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Post by miggoscfc on Jan 9, 2019 9:01:43 GMT
Says more about our ignorance than Nathan Jones’ capability, surely? Never mind not heard if him, I didn't realise Luton had hauled themselves back out of the Confrence. It would be a laughable appointment. An official announcement that the club is moving to a stage of managed decline. In short we've thrown in the towel. Youve said this with every manager and every player we have signed or been linked to since you joined the board, its almost as if your a glass is continuously half empty. |
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Post by RAF on Jan 9, 2019 9:02:13 GMT
If I were Jones I'd stay where I was.
There are some inherently fucked up things going on at this club at the moment.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 9, 2019 9:03:07 GMT
Jokanovic didn’t want the job mate I agree Wez, he didn’t as he turned down the opportunity to be involved in the process. The lazy bastard journos saying “he was first choice” pisses me off. He was invited to the process and declined the invitation. That’s all. Lazy journalism! Who would have thought it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:03:15 GMT
Darren Moore has never managed at this level but he’s doing a pretty decent job. I’m glad Rowett has gone and if it is Jones I’m cautiously optimistic and excited. I think we all may be jumping the gun slightly on this one (as is our way). It still feels like he's just as likely to announce he's staying at Luton until 2030 as he is of rocking up in ST4. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 9, 2019 9:04:04 GMT
I don't want to hang an albatross around his neck, but would I be wrong to infer that the board have been weighing up the choice between getting in a new man with a complete overhaul of recruitment, or appointing Carto's mate?
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 9, 2019 9:04:33 GMT
Personally I see this as a better appointment than Villa’s selection of Dean Smith. They are a far bigger club than we are and aside from him being a Villa fan, and local lad, he doesn’t have that much on his CV.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 9, 2019 9:05:50 GMT
Never mind not heard if him, I didn't realise Luton had hauled themselves back out of the Confrence. It would be a laughable appointment. An official announcement that the club is moving to a stage of managed decline. In short we've thrown in the towel. Youve said this with every manager and every player we have signed or been linked to since you joined the board, its almost as if your a glass is continuously half empty. Or he is on a massive troll, after all this Board is better than the Vale’s. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:07:12 GMT
Moyes I could cope with, but it’s not inspiring. MON and Roy Keane would be the depressing option. Jones would be crazy to leave Luton mid season for a club that axed their previous up and coming manager after just 8 months, leaving a side that is 2nd in the table, in form, and with a real decent chance of promotion for a job that involves tidying up a big mess where the fans want your head on a spike after a few games without winning and where both the atmosphere and the club are in decline. Luton are on the up, with a team that he built and he is loved there, why leave mid season when he can get promoted. If he is as good as everyone says then you can get there will be better offers in the future, but if he is good as everyone makes out then I’d be delighted if he fancies the challenge at Stoke City. Up the potters! Is he really going to turn down a, minimum,500% pay rise? If he is confident he'll get promoted this season then yes, I'm sure he isn't short of money. It depends what his long term plans are, the reality is that next season he'll likely be managing in the championship anyway - whether it's with our bunch of misfits of the team he himself has carefully put together. If he's that good then he'll get his big money move at some point - but he should be careful of taking any job just for a quick pay rise, our club is in a mess. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 9, 2019 9:12:00 GMT
Personally I see this as a better appointment than Villa’s selection of Dean Smith. They are a far bigger club than we are and aside from him being a Villa fan, and local lad, he doesn’t have that much on his CV. Have to agree to disagree here mate. Smith took Walsall to Wembley. He also took them to the top of League one, way above expectations. They were 4th when he left them to go to Brentford. Now remember we are talking about Brentford here, not Leeds or Forest or some other ex premier big name. Brentford came 10th and 9th under him playing an attacking brand of football whilst selling their best assets like Tarkowski. For me Smith deserved a crack at a bigger club as does probably Jones. Smith has also been a manager for 8 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:12:43 GMT
Youve said this with every manager and every player we have signed or been linked to since you joined the board, its almost as if your a glass is continuously half empty. Or he is on a massive troll, after all this Board is better than the Vale’s. Nah, I just think he's fundamentally stupid. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 9, 2019 9:13:02 GMT
If you believe that, you are deluded. Need to start thinking more long-term Doesn't matter what the club start thinking. The fans won't allow it. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2019 9:13:11 GMT
So he’s a chancer, a sociopath, a narcissist, inexperienced and a “conference level” manager already. Glad this board has lost none of its edge over the years.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 9, 2019 9:14:16 GMT
He'd be mental to turn us down. Huge wage increase, huge step up in terms of players at disposal and much higher ambitions.
