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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 12, 2019 18:10:41 GMT
So much money spent, and so many question marks.
With promotion looking a pipe dream, should decent offers for Allen and Butland be seriously considered this month?
Their hearts will not be in a second season in this league and they will get progressively more switched-off and disengaged.
Presumably Jones will back himself to improve some players and turn the fortunes of some players that may be considered on the fringes around? But, at this stage, it's hard to see who.
-Butland Federici Haugaard
Edwards Bauer Martina
Pieters Tymon
Shawcross Williams BMI Souttar
Woods Allen Etebo Clucas Adam Fletcher
Ince Bojan
McClean
Afobe Berahino Crouch Diouf Campbell
Most people will say Edwards
Potentially Woods?
I think Etebo will come good.
BMI? Possibly. But if he can't get in ahead of Ryan and Williams, God help him.
Ince has talent.
Campbell is young and has time and is obviously worth keeping around
Bojan deserves a final chance.
I'm still making up my mind on Clucas, but he seems a bit beige and underwhelming.
McClean surely has no future under this manager with his system, but will be hard to shift on his contract.
Berahino? Almost certainly not, but hard to shift.
Afobe? Who the hell knows. Great goal, but the only decent thing he's done in months.
Bauer (attitude question marks, who knows the truth?) and Bojan remain puzzles - but we'll know more as when we see them on the pitch over the next few months.
Pieters - almost certainly not under this manager. We're at near crisis point at left-back.
Old stagers like Crouch, Adam, Fletcher are obviously ripe for a clear-out.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 12, 2019 18:12:49 GMT
Edwards has one hell of a lot to learn
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Post by neddy on Jan 12, 2019 18:13:21 GMT
Not sure Ince will fit the system?
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Post by wuzza on Jan 12, 2019 18:14:33 GMT
Etebo and his agent will be looking to move on sharpish while he can still trade on his World Cup rep.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 12, 2019 18:15:58 GMT
It's difficult to imagine how in a first team squad of 18 training maybe 4 times a week for three hours a session how him and Gomez can coach and inspire them with probably an hour a week each tops isn't it? Some are way past redemption.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 12, 2019 18:16:38 GMT
Get rid of whoever we can and go from there. Not one of them really bothers me if they leave, Ince and young lads aside I’d listen to offers for anyone.
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Post by neddy on Jan 12, 2019 18:17:45 GMT
I would try Bauer and Bojan on Tuesday? Bring Indi back as one of the centre halves!
Etobo must play for me too.....also would consider Bojan alongside Afobe as just don’t feel Berahinho will make it....
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Post by liathroid on Jan 12, 2019 18:18:18 GMT
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 12, 2019 18:19:10 GMT
Thought Edwards was chasing shadows to day to be honest
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2019 18:19:40 GMT
So much money spent, and so many question marks. With promotion looking a pipe dream, should decent offers for Allen and Butland be seriously considered this month? Their hearts will not be in a second season in this league and they will get progressively more switched-off and disengaged. Presumably Jones will back himself to improve some players and turn the fortunes of some players that may be considered on the fringes around? But, at this stage, it's hard to see who. -Butland Federici Haugaard Edwards Bauer Martina Pieters Tymon Shawcross Williams BMI Souttar Woods Allen Etebo Clucas Adam Fletcher Ince Bojan McClean Afobe Berahino Crouch Diouf Campbell Most people will say Edwards Potentially Woods? I think Etebo will come good. BMI? Possibly. But if he can't get in ahead of Ryan and Williams, God help him. Ince has talent. Campbell is young and has time and is obviously worth keeping around Bojan deserves a final chance. I'm still making up my mind on Clucas, but he seems a bit beige and underwhelming. McClean surely has no future under this manager with his system, but will be hard to shift on his contract. Berahino? Almost certainly not, but hard to shift. Afobe? Who the hell knows. Great goal, but the only decent thing he's done in months. Bauer (attitude question marks, who knows the truth?) and Bojan remain puzzles - but we'll know more as when we see them on the pitch over the next few months. Pieters - almost certainly not under this manager. We're at near crisis point at left-back. Old stagers like Crouch, Adam, Fletcher are obviously ripe for a clear-out. Pretty much agree with all of that. Allen has to go asap. If possible, I'd hold on to Jack and then revaluate in the summer, he'll be worth as much then as he is now. I'd put Clucas in bold - to be used as a utility player from the bench. Although we haven't seen a lot of it, I'd put Afobe in bold too - his pedigree at this level is unquestionable, hopefully Jones can bring that back. It's very hard to make a case for the rest that you haven't put in bold though. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 12, 2019 18:19:40 GMT
Edwards has one hell of a lot to learn Yep, not the right time to blood him I'm afraid. Has to be Bauer |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 12, 2019 18:20:26 GMT
Wasn’t meaning to sound melodramatic or proposterous but I really would sell what we can. Not talking about this month specifically but overall.
