder how they got as far as getting onto a plane, but then again, this was all happening in real time so they may have already been onboard before the no fly alert took effect. As for being classed as terrorists, then I think the word "alleged" would have been used. On that note, if there was an alleged terrorist in an airport on on an aeroplane, then I'm like them to be arrested as quickly as possible.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 12, 2021 1:47:34 GMT
Were they really denied boarding because they are classed as terrorists? If so, why are they being treated as terrorists before they have had their day in court? If that is the case then I find that a bit disturbing. I am not condoning their actions (in entering the govt buildings) but I think denying them a flight on the basis of being judged a 'terrorist' presumably before they have been tried seems over the top. Surely the airline could have denied them boarding by citing some other basis? It does make you wonder how they got as far as getting onto a plane, but then again, this was all happening in real time so they may have already been onboard before the no fly alert took effect. As for being classed as terrorists, then I think the word "alleged" would have been used. On that note, if there was an alleged terrorist in an airport on on an aeroplane, then I'm like them to be arrested as quickly as possible. Correct. Completely understand that people are innocent until proven guilty, but suspected terrorists carry a slightly different risk. Would anyone here feel comfortable sharing a plane flight with somebody who was awaiting terrorism-related charges? Fuck that - they can have the privilege of flying again once they have been cleared of any charges. If found guilty, they should be permanently on the no-fly list like anyone else who has been found guilty of similar shares. Fuck their feelings.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 12, 2021 3:53:17 GMT
One of my lads took it as an option for his GSCE, it's not compulsory GSCE subject. I thought that it was a compulsory subject up until options. Ha! Look at us two, what's a GSCE! O levels in my day, much easier to remember! We had o levels cses and gcses or was it 16+ as I seem to remember in 1986
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 12, 2021 6:54:38 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists
Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few
A strange sad country
As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 12, 2021 7:55:53 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few A strange sad country As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately Yes, Nancy should calm down, she's acting like her her life was put in danger last week.
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Post by tuum on Jan 12, 2021 8:06:11 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few A strange sad country As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately I think this is one of the points I was trying to make. If everyone who is involved in political protest is classed as a terrorist then there will be an awful lot of travel bans. I don't have any info on whether only a few people were targeted by the airlines and, if so, what was the criteria? Were those people who were denied boarding identified as the ringleaders or had been videoed specifically engaging in terrorist activities (say violence & intimidation rather than insurrection). I would not class entering/occupying a Govt building as a terrorist activity without further evidence of violence or intimidation. Did the airlines act unilaterally in making this determination or were they reacting to a request from the police or other govt dept? Is the level of paranoia within the US such that most people seriously believe these protesters in Washington would cause harm to their own scheduled flight that they were booked on? Without knowing the specific circumstances of the individuals concerned, it all seems a bit over the top to me.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 12, 2021 8:12:24 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few A strange sad country As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately Standard response to try to muddy the water by making it look like Democrats are "just as bad". You've made a few of these posts on this thread, waga. It won't kill you to just accept that Trump is a dangerous populist capable of inciting his supporters into violence, simple as that, without having to try to drag the Democrats into it as a rather obvious attempt to make them seem as bad as each other!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 12, 2021 8:33:57 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few A strange sad country As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately Standard response to try to muddy the water by making it look like Democrats are "just as bad". You've made a few of these posts on this thread, waga. It won't kill you to just accept that Trump is a dangerous populist capable of inciting his supporters into violence, simple as that, without having to try to drag the Democrats into it as a rather obvious attempt to make them seem as bad as each other! And none of these posts have praised trumps actions And in some occasions some democrat supporters are as equally as bad to turn round and paint it as trump bad democrats good Is neither the truth or serves a purpose So do you believe those who broke into the capital building are terrorists If so why I believe in this current world climate authorities should be concentrating on preventing real terrorists I’m sure you know the type But just in case there the ones who are likely to stab shoot wipe people out with vans Or if there really sophisticated bomb the shit out of you Not labelling a bunch of redneck idiots to score cheap political points
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Post by Linx on Jan 12, 2021 9:21:50 GMT
Arnie! Arnie!! Arnie! You might have read about this, but just in case you haven’t seen it:
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 12, 2021 9:25:16 GMT
