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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2019 9:29:48 GMT
I don't think you can blame people for having reservations really can you. On the one hand it's a bold and an exciting dip into the unknown with a young, ambitious, attacking coach. On the other it's the cheap option with someone who may very well be overwhelmed by the job and will be bullied by our recruitment processes and the internal dick swinging of our discredited executives. Where's your money? Doesn’t exactly come across as a shrinking violet though Sheiky, can’t see him being a push over. Prefer a bit of excitement to the monotony of recent seadonsy I’m looking forward to it mate. It could literally end up being anything but throwing another manager under the bus after 6 -12 months because it hasn’t worked again just won’t wash anymore. If it goes tits up the only people to blame will be the owners and their two shitehounds. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 9, 2019 9:34:29 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 9, 2019 9:35:01 GMT
If you believe that, you are deluded. In what sense? We have a new manager coming in, we’re 8 points (EIGHT) off 6th place. Playoffs would be over achieving. As long as we head towards the play offs he’s had a decent start as GR was taking us backwards. Realism is often mistaken for delusion by those that are.... deluded. In the sense that Stoke fans aren't patient. In fact, pretty much all fans are impatient in the modern game. There's no way he gets a free hit until the end of the season. If results and performances are bad over the coming months, the fans will be all over him like a rash. That's just the way it is. |
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 9, 2019 9:35:37 GMT
Excellent news if so, I'm excited for going into the unknown with him. Could be absolutely genius. Or not... But we'll see  |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 9, 2019 9:38:46 GMT
Given you saw the videos you were commenting on yesterday, do you think he's the kind of 'Mental Mickey' that will be bullied? From very limited evidence granted, I'd say if certain people at the club think they are getting a patsy that they can push around then they will be in for a bit of a shock. He doesn't strike me as a shrinking violet. I dunno. It's alright being a bit of a billy big knackers and a bit of a card in League 2, who knows what's going to happen when he walks into a dressing room full of Internationals and dealing with glib operators like Scholes? They are in second place in League 1,only 11 places below us.Whoever you are you are going to have problems with Scholes et.al.So for me it's a refreshing change from the unsuccessful tried and tested previous routes. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 9, 2019 9:38:49 GMT
In what sense? We have a new manager coming in, we’re 8 points (EIGHT) off 6th place. Playoffs would be over achieving. As long as we head towards the play offs he’s had a decent start as GR was taking us backwards. Realism is often mistaken for delusion by those that are.... deluded. In the sense that Stoke fans aren't patient. In fact, pretty much all fans are impatient in the modern game. There's no way he gets a free hit until the end of the season. If results and performances are bad over the coming months, the fans will be all over him like a rash. That's just the way it is. Really can’t see the performances being as bad as that under Rowett, I think he’ll get a decent bit of leeway |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 9, 2019 9:38:53 GMT
Considering the vitrol to rowett & demand for instant success from game one, this beggars belief it really does. What happened to this squad should be in the playoffs, best squad in the league etc etc, now its a case of being patient? This is bill gates rich this is. Rowett has fucked things up to the degree that there’s even more work to be done. He’s unbalanced the squad and the new man is coming in slap bang in the middle of the season without the benefit of a £40m kitty where Rowett has both. These are not his players granted, but people happily used the theory that our ex prem players were good enough to be doing better even though they were not Rowetts players. So why doesn't this apply to the new manager? After all, afobe is a proven goalscorer at this level, so is ince, woods is a decent footballer. If we are sacking Rowett because he should be getting better out of this group why shouldn't the new man? Rowett may have spent £40m but the new man get these so called pre rowett ex prem players + rowetts 40m worth? If it's to be believed aswell our players suit his system like a glove, 442 diamond? |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 9, 2019 9:40:29 GMT
With his attachment to the midfield diamond, is it the end of McClean? Could see a place for Ince who's more rounded - but hard to see a spot for such a wingery winger as McClean maybe? More importantly it's a system that would allow us to sell Allen. I'd say a pressing team would be ideal for Joe Allen. Why people are so keen to get rid of the player who has contributed most to our goals this season is beyond me |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:40:53 GMT