The job is for anyone who fancies a challenge, and most would relish the opportunity.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 9, 2019 9:14:48 GMT
With his attachment to the midfield diamond, is it the end of McClean?
Could see a place for Ince who's more rounded - but hard to see a spot for such a wingery winger as McClean maybe?
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Post by miggoscfc on Jan 9, 2019 9:15:49 GMT
Can i just get something straight from those wanting Wilder, you realise Wilder was also managing in L1 right and before that was at the likes of Halifax, Oxford and Northampton what makes you think Jones cant be as succesful as Wilder in this league ?
Same as Potter with us the only reason Shef Utd fans knew him was that he was a former player of theirs but he certainly hadnt managed a club as big as that before and hes doing a fine job of it id say.
Some strange logic knocking around.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 9, 2019 9:16:06 GMT
Need to start thinking more long-term Doesn't matter what the club start thinking. The fans won't allow it. I think this is where the club need to be better with communication. I fully believe that the majority of supporters would be on board if you tell us the plan. Is this a project that we need patience with? Tell and show us you are backing the manager, and communicate / get the fans involved and I'm sure more time would be given to any appoinitment. Also make sure the incumbent manager doesn't run his mouth to the press, chastising the fans and making himself seem an absolute wanker. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 9, 2019 9:16:26 GMT
Never mind not heard if him, I didn't realise Luton had hauled themselves back out of the Confrence. It would be a laughable appointment. An official announcement that the club is moving to a stage of managed decline. In short we've thrown in the towel. Youve said this with every manager and every player we have signed or been linked to since you joined the board, its almost as if your a glass is continuously half empty. I always backed the Pulis and Hughes appointments and didn't support sacking either of them when we did. I've loved lots of our signings from Zonz, Arnie and Shaq to the hard worker's like Whelan, Walters and Delap |
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 9, 2019 9:16:57 GMT
I really hope Jones is the answer, and if he comes in I'll back him to the hilt. But when I take a step back and look at this, is this the club giving an exciting young manager a chance? Or is this the club going for a cheap option?
I hope this is more Eddie Howe than Paul Hurst!
Moving foward, we have to get our identity back,and get behind whoever comes in. And as I'm sure many of us are, I'm sick to death of all the back biting and nonsense going on between supporters, and then between the club and the supporters.
And as much as I love him, Bojan is NOT the answer to our issues. He's today's equivalent to Carl Hoefkins who also polarised the support! (IMO of course) 😉
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2019 9:18:15 GMT
I don't think you can blame people for having reservations really can you. On the one hand it's a bold and an exciting dip into the unknown with a young, ambitious, attacking coach. On the other it's the cheap option with someone who may very well be overwhelmed by the job and will be bullied by our recruitment processes and the internal dick swinging of our discredited executives. Where's your money? Given you saw the videos you were commenting on yesterday, do you think he's the kind of 'Mental Mickey' that will be bullied? From very limited evidence granted, I'd say if certain people at the club think they are getting a patsy that they can push around then they will be in for a bit of a shock. He doesn't strike me as a shrinking violet. I dunno. It's alright being a bit of a billy big knackers and a bit of a card in League 2, who knows what's going to happen when he walks into a dressing room full of Internationals and dealing with glib operators like Scholes? |
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 9, 2019 9:20:00 GMT
If going to play high pressing game, we're going have to get players who can press faster than a walking football tournament! 😁
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 9, 2019 9:21:43 GMT
I have a fair few misgivings, and I'm someone who wanted a progressive, football-playing manager in the summer as well. It might just be the jitters of the unknown more than anything, and once I've read up on him for the inevitable fanzine profile I'll feel better. However, this is what's worrying me... Timing - there's no bedding in time whatsoever. He's never managed at this level before (indeed he's only got five months' experience as a League One manager) and he'll be thrown in at the deep end with no time to survey the scene a bit and assess his squad. The board insist promotion is the aim, so there's not even the sense of a 'project'. The pressure, which ate the last bloke alive pretty much, will be on from the off. The squad is even more of an unbalanced mess than it was in the summer - there's precious little pace or creativity, we're in dire need of a centre half and some kind of left back cover, we have a new £13m striker who doesn't obviously fit in anywhere and lots of the same kind of central midfielder. There's also the question of coming in and imposing a fairly radically different system and playing style slap bang in the middle of the season. There seems to be an element still of 'show us yer medals' about this squad, which still contains some of the biggest 'names' in the division irrespective of actual performance. A new bloke will need to have a pretty strong personality and real gravitas to win them over in short order, especially given his lack of experience at this level. I like a lot of what I've read on him so far (even taking into account that weirdly chippy interview) but it's very soon for him and I just wonder if it's a case of right man, wrong