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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2020 12:10:28 GMT
Well I'll just have to rely on the testimony and experience of Muslim women since his fuckwitted comments and leave it at that then. Since when have many Muslim women been allowed to express their testimony or opinion openly ? do you agree with arranged/forced marriages, honour killings and FGM Mo ? why is it that so many Muslim women in the UK can not speak English is it because of oppression in their own community ? does Islam promote equal rights/opportunities for females in it's teachings ? are Islamic beliefs' compatible with modern Western lifestyles ? do you believe Sharia law is compatible with western belief's ? so many questions how many will you answer or do you continue to ignore the large grey mammal sitting in the room shitting all over the place The Muslim women I know are very open with their opinions
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 12:15:42 GMT
Since when have many Muslim women been allowed to express their testimony or opinion openly ? do you agree with arranged/forced marriages, honour killings and FGM Mo ? why is it that so many Muslim women in the UK can not speak English is it because of oppression in their own community ? does Islam promote equal rights/opportunities for females in it's teachings ? are Islamic beliefs' compatible with modern Western lifestyles ? do you believe Sharia law is compatible with western belief's ? so many questions how many will you answer or do you continue to ignore the large grey mammal sitting in the room shitting all over the place The Muslim women I know are very open with their opinions Same. I think that's the difference between having face to face conversations/living amongst Muslims, rather than sniping at them from behind a keyboard......
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 9, 2020 12:15:50 GMT
Nope. It was a pretty good explanation of why the headline figure you quoted is not to be trusted. On the other hand you happen to like the headline figure which is clearly sufficient for you. There is none as blind as those that choose not to see. Which sums up your opinion on this topic. It was a pretty good explanation IN YOUR OPINION, not mine. I thought it was average at best. Get over it and move on....... Classic partick mate. He only really has other people’s opinions to fall back on, none of his own. He did this on another thread some time ago, passing off 20 year old opinion columns as if they were academic theses He’ll be along with some screen shots of a film about multiple personality disorder anytime now because he doesn’t have an argument
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2020 12:16:25 GMT
Tell Mama is a Government backed organisation. Which means they aren’t capable of producing a lot of tosh? I think you’ll find the bit you omitted when quoting me explains why the data is tosh. You're trying to paint them as some sort of crank outfit when in fact they are engaged by Government to track and report on trends such as these. Wrong sort of data or wrong sort of victims?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2020 13:12:31 GMT
Since when have many Muslim women been allowed to express their testimony or opinion openly ? do you agree with arranged/forced marriages, honour killings and FGM Mo ? why is it that so many Muslim women in the UK can not speak English is it because of oppression in their own community ? does Islam promote equal rights/opportunities for females in it's teachings ? are Islamic beliefs' compatible with modern Western lifestyles ? do you believe Sharia law is compatible with western belief's ? so many questions how many will you answer or do you continue to ignore the large grey mammal sitting in the room shitting all over the place The Muslim women I know are very open with their opinions Are you the official spokesman for Chairman Mo. ?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 13:17:55 GMT
Which means they aren’t capable of producing a lot of tosh? I think you’ll find the bit you omitted when quoting me explains why the data is tosh. You're trying to paint them as some sort of crank outfit when in fact they are engaged by Government to track and report on trends such as these. Wrong sort of data or wrong sort of victims? Not at all. In fact the quote I used, that you decided to remove (I’ve noticed you have a disingenuous habit of editing stuff to remove context) pays respect to the organisation but criticises MSM for sensationalising data. I extend that criticism to folk who then quote the MSM as something akin to gospel. “MAMA aren’t a polling company: they exist to give Muslims a place to report the abuse and attacks they find themselves on the end of. I don’t blame them for trying to collate that data and turn it into something useful. But the media should know better than to take the dramatic numbers it comes up with at face value, assume a causal link where none can be shown, and then plaster the whole thing under a dramatic headline. Britain already feels like a powder keg, and these are just more sparks flying around”. So, maybe read more carefully what is written and try and avoid deleting stuff when you quote. You might then better understand what is being said.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 13:19:55 GMT