If he is confident he'll get promoted this season then yes, I'm sure he isn't short of money. It depends what his long term plans are, the reality is that next season he'll likely be managing in the championship anyway - whether it's with our bunch of misfits of the team he himself has carefully put together. If he's that good then he'll get his big money move at some point - but he should be careful of taking any job just for a quick pay rise, our club is in a mess. I can give you a parallel situation from a couple of years ago. Darrell Clarke was manager of Bristol Rovers had taken over three years previously when the club was at its lowest ebb and about to be relegated to non league. He then went on to achieve back to back promotions and Rovers were sitting high in league 1. Clarke was worshipped by the Gas fans and well thought of as a rising star within the game. Leeds United were looking for their numpteenth manager and wanted Clarke. Rovers owners though sold Clarke their vision of new stadium and a stable well financed club and he decided that he would be better off staying put rather than moving to “basket case” Leeds and signed a new 5 year contract with Rovers. Fast forward 2.5 years. Rovers owners failed to deliver on new stadium or the investment they promised. Clarke became disenchanted which in turn affected his judgement. Performances became increasingly erratic and eventually just poor and he got the sack just before Christmas. I bet when Clarke looks where Leeds are now and where he is, he wished he’d taken the big job and the big pay when it was available. Nathan Jones now is Darrell Clarke 2.5 years ago. BM Fair point, I guess the Silva situation at Watford could be considered similar too. Move whilst your stock is high, Luton get a decent fee for him I suspect, Jones gets a 3+ year contract on a pretty penny and Stoke get an up and coming manager. If it doesn't work out he can find a job in league one easily enough I guess. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 9, 2019 9:42:36 GMT
Rowett has fucked things up to the degree that there’s even more work to be done. He’s unbalanced the squad and the new man is coming in slap bang in the middle of the season without the benefit of a £40m kitty where Rowett has both. These are not his players granted, but people used the theory that our ex prem players were good enough to be doing better even though they were not Rowetts players. So why doesn't this apply to the new manager? After all, afobe is a proven goalscorer at this level, so is ince, woods is a decent footballer. If we are sacking Rowett because he should be getting better out of this group why shouldn't the new man? Rowett may have spent £40m but the new man get these so called pre rowett ex prem players + rowetts 40m worth? If it's to be believed aswell our players suit his system like a glove, 442 diamond? We’ve gone from promotion favorites to 20/1, and a manager who treated the fans with contempt, he’ll definitely be given leeway by the fans more so if the negative shithouse football we’ve had to watch is replaced with some decent attacking football |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2019 9:45:06 GMT
Rowett has fucked things up to the degree that there’s even more work to be done. He’s unbalanced the squad and the new man is coming in slap bang in the middle of the season without the benefit of a £40m kitty where Rowett has both. These are not his players granted, but people happily used the theory that our ex prem players were good enough to be doing better even though they were not Rowetts players. So why doesn't this apply to the new manager? After all, afobe is a proven goalscorer at this level, so is ince, woods is a decent footballer. If we are sacking Rowett because he should be getting better out of this group why shouldn't the new man? Rowett may have spent £40m but the new man get these so called pre rowett ex prem players + rowetts 40m worth? If it's to be believed aswell our players suit his system like a glove, 442 diamond? Because as I said the new man won’t get the luxury of a pre-season, won’t have the same budget and won’t get as much time to assess the squad and impose a completely new style of play, all with the pressure to hit the ground running. It’s a weird time to be introducing a ‘project’ appointment. |
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Post by ted1965 on Jan 9, 2019 9:45:14 GMT
At the moment we don’t have a manager but if reports of rumours are to be believed we’re close to appointing one and it seems to many it’s proof positive that we’re once again heading down a blind alley if Jones does accept an offer from us.
I have read a lot of people being concerned that he isn’t anyone they know okay a little simplistic version but basically the scenario. I don’t claim to know much about him either but he has guided Luton from the conference to the edge of the Championship that doesn’t sound like a man who has no experience of managing a winning football club. They play an attacking , exciting and for the most part winning brand of football and if that’s what he brought here should he come then fine by me.
I do agree however that his arrival and even if he is successful should not detract from two men who no longer need to stalk this football club like Burke and Hare, they need to be gone by the summer and a young manager who brings a little uplifting on field entertainment won’t change many people’s opinions on these two because their lack of competence and quality in doing their jobs put us in this situation of a revolving managerial door over the last 12 months in the first place.
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Post by leoncort on Jan 9, 2019 9:45:33 GMT
In what sense? We have a new manager coming in, we’re 8 points (EIGHT) off 6th place. Playoffs would be over achieving. As long as we head towards the play offs he’s had a decent start as GR was taking us backwards. Realism is often mistaken for delusion by those that are.... deluded. In the sense that Stoke fans aren't patient. In fact, pretty much all fans are impatient in the modern game. There's no way he gets a free hit until the end of the season. If results and performances are bad over the coming months, the fans will be all over him like a rash. That's just the way it is. From the position GR has left us, even if results are good from now until the end of the season, we could still not make the play offs. So, we could win some games and miss out, meaning we dont make play offs but fans are still happy and head into the summer knowing the manager will bring some players in and clear some out, preparing us for a promotion push next season. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 9, 2019 9:45:46 GMT
Wow.
