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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 19:40:34 GMT
I'm sure it is used oppressively but to call it oppressive across the board is basically balls. Simply extraordinary Mo. You don’t half post some drivel at times. But I never had you down as a misogynist. No I just hear what Muslim women say. But you're obviously 'with' Johnson on this one. Talk about drivel, eh?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 8, 2020 19:51:53 GMT
Simply extraordinary Mo. You don’t half post some drivel at times. But I never had you down as a misogynist. No I just hear what Muslim women say. But you're obviously 'with' Johnson on this one. Talk about drivel, eh? Not with anyone particularly. I think the burka is a form of sexist patriarchal oppression. I guess you think FGM is ok because you will, no doubt, find some women who support the practice. Same logic.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 8, 2020 19:52:40 GMT
I’ll remind you of that next time you have a dig at the gang Ahhh, you're upset. I know 'the gang' are guilty of some of the most heinous and offensive baiting of some members of society (usually the weakest) but essentially you're just..... Hmmmmmmmm
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 8, 2020 19:54:08 GMT
I have not posted on this thread before (unless I am having a senior moment) as I cannot remember when there was an impressive American President, and not much interested. The BBC has been criticized today for the amount of coverage the present election has been given. I can say present as they are still counting. The BBC spokesperson's response was that the coverage was justified by its world importance. I think the importance and power of the US President is overstated. Laws have to be passed by the House of Representatives and the Senate and American courts are a law unto themselves. Consequently the power of the President can be severely curtailed, not least in terms of finance. The best example I can think of is Bush's Guantanomo Bay camp in Cuba. Was it a detainee, internment, prison, or torture camp? In any event a fresh young President by the name of Obama who gave us new hope of a liberal, caring, leader made it his number 1 priority and the first oder he signed was to initiate its closure. Guess what? 8 years later Obama left power and the facility was, and still is, there. www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/22/hillary-clinton-diplomatic-foreign-policyThe article is eleven years old, note the young man applauding on the left. Excuse me if I'm missing something obvious but if he signed an order for it to be closed why didn't it? Because Congress put obstacles in place. As I said the President isn't as powerful as people suppose. When Obama left power , Trump reversed the order. I wonder if Biden will act? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_campI wonder how far Trumps Mexico wall got? Roosevelt had great difficulty in WWII supporting the UK due to opposition in the Congress to getting involved in what many Americans saw as a European war, until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. Churchill was "pleased" with Pearl Harbour, because up to that point victory was in doubt. After Pearl Harbour Churchill knew we would not lose.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 19:59:03 GMT
No I just hear what Muslim women say. But you're obviously 'with' Johnson on this one. Talk about drivel, eh? Not with anyone particularly. I think the burka is a form of sexist patriarchal oppression. I guess you think FGM is ok because you will, no doubt, find some women who support the practice. Same logic. Wow, that's a leap. I don't want to tell women what to wear (or have the arrogance to presume that I know better than them) and that means I approve the mutilation of their sexual organs. Again. Wow.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 20:00:06 GMT
Ahhh, you're upset. I know 'the gang' are guilty of some of the most heinous and offensive baiting of some members of society (usually the weakest) but essentially you're just..... Hmmmmmmmm You may have to expand on that as it means absolutely nothing in its current form.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 8, 2020 20:10:21 GMT
Not with anyone particularly. I think the burka is a form of sexist patriarchal oppression. I guess you think FGM is ok because you will, no doubt, find some women who support the practice. Same logic. Wow, that's a leap. I don't want to tell women what to wear (or have the arrogance to presume that I know better than them) and that means I approve the mutilation of their sexual organs. Again. Wow. The argument you apply to burkas can also be applied to FGM. In other words it’s a specious, fence-sitting argument you are employing. You are defending the oppression of women by saying it’s ok because some women are ok with it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 20:16:49 GMT
Wow, that's a leap. I don't want to tell women what to wear (or have the arrogance to presume that I know better than them) and that means I approve the mutilation of their sexual organs. Again. Wow. The argument you apply to burkas can also be applied to FGM. In other words it’s a specious, fence-sitting argument you are employing. You are defending the oppression of women by saying it’s ok because some women are ok with it. Fucking letterbox looking, bank robber styled daft women. Have I got you right?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 8, 2020 20:25:49 GMT
The argument you apply to burkas can also be applied to FGM. In other words it’s a specious, fence-sitting argument you are employing. You are defending the oppression of women by saying it’s ok because some women are ok with it. Fucking letterbox looking, bank robber styled daft women. Have I got you right? No.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 20:26:50 GMT
Fucking letterbox looking, bank robber styled daft women. Have I got you right? No. Oh right. Cos thats what you're saying?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 8, 2020 20:39:14 GMT