It was a pretty good explanation IN YOUR OPINION, not mine. I thought it was average at best. Get over it and move on....... Classic partick mate. He only really has other people’s opinions to fall back on, none of his own. He did this on another thread some time ago, passing off 20 year old opinion columns as if they were academic theses He’ll be along with some screen shots of a film about multiple personality disorder anytime now because he doesn’t have an argument Whereas you have several personal opinions to fall back on. Lucky you.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 13:21:04 GMT
The Muslim women I know are very open with their opinions Same. I think that's the difference between having face to face conversations/living amongst Muslims, rather than sniping at them from behind a keyboard...... Sniping from behind a keyboard. That is you to a T.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2020 13:27:50 GMT
You're trying to paint them as some sort of crank outfit when in fact they are engaged by Government to track and report on trends such as these. Wrong sort of data or wrong sort of victims? Not at all. In fact the quote I used, that you decided to remove (I’ve noticed you have a disingenuous habit of editing stuff to remove context) pays respect to the organisation but criticises MSM for sensationalising data. I extend that criticism to folk who then quote the MSM as something akin to gospel. “MAMA aren’t a polling company: they exist to give Muslims a place to report the abuse and attacks they find themselves on the end of. I don’t blame them for trying to collate that data and turn it into something useful. But the media should know better than to take the dramatic numbers it comes up with at face value, assume a causal link where none can be shown, and then plaster the whole thing under a dramatic headline. Britain already feels like a powder keg, and these are just more sparks flying around”. So, maybe read more carefully what is written and try and avoid deleting stuff when you quote. You might then better understand what is being said. Are you disputing the figures themselves or suggesting their proximity to Johnsons offensive crap was merely coincidence?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 13:36:56 GMT
Same. I think that's the difference between having face to face conversations/living amongst Muslims, rather than sniping at them from behind a keyboard...... Sniping from behind a keyboard. That is you to a T. If you say so fella. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me, but you're more than entitled to it........
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Post by mjg13x on Nov 9, 2020 13:40:34 GMT
Thank you! Here's an NPR (National Public Radio, basically our closest equivalent to the BBC) article that breaks it down really well. Link won’t work unfortunately Sorry about that! I'll paste it in here: What A Joe Biden Presidency Might Mean For The U.K. November 3, 20209:26 AM ET With Joe Biden ahead in the polls, many in Europe are wondering what U.S. foreign policy might look like if the former vice president wins the White House. If President Trump is defeated in Tuesday's election, one loser in the region could be British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Trump's closest ally in Europe. While Trump has often denigrated other European leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, he's chummy with Johnson, who, like Trump, is seen as a populist showman. "He's a good guy," Trump said of Johnson last year. "He's a friend of mine." More significantly, Trump has backed two of Johnson's key policy priorities: Brexit and a free-trade deal with the U.S., the world's largest economy. But Biden, who opposed Brexit, would have different priorities if he becomes president. Unlike Trump, Biden values the trans-Atlantic relationship with Europe and hopes to rebuild ties with allies like Germany and France that Trump has insulted and alienated. Over the past four years, Trump characterized some NATO countries as freeloaders for not spending enough on defense, and he has called the European Union a "foe." Mending fences could take Biden some time and would delay Britain getting a trade deal with the U.S. until 2022 or beyond. "The symbolic importance and value of that agreement cannot be overstated," said Mujtaba Rahman, managing director for Europe with Eurasia Group, a risk management firm. "The entire legitimacy and credibility of Brexit on some level hangs on the government's ability to land an agreement with the U.S." A Biden presidency would also put more pressure on Johnson to abandon his threat of a no-deal Brexit and conclude a trade deal with the European Union. The United Kingdom is in a Brexit transition period that expires at the end of this year. Biden, who is of Irish descent, has warned Johnson not to mess around in negotiations with the EU or do anything that could undermine the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. "Joe Biden's personal stake and role in this has been absolutely key in forcing a change of position in Downing Street vis-à-vis the EU in those talks," Rahman says. The coronavirus pandemic, which has deeply damaged the British economy, also makes it more difficult and costly for Johnson to follow through on his threat of a no-deal Brexit. While a Biden presidency could create challenges for Johnson's administration, the two governments would probably find common ground on issues including combating climate change and managing Iran's nuclear ambitions. And there might be another clear upside. "Downing Street has found dealing with Trump a nightmare," Rahman says. "He's unpredictable, difficult to work with, has made the government's life on a whole swath of multilateral issues very difficult to navigate."