Catching up and it's pretty clear that Jones (if appointed & even before he might be) has an ability to split opinion that we haven't seen since Vinegar Tits.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 9, 2019 9:46:09 GMT
Excellent news if so, I'm excited for going into the unknown with him. Could be absolutely genius. Or not... But we'll see Exactly. Is it a risk? Hell yes! Could it be a complete disaster? Hell yes! Could we become one of the greatest footballing sides this country has ever seen? Hell yes! Am I excited? Hell yes! That’s what football is about. |
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 9, 2019 9:47:01 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 9, 2019 9:47:42 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 9, 2019 9:48:18 GMT
Excellent news if so, I'm excited for going into the unknown with him. Could be absolutely genius. Or not... But we'll see  Exactly. Is it a risk? Hell yes! Could it be a complete disaster? Hell yes! Could we become one of the greatest footballing sides this country has ever seen? Hell yes! Am I excited? Hell yes! That’s what football is about. Definitely mate, agree 100%!  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 9, 2019 9:49:57 GMT
I think people are over-analysing things here,
The choice is very simple, we either take a gamble with a young manager playing exciting football(who may not succeed) or stick with an older journeyman who is out of work (who may not succeed).
They're both gambles.
One has potential..the others have the potential to send people to sleep.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 9, 2019 9:50:27 GMT
With his attachment to the midfield diamond, is it the end of McClean? Could see a place for Ince who's more rounded - but hard to see a spot for such a wingery winger as McClean maybe? Attacking left back maybe |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:52:08 GMT
If he actually knows what he's doing with a diamond and has a plan for the system, then our current crop of midfielders will be a dream come true for him.
This ship has sailed for sure but how good could Imbula be on the left of a diamond?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:53:14 GMT
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Post by pavel on Jan 9, 2019 9:53:57 GMT
Excellent news if so, I'm excited for going into the unknown with him. Could be absolutely genius. Or not... But we'll see Exactly. Is it a risk? Hell yes! Could it be a complete disaster? Hell yes! Could we become one of the greatest footballing sides this country has ever seen? Hell yes! Am I excited? Hell yes! That’s what football is about. It is what football is all about, passion, excitement, uncertainty (let's face it, it's always about uncertainty at most teams). I'm happy and excited to try anything as long as it's not boring, safety first, insipid, dour, slow, predictable football! |
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jan 9, 2019 9:53:59 GMT
I think people are over-analysing things here, The choice is very simple, we either take a gamble with a young manager playing exciting football(who may not succeed) or stick with an older journeyman who is out of work (who may not succeed). They're both gambles. One has potential..the others have the potential to send people to sleep. Quite. And with the latter, we are more likely to be served up more of the football everyone has been whinging about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:55:08 GMT
Really?
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Post by pavel on Jan 9, 2019 9:55:39 GMT
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Post by Waggy on Jan 9, 2019 9:56:53 GMT
I think people are over-analysing things here, The choice is very simple, we either take a gamble with a young manager playing exciting football(who may not succeed) or stick with an older journeyman who is out of work (who may not succeed). They're both gambles. One has potential..the others have the potential to send people to sleep. Quite. And with the latter, we are more likely to be served up more of the football everyone has been whinging about. Then when we have that opportunity, they call for O’Neill. What do we want? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 9, 2019 9:57:06 GMT
If jones is appointed I predict one thing in the next six months it’s not going to be boring
So it’s time to buckle up and board the ride
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Post by robrigo on Jan 9, 2019 9:57:40 GMT
It’s looking like it’s pretty much done isn’t it?
I don’t know whether to congratulate the board for being courageous and doing something different, rather than going for the same old dinosaurs on the same old merry go round.
Or to berate the board for taking an almighty gamble with the clubs future at this critical juncture in our history.
Get it right and it’s a master stroke. Get it wrong and we could be looking at a considerable time in the wilderness again as our money runs out.
This is massive and I don’t know enough about Jones to form an informed opinion.
But fuck it. As Del Boy says, he who dares, wins!
Onwards and upwards with Nathan Jones. You’ve got my full backing and patience if you become a Potter mate.
You’ll be taking over a fantastic club with a fan base that’s as passionate as you could wish for. It could be a match made in Heaven.
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Post by luke2u on Jan 9, 2019 9:58:05 GMT
With Jones I wonder how it will be to new players. Does he have a name to make the players we nedd interested?
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