Oh right. Cos thats what you're saying? Nope. But it’s crystal clear that you are a supporter of FGM who regrets the emancipation of women and, quite probably, would prefer they weren’t allowed to drive. Cos that’s what you’re saying?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 21:31:02 GMT
Oh right. Cos thats what you're saying? Nope. But it’s crystal clear that you are a supporter of FGM who regrets the emancipation of women and, quite probably, would prefer they weren’t allowed to drive. Cos that’s what you’re saying? I dunno. You obviously speak with authority for Muslim women far more than I do. You speak about their fashions and their genitals with consummate ease.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 8, 2020 21:39:47 GMT
Like Brexit you mean four and a half years on and counting, deliberate blocking, stalling, court case etc should have just accepted the vote and got on with the will of the people let's hope the Trump supporters show a bit more class than the whinging, whining, bitching moaning libtards in the UK have or Trump could still be situe for the foreseeable. Catch on quick you do boss. My final hope is that the popular vote finishes 52-48 and to watch all you Trump sympathising, brexit supporting gammons crying endlessly over the next 5 years. Why would I give a flying fcuk about Trump sweetie ?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 8, 2020 21:41:58 GMT
Nope. But it’s crystal clear that you are a supporter of FGM who regrets the emancipation of women and, quite probably, would prefer they weren’t allowed to drive. Cos that’s what you’re saying? I dunno. You obviously speak with authority for Muslim women far more than I do. You speak about their fashions and their genitals with consummate ease. I’m certainly no authority, although compared to you I can see why you might think I am.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2020 21:48:34 GMT
I dunno. You obviously speak with authority for Muslim women far more than I do. You speak about their fashions and their genitals with consummate ease. I’m certainly no authority, although compared to you I can see why you might think I am. Well I'll just have to rely on the testimony and experience of Muslim women since his fuckwitted comments and leave it at that then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 22:24:25 GMT
I’m certainly no authority, although compared to you I can see why you might think I am. Well I'll just have to rely on the testimony and experience of Muslim women since his fuckwitted comments and leave it at that then. The people responsible for the 375% rise in hate crimes towards Muslims and in particular women wearing niqab’s the week after clearly didn’t understand Johnson’s nuanced comments......
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Post by mjg13x on Nov 8, 2020 22:36:11 GMT
I volunteered over 200 hours on Biden's campaign and couldn't be more pleased with this result. The two Senate runoff elections in Georgia are now crucial to the next two years -- either the Democrats take control of a 50-50 Senate (with VP-elect Harris as the tiebreaking vote) or the Republicans have a 52-48 majority and Biden is severely limited in what he can do. Congratulations. As someone who clearly knows his onions. How do you think his victory will impact on the U.K.? Thank you! Here's an NPR (National Public Radio, basically our closest equivalent to the BBC) article that breaks it down really well.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 8, 2020 22:51:57 GMT
I’m certainly no authority, although compared to you I can see why you might think I am. Well I'll just have to rely on the testimony and experience of Muslim women since his fuckwitted comments and leave it at that then. Since when have many Muslim women been allowed to express their testimony or opinion openly ? do you agree with arranged/forced marriages, honour killings and FGM Mo ? why is it that so many Muslim women in the UK can not speak English is it because of oppression in their own community ? does Islam promote equal rights/opportunities for females in it's teachings ? are Islamic beliefs' compatible with modern Western lifestyles ? do you believe Sharia law is compatible with western belief's ? so many questions how many will you answer or do you continue to ignore the large grey mammal sitting in the room shitting all over the place
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 8, 2020 23:16:14 GMT
Congratulations. As someone who clearly knows his onions. How do you think his victory will impact on the U.K.? Thank you! Here's an NPR (National Public Radio, basically our closest equivalent to the BBC) article that breaks it down really well. Link won’t work unfortunately
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 7:56:25 GMT
Well I'll just have to rely on the testimony and experience of Muslim women since his fuckwitted comments and leave it at that then. The people responsible for the 375% rise in hate crimes towards Muslims and in particular women wearing niqab’s the week after clearly didn’t understand Johnson’s nuanced comments...... You really do suck up MSM nonsense don’t you. That data is a lot of tosh. Thankfully there are some folk who look beyond the sensational headline to uncover a degree of truth... Don’t blame Boris for hate crime A report on anti-Muslim abuse doesn't tell the whole story. The conclusion to the analysis in that piece is worth highlighting (the italics are mine)... “ Tell MAMA aren’t a polling company: they exist to give Muslims a place to report the abuse and attacks they find themselves on the end of. I don’t blame them for trying to collate that data and turn it into something useful. But the media should know better than to take the dramatic numbers it comes up with at face value, assume a causal link where none can be shown, and then plaster the whole thing under a dramatic headline. Britain already feels like a powder keg, and these are just more sparks flying around.”