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 9, 2020 13:48:37 GMT
Get yourself one of these, mjg13x
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 14:36:59 GMT
Not at all. In fact the quote I used, that you decided to remove (I’ve noticed you have a disingenuous habit of editing stuff to remove context) pays respect to the organisation but criticises MSM for sensationalising data. I extend that criticism to folk who then quote the MSM as something akin to gospel. “MAMA aren’t a polling company: they exist to give Muslims a place to report the abuse and attacks they find themselves on the end of. I don’t blame them for trying to collate that data and turn it into something useful. But the media should know better than to take the dramatic numbers it comes up with at face value, assume a causal link where none can be shown, and then plaster the whole thing under a dramatic headline. Britain already feels like a powder keg, and these are just more sparks flying around”. So, maybe read more carefully what is written and try and avoid deleting stuff when you quote. You might then better understand what is being said. Are you disputing the figures themselves or suggesting their proximity to Johnsons offensive crap was merely coincidence? I'm suggesting you read the article. It's pretty straightforward. It's a guff number.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 14:38:35 GMT
Sniping from behind a keyboard. That is you to a T. If you say so fella. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me, but you're more than entitled to it........ You seem to get awfully huffy about stuff that means nothing to you. But, whatever...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 9, 2020 14:56:17 GMT
Link won’t work unfortunately Sorry about that! I'll paste it in here: What A Joe Biden Presidency Might Mean For The U.K. November 3, 20209:26 AM ET With Joe Biden ahead in the polls, many in Europe are wondering what U.S. foreign policy might look like if the former vice president wins the White House. If President Trump is defeated in Tuesday's election, one loser in the region could be British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Trump's closest ally in Europe. While Trump has often denigrated other European leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, he's chummy with Johnson, who, like Trump, is seen as a populist showman. "He's a good guy," Trump said of Johnson last year. "He's a friend of mine." More significantly, Trump has backed two of Johnson's key policy priorities: Brexit and a free-trade deal with the U.S., the world's largest economy. But Biden, who opposed Brexit, would have different priorities if he becomes president. Unlike Trump, Biden values the trans-Atlantic relationship with Europe and hopes to rebuild ties with allies like Germany and France that Trump has insulted and alienated. Over the past four years, Trump characterized some NATO countries as freeloaders for not spending enough on defense, and he has called the European Union a "foe." Mending fences could take Biden some time and would delay Britain getting a trade deal with the U.S. until 2022 or beyond. "The symbolic importance and value of that agreement cannot be overstated," said Mujtaba Rahman, managing director for Europe with Eurasia Group, a risk management firm. "The entire legitimacy and credibility of Brexit on some level hangs on the government's ability to land an agreement with the U.S." A Biden presidency would also put more pressure on Johnson to abandon his threat of a no-deal Brexit and conclude a trade deal with the European Union. The United Kingdom is in a Brexit transition period that expires at the end of this year. Biden, who is of Irish descent, has warned Johnson not to mess around in negotiations with the EU or do anything that could undermine the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. "Joe Biden's personal stake and role in this has been absolutely key in forcing a change of position in Downing Street vis-à-vis the EU in those talks," Rahman says. The coronavirus pandemic, which has deeply damaged the British economy, also makes it more difficult and costly for Johnson to follow through on his threat of a no-deal Brexit. While a Biden presidency could create challenges for Johnson's administration, the two governments would probably find common ground on issues including combating climate change and managing Iran's nuclear ambitions. And there might be another clear upside. "Downing Street has found dealing with Trump a nightmare," Rahman says. "He's unpredictable, difficult to work with, has made the government's life on a whole swath of multilateral issues very difficult to navigate." Thanks for that interesting stuff. So reading between the lines not looking good for the U.K.?