Afobe SHOULD still be able to bag goals if we can play to his strengths
Woods was apparently the best midfielder of his kind in this division so if he can get back to that level that’d be good
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 12, 2019 18:22:23 GMT
Been thinking exactly the same. I think we'd be able to find a buyer for all of Butland, Allen, Crouch, Diouf and McClean then try to get through the season with this:
GK: Federici/ Loan GK
RB: Bauer/ Edwards
CB: Loan CB/ Shawcross
CB: Martins-Indi/Williams
LB: Loan LB/Pieters
DM: Woods/Sorenson
CM: Etebo/ Fletcher
CM: Clucas/ Adam
AM: Ince/ Shenton
F: Afobe/Campbell
F: Bojan/Berahino
We simply can't go on with Shawcross OR Williams in the team, but we're stuck with both for the rest of the year whether we want them or not.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 12, 2019 18:23:39 GMT
Thought Edwards was chasing shadows to day to be honest He was shite as he usually is, he is way too slow to be a decent fullback. If he hadn't been from the area he would have been chased out of the city! Only Bauer and Indi are worth keeping as I see it now.  |
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Post by march4 on Jan 12, 2019 18:24:53 GMT
Keep Butland, Edwards, Bauer, Bruno, Woods, Etebo, Clucas, Ince, Afobe if he can liven up and Campbell. I would retain Ryan and Crouchy until their contracts run out to keep some sensible old heads in the dressing room.
Of the rest I wouldn’t lose a lot of sleep if they left.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 12, 2019 18:24:55 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 12, 2019 18:25:17 GMT
I absolutely don’t understand Clucas.
Why was he bought and what does he bring?
Should be nowhere near the starting line up.
Squad player at best.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 12, 2019 18:25:33 GMT
Bojan, Ince, Woods, Etebo (just), Clucas and Bauer.
The rest need to be parcelled into a big van and sent down the A50 to anywhere that’s not Stoke-On-Trent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 18:27:14 GMT
Clucas is going through the stage where he can no longer get through games on adrenaline after a long lay off. He’ll come good I’m sure, Etebo needs an uninterrupted run in the side....
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 12, 2019 18:28:37 GMT
Martina, Shawcross, Williams, Allen (purely on a financial basis) Fletcher, Adam, McClean, Crouch are all expendable.
The rest need to be judged by the new manager.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 12, 2019 18:32:53 GMT
More:
than:
I would say. Rightly so too.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 12, 2019 18:34:26 GMT
Edwards has one hell of a lot to learn Yep, not the right time to blood him I'm afraid. Has to be Bauer Think that's what Jones was assessing today. Bauer now needs putting in |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 12, 2019 18:36:06 GMT
Clucas is going through the stage where he can no longer get through games on adrenaline after a long lay off. He’ll come good I’m sure, Etebo needs an uninterrupted run in the side.... Yeah, that's fair. Harsh to judge Clucas really. He's contracted 'til 2022 anyway - so he'll be one we'll be building with whether we like it or not. Same with Afobe. He's probably contracted until 2023! And Christ knows what we're going to do with Badou, Wimmer and Imbula. |
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 12, 2019 18:37:05 GMT
Wasn’t meaning to sound melodramatic or proposterous but I really would sell what we can. Not talking about this month specifically but overall. Afobe SHOULD still be able to bag goals if we can play to his strengths Woods was apparently the best midfielder of his kind in this division so if he can get back to that level that’d be good Exactly put a loan in for either Pope or heaton and sell Jack. Think he would need to go abroad tbh though.Allen should go, for all the running he's not what we need. Stoke should get a bid in for okazaki from Leicester, real scrapper of a midfield/ no10 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 18:37:38 GMT
Clucas is going through the stage where he can no longer get through games on adrenaline after a long lay off. He’ll come good I’m sure, Etebo needs an uninterrupted run in the side.... Yeah, that's fair. Harsh to judge him really. He's contracted 'til 2022 anyway - so he'll be one we'll be building with whether we like it or not. Same with Afobe. He's probably contracted until 2023! And Christ knows what we're going to do with Badou, Wimmer and Imbula. Every squad needs a player that can slot into 2/3 positions, I could see Jones playing him as a left back on the diamond formation but only when he’s fully fit and firing..... |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 12, 2019 18:44:21 GMT
Edwards has one hell of a lot to learn I really aren't sure what people see in Edwards. I accept that he's young and has much to learn and mistakes are inevitable etc but a good young player has obvious sparks and quality that shine through and lets you know that there's a good player in the making. I just don't see it with him. He makes mistakes almost every game he plays and I'd honestly say that I think Martina is better defensively right now. He has a decent cross on him but really that's all I've seen from him. I think some people are so desperate to see a home grown player come through that they're watching through rose tinted glasses and are seeing things that aren't really there. I'd love to be proven wrong and maybe with a run of games he'll do just that and ram these words down my throat. But I'm sorry I just don't see it. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 12, 2019 18:45:02 GMT
I absolutely don’t understand Clucas. Why was he bought and what does he bring? Should be nowhere near the starting line up. Squad player at best.
He was going cheap in the Swansea fire sale.
Literally that I think.
We certainly didn't go out targetting ano MF at that stage & if we did, Carto & co needed shagging.
He brings ... err ... tbc in my book. He seemed like a right wallflower today when he could have grabbed the LMF spot with both hands.
Mind you, that applies pretty much across the team - who else, apart from Jack, Ekker (for entirely the wrong reason), Woods (maybe?) & Ince (possibly?) could actually say they deserved to start in the same spot again next week?
Think Clucas is better than today's "showing" but probably not better than a fully coached Etebo on the left. So yes, a squaddie for me too unless he dramatically pulls his socks up.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 12, 2019 19:00:55 GMT
If there is a club that wants any of them I'd sell in a heartbeat. Every player should be up for sale and as 1 leaves bring in another.
Get shut of the lot of them.
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Post by generationex on Jan 12, 2019 19:11:02 GMT
Ince. Butland. Afobe (for now).
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 12, 2019 19:11:47 GMT
Try to keep Butland, BMI, Pieters, Allen, Etebo, Bojan and Afobe.
All the rest should be open to offers.
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