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 9, 2020 8:10:23 GMT
Excuse me if I'm missing something obvious but if he signed an order for it to be closed why didn't it? Because Congress put obstacles in place. As I said the President isn't as powerful as people suppose. When Obama left power , Trump reversed the order. I wonder if Biden will act? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_campI wonder how far Trumps Mexico wall got? Roosevelt had great difficulty in WWII supporting the UK due to opposition in the Congress to getting involved in what many Americans saw as a European war, until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. Churchill was "pleased" with Pearl Harbour, because up to that point victory was in doubt. After Pearl Harbour Churchill knew we would not lose. No-one cares about Guantanamo, so no, he won't. The Mexican wall? Not very far, as everyone except Trump supporters knew it was bullshit. America had a policy of isolationism throughout much of the first half of the twentieth century. Hence their delayed involvements in both world wars. They certainly made up for it in the second half!
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 9, 2020 9:15:22 GMT
Have you read the article? I’m curious to know if you agree or disagree with the argument he is making which is this... the burka is oppressive and ridiculous – but that's still no reason to ban it. I dare say there is more of a spike of anti Muslim crimes following atrocities such as Manchester, Lee Rigby, London Bridge, which are happening all too often, rather than Boris's comments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 9:42:02 GMT
The people responsible for the 375% rise in hate crimes towards Muslims and in particular women wearing niqab’s the week after clearly didn’t understand Johnson’s nuanced comments...... You really do suck up MSM nonsense don’t you. That data is a lot of tosh. Thankfully there are some folk who look beyond the sensational headline to uncover a degree of truth... Don’t blame Boris for hate crime A report on anti-Muslim abuse doesn't tell the whole story. The conclusion to the analysis in that piece is worth highlighting (the italics are mine)... “ Tell MAMA aren’t a polling company: they exist to give Muslims a place to report the abuse and attacks they find themselves on the end of. I don’t blame them for trying to collate that data and turn it into something useful. But the media should know better than to take the dramatic numbers it comes up with at face value, assume a causal link where none can be shown, and then plaster the whole thing under a dramatic headline. Britain already feels like a powder keg, and these are just more sparks flying around.” Random man on a random website writes opinion piece full of ifs, buts and maybes. It's amazing how you'll veer from the MSM narrative when it involves defending Johnson, but parrot it at other times. He's lucky to have you up in Scotland fighting the good fight.....
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 9:46:13 GMT
You really do suck up MSM nonsense don’t you. That data is a lot of tosh. Thankfully there are some folk who look beyond the sensational headline to uncover a degree of truth... Don’t blame Boris for hate crime A report on anti-Muslim abuse doesn't tell the whole story. The conclusion to the analysis in that piece is worth highlighting (the italics are mine)... “ Tell MAMA aren’t a polling company: they exist to give Muslims a place to report the abuse and attacks they find themselves on the end of. I don’t blame them for trying to collate that data and turn it into something useful. But the media should know better than to take the dramatic numbers it comes up with at face value, assume a causal link where none can be shown, and then plaster the whole thing under a dramatic headline. Britain already feels like a powder keg, and these are just more sparks flying around.” Random man on a random website writes opinion piece full of ifs, buts and maybes. It's amazing how you'll veer from the MSM narrative when it involves defending Johnson, but parrot it at other times. He's lucky to have you up in Scotland fighting the good fight..... You’re a sort of “forget the message, shoot the messenger type” aren’t you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 9:53:02 GMT
Random man on a random website writes opinion piece full of ifs, buts and maybes. It's amazing how you'll veer from the MSM narrative when it involves defending Johnson, but parrot it at other times. He's lucky to have you up in Scotland fighting the good fight..... You’re a sort of “forget the message, shoot the messenger type” aren’t you. The message was an average piece of writing full of supposition, the messenger seeks balance only when it suits. I can't really be any clearer than that........
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 10:26:38 GMT
You’re a sort of “forget the message, shoot the messenger type” aren’t you. The message was an average piece of writing full of supposition, the messenger seeks balance only when it suits. I can't really be any clearer than that........ Nope. It was a pretty good explanation of why the headline figure you quoted is not to be trusted. On the other hand you happen to like the headline figure which is clearly sufficient for you. There is none as blind as those that choose not to see. Which sums up your opinion on this topic.
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Post by musik on Nov 9, 2020 10:42:47 GMT
Boris Johnson really likes Biden.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 10:48:17 GMT
The message was an average piece of writing full of supposition, the messenger seeks balance only when it suits. I can't really be any clearer than that........ Nope. It was a pretty good explanation of why the headline figure you quoted is not to be trusted. On the other hand you happen to like the headline figure which is clearly sufficient for you. There is none as blind as those that choose not to see. Which sums up your opinion on this topic. It was a pretty good explanation IN YOUR OPINION, not mine. I thought it was average at best. Get over it and move on.......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2020 10:53:07 GMT
The people responsible for the 375% rise in hate crimes towards Muslims and in particular women wearing niqab’s the week after clearly didn’t understand Johnson’s nuanced comments...... That data is a lot of tosh. ” Tell Mama is a Government backed organisation.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 12:07:44 GMT
That data is a lot of tosh. ” Tell Mama is a Government backed organisation. Which means they aren’t capable of producing a lot of tosh? I think you’ll find the bit you omitted when quoting me explains why the data is tosh.
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