Standard response to try to muddy the water by making it look like Democrats are "just as bad". You've made a few of these posts on this thread, waga. It won't kill you to just accept that Trump is a dangerous populist capable of inciting his supporters into violence, simple as that, without having to try to drag the Democrats into it as a rather obvious attempt to make them seem as bad as each other! And none of these posts have praised trumps actions And in some occasions some democrat supporters are as equally as bad to turn round and paint it as trump bad democrats good Is neither the truth or serves a purpose So do you believe those who broke into the capital building are terrorists If so why I believe in this current world climate authorities should be concentrating on preventing real terrorists I’m sure you know the type But just in case there the ones who are likely to stab shoot wipe people out with vans Or if there really sophisticated bomb the shit out of you Not labelling a bunch of redneck idiots to score cheap political points I didn't say you had praised Trump's actions, simply that you have made some rather obvious attempts to drag the Democrats into the same morass in order to try to make them look as bad as each other. Presumably because you don't like the fact that the 'right', which is your freely admitted natural home, is, in America at least, currently responsible for rioting and seditious acts under the auspices of a dangerously out of control right-wing president and his supporters. Like I said, it wouldn't kill you just to acknowledge that and leave it at that, rather than try to level things up a bit by seeking to drag the Democrats in! Or muddy the waters over what constitutes a terrorist! I've no idea what the authorities are doing regarding the rioters but if they are now finding themselves as 'terrorists', 'criminals' or whatever, perhaps they might now realise that their violent actions at the heart of America's government carry unfortunate consequences for them. If you want to blame anyone for the circumstances these fools find themselves in, blame Trump!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 12, 2021 9:30:27 GMT
Arnie! Arnie!! Arnie! You might have read about this, but just in case you haven’t seen it: I did see that, and while I can totally understand where he's coming from having grown up in Nazi ruined Austria, I got to about five minutes and thought, he's going on a bit here isn't he!
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Post by Linx on Jan 12, 2021 9:48:10 GMT
The subject us called Citizenship and already exists in schools. As a compulsory core subject? Not in my kids' school! But fair enough if it exists already. Do you sit a GCSE exam at the end? If not, you should. And a good result in it should be as strong a signal to prospective employers as obtaining decent maths and English qualifications. Citizenship was introduced as a compulsory element in the National curriculum several years ago but it was always a bit of a ‘Cinderella subject’ on the periphery of the timetable and used to pad out any spare capacity in teachers’ weeks. So its delivery has always been inconsistent and under resourced; not necessarily the schools fault - the government threw it in without the money to implement it and the schools don’t get assessed by its results in league tables, so its fate was always inevitable. It is often called different things in different schools, like Personal, Social and Moral Education. In many schools, it is not delivered discretely, but through other subjects like history, geography and RE, plus assemblies and tutor time.
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Post by Northy on Jan 12, 2021 9:53:33 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few A strange sad country As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately Boston marathon wasn't it?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 12, 2021 9:55:35 GMT
The fact the Americans are dumb enough to describes a hot headed mob as terrorists Really be littles the thousands of people who have died in the hands of real terrorists twin towers Lockerbie and the Chicago marathon to name a few A strange sad country As for trump being deranged have they looked at mad Nancy lately Boston marathon wasn't it? Sorry wrong northeastern city
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 13, 2021 9:53:18 GMT
I'm sure that nobody on here is using Parler as there main source of news and information about the largely peaceful protest (with a few bad eggs) at The Capitol. But just in case you are, everything you may have said on there has been captured, whether you deleted it or not, as the site was set up in the most amateurish way possible. With a bit of luck, there are more than just American loons on there that have been incriminating themselves. link
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 15:52:29 GMT
As a compulsory core subject? Not in my kids' school! But fair enough if it exists already. Do you sit a GCSE exam at the end? If not, you should. And a good result in it should be as strong a signal to prospective employers as obtaining decent maths and English qualifications. Citizenship was introduced as a compulsory element in the National curriculum several years ago but it was always a bit of a ‘Cinderella subject’ on the periphery of the timetable and used to pad out any spare capacity in teachers’ weeks. So its delivery has always been inconsistent and under resourced; not necessarily the schools fault - the government threw it in without the money to implement it and the schools don’t get assessed by its results in league tables, so its fate was always inevitable. It is often called different things in different schools, like Personal, Social and Moral Education. In many schools, it is not delivered discretely, but through other subjects like history, geography and RE, plus assemblies and tutor time. Right, thank you, Linx, for that excellent summary. It appears that it varies around the country in terms of its delivery and isn't a core subject requiring the taking of an exam. Wonder what would happen if you did make it a core subject and failing to pass at GCSE meant you were too lazy/apathetic/stupid to qualify to vote
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