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 9, 2020 15:14:54 GMT
Boris Johnson really likes Biden. I really like Boris Johnson
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2020 15:41:52 GMT
Are you disputing the figures themselves or suggesting their proximity to Johnsons offensive crap was merely coincidence? I'm suggesting you read the article. It's pretty straightforward. It's a guff number. So Muslim's are making it up?
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Post by mjg13x on Nov 9, 2020 16:10:16 GMT
Sorry about that! I'll paste it in here: What A Joe Biden Presidency Might Mean For The U.K. November 3, 20209:26 AM ET With Joe Biden ahead in the polls, many in Europe are wondering what U.S. foreign policy might look like if the former vice president wins the White House. If President Trump is defeated in Tuesday's election, one loser in the region could be British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Trump's closest ally in Europe. While Trump has often denigrated other European leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, he's chummy with Johnson, who, like Trump, is seen as a populist showman. "He's a good guy," Trump said of Johnson last year. "He's a friend of mine." More significantly, Trump has backed two of Johnson's key policy priorities: Brexit and a free-trade deal with the U.S., the world's largest economy. But Biden, who opposed Brexit, would have different priorities if he becomes president. Unlike Trump, Biden values the trans-Atlantic relationship with Europe and hopes to rebuild ties with allies like Germany and France that Trump has insulted and alienated. Over the past four years, Trump characterized some NATO countries as freeloaders for not spending enough on defense, and he has called the European Union a "foe." Mending fences could take Biden some time and would delay Britain getting a trade deal with the U.S. until 2022 or beyond. "The symbolic importance and value of that agreement cannot be overstated," said Mujtaba Rahman, managing director for Europe with Eurasia Group, a risk management firm. "The entire legitimacy and credibility of Brexit on some level hangs on the government's ability to land an agreement with the U.S." A Biden presidency would also put more pressure on Johnson to abandon his threat of a no-deal Brexit and conclude a trade deal with the European Union. The United Kingdom is in a Brexit transition period that expires at the end of this year. Biden, who is of Irish descent, has warned Johnson not to mess around in negotiations with the EU or do anything that could undermine the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. "Joe Biden's personal stake and role in this has been absolutely key in forcing a change of position in Downing Street vis-à-vis the EU in those talks," Rahman says. The coronavirus pandemic, which has deeply damaged the British economy, also makes it more difficult and costly for Johnson to follow through on his threat of a no-deal Brexit. While a Biden presidency could create challenges for Johnson's administration, the two governments would probably find common ground on issues including combating climate change and managing Iran's nuclear ambitions. And there might be another clear upside. "Downing Street has found dealing with Trump a nightmare," Rahman says. "He's unpredictable, difficult to work with, has made the government's life on a whole swath of multilateral issues very difficult to navigate." Thanks for that interesting stuff. So reading between the lines not looking good for the U.K.? You're welcome! More or less, unfortunately, it doesn't look too great for you all.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 9, 2020 16:31:22 GMT
I'm suggesting you read the article. It's pretty straightforward. It's a guff number. So Muslim's are making it up? I think we’ve exhausted this particular side discussion. You cant be arsed reading the piece I shared explaining why the data presented is guff. I cant be arsed repeating myself anymore. The end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 16:55:47 GMT
So Muslim's are making it up? I think we’ve exhausted this particular side discussion. You cant be arsed reading the piece I shared explaining why the data presented is guff. I cant be arsed repeating myself anymore. The end. Maybe like me he just read it, and really wasn't convinced by the spurious nature of some of it? Typing "The End" on a forum for debate is always a mature look by the way
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 9, 2020 17:03:29 GMT
As much as i think the US needed Trump out I’m struggling to think that a bloke that is 78 in 11 days time is the answer to all their issues🤔Watching him talk at the minute he’s struggling with the autocue and to think he’ll be 82 at the end of his term🤔
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 9, 2020 17:06:56 GMT
Thanks for that interesting stuff. So reading between the lines not looking good for the U.K.? You're welcome! More or less, unfortunately, it doesn't look too great for you all. Well it’s what most of here wanted so long term there can’t be any grumbling if he shafts the U.K.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2020 17:10:07 GMT
As much as i think the US needed Trump out I’m struggling to think that a bloke that is 78 in 11 days time is the answer to all their issues🤔Watching him talk at the minute he’s struggling with the autocue and to think he’ll be 82 at the end of his term🤔 Just seen that oh my God, is he really fit enough to be the leader of the free World the plan has to be retiring him asap and replacing him with the vice president, he's verging on the edge of dementia FFS.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 9, 2020 17:13:10 GMT
As much as i think the US needed Trump out I’m struggling to think that a bloke that is 78 in 11 days time is the answer to all their issues🤔Watching him talk at the minute he’s struggling with the autocue and to think he’ll be 82 at the end of his term🤔 Just seen that oh my God, is he really fit enough to be the leader of the free World the plan has to be retiring him asap and replacing him with the vice president, he's verging on the edge of dementia FFS. As much as the yanks will be happy with what’s gone on I’d be extremely concerned about Biden and how long he’ll last as president,I suppose Harris will be in situ come 2024
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2020 17:13:43 GMT
So Muslim's are making it up? I think we’ve exhausted this particular side discussion. You cant be arsed reading the piece I shared explaining why the data presented is guff. I cant be arsed repeating myself anymore. The end. Its a rotten article. The headline says 'don't blame Johnson for hate crime' before actually admitting in the body his words caused hate crime! I'm simply trying to establish what you think and why you want to diminish what some Muslim woman have experienced. It can't be based on that tripe can it?
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2020 17:16:08 GMT
The Muslim women I know are very open with their opinions Are you the official spokesman for Chairman Mo. ? If I am I haven't received any cheques/bank transfers/green shield stamps
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 9, 2020 17:35:06 GMT
As much as i think the US needed Trump out I’m struggling to think that a bloke that is 78 in 11 days time is the answer to all their issues🤔Watching him talk at the minute he’s struggling with the autocue and to think he’ll be 82 at the end of his term🤔 Just seen that oh my God, is he really fit enough to be the leader of the free World the plan has to be retiring him asap and replacing him with the vice president, he's verging on the edge of dementia FFS. Steady on crapy. My mother in law had a sharp brain right up till she was 97. She then started to deteriorate but could still have enlightening moments shortly before she died at 102.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2020 17:37:33 GMT
I think we’ve exhausted this particular side discussion. You cant be arsed reading the piece I shared explaining why the data presented is guff. I cant be arsed repeating myself anymore. The end. Its a rotten article. The headline says 'don't blame Johnson for hate crime' before actually admitting in the body his words caused hate crime! I'm simply trying to establish what you think and why you want to diminish what some Muslim woman have experienced. It can't be based on that tripe can it? At the hands of their own communities ?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2020 17:41:45 GMT
Just seen that oh my God, is he really fit enough to be the leader of the free World the plan has to be retiring him asap and replacing him with the vice president, he's verging on the edge of dementia FFS. Steady on crapy. My mother in law had a sharp brain right up till she was 97. She then started to deteriorate but could still have enlightening moments shortly before she died at 102. She wasn't the President of the US and leader of the free world though was she ?, I might be wrong but my father started exactly the same way Biden has when he was 78 and it went downhill very quickly from that point.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 9, 2020 18:14:52 GMT
Steady on crapy. My mother in law had a sharp brain right up till she was 97. She then started to deteriorate but could still have enlightening moments shortly before she died at 102. She wasn't the President of the US and leader of the free world though was she ?, I might be wrong but my father started exactly the same way Biden has when he was 78 and it went downhill very quickly from that point. No she wasn't. (She just thought she was )
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