time. Again, could be just a jittery freak out about the unknown, but... Feel much the same Rob, it's a courageous call and one I support but making him our manager is only half the job. I think with someone with such limited experience at this level, with a high profile club (if I'm allowed to say that about Stoke in this league) with only one ambition, I believe we need to forget about his current back room staff and build a team around him. A team that allows his current skills to shine, maybe get some of our own high profile players to work along side him, Fletcher, Delap possibly Crouch. We really need to push for this Rowley bloke to come in and sort out our scouting system and maybe work alongside Bould as new Technical Director all working together and in the same direction. We can't afford to chuck this ambitious fella in the deep end and expect a miracle to happen. He hasn't put pen to paper yet so still awaiting a twist to this saga |
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Post by doitforfrank on Jan 9, 2019 9:23:49 GMT
Personally I see this as a better appointment than Villa’s selection of Dean Smith. They are a far bigger club than we are and aside from him being a Villa fan, and local lad, he doesn’t have that much on his CV. Thought myself last night. Still a huge gamble though. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2019 9:23:56 GMT
All I`d say folks is we`ve got to get fully behind whoever is appointed as our next manager and give him time to impress his tactics and style of football on to the players. This is likely to require patience at least for the rest of this season as turning a sows ear into a silk purse will not happen overnight. I think at least 2 transfer windows are necessary to refresh our ailing squad and address the lack of pace at both ends of the pitch, not to mention the shortage of goals throughout the team. Considering the vitrol to rowett & demand for instant success from game one, this beggars belief it really does. What happened to this squad should be in the playoffs, best squad in the league etc etc, now its a case of being patient? This is bill gates rich this is. Rowett has fucked things up to the degree that there’s even more work to be done. He’s unbalanced the squad and the new man is coming in slap bang in the middle of the season without the benefit of a £40m kitty where Rowett has both. |
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Post by leoncort on Jan 9, 2019 9:24:09 GMT
He’s got a free hit until the end of the season. If you believe that, you are deluded. In what sense? We have a new manager coming in, we’re 8 points (EIGHT) off 6th place. Playoffs would be over achieving. As long as we head towards the play offs he’s had a decent start as GR was taking us backwards. Realism is often mistaken for delusion by those that are.... deluded. |
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 9, 2019 9:25:02 GMT
With his attachment to the midfield diamond, is it the end of McClean? Could see a place for Ince who's more rounded - but hard to see a spot for such a wingery winger as McClean maybe? More importantly it's a system that would allow us to sell Allen. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 9, 2019 9:25:54 GMT
The same people moaning about taking the risk are the same who will be moaning 2 years down the line if he went somewhere else and achieved. The club can't win at times. If he is the man, yes he's a risk. He could come in and we could end up in League One. He could come in and we could end up in the play offs or runaway champions next year playing a great brand of football. Just imagine if he takes us up playing good football? Imagine the pride when we are talked about in a positive light, rather than half compliments laced with accusations of murdering football matches. I have no idea how this will work out, but I'm a very interested 'onlooker' I don't think you can blame people for having reservations really can you. On the one hand it's a bold and an exciting dip into the unknown with a young, ambitious, attacking coach. On the other it's the cheap option with someone who may very well be overwhelmed by the job and will be bullied by our recruitment processes and the internal dick swinging of our discredited executives. Where's your money? Doesn’t exactly come across as a shrinking violet though Sheiky, can’t see him being a push over. Prefer a bit of excitement to the monotony of recent seadonsy |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:26:07 GMT
If I were Jones I'd stay where I was. There are some inherently fucked up things going on at this club at the moment. H The fact that we're interested in Jones being one of them. Personally, if true, I think it's fucking madness. |
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 9, 2019 9:27:30 GMT
Is he really going to turn down a, minimum,500% pay rise? If he is confident he'll get promoted this season then yes, I'm sure he isn't short of money. It depends what his long term plans are, the reality is that next season he'll likely be managing in the championship anyway - whether it's with our bunch of misfits of the team he himself has carefully put together. If he's that good then he'll get his big money move at some point - but he should be careful of taking any job just for a quick pay rise, our club is in a mess. I can give you a parallel situation from a couple of years ago. Darrell Clarke was manager of Bristol Rovers had taken over three years previously when the club was at its lowest ebb and about to be relegated to non league. He then went on to achieve back to back promotions and Rovers were sitting high in league 1. Clarke was worshipped by the Gas fans and well thought of as a rising star within the game. Leeds United were looking for their numpteenth manager and wanted Clarke. Rovers owners though sold Clarke their vision of new stadium and a stable well financed club and he decided that he would be better off staying put rather than moving to “basket case” Leeds and signed a new 5 year contract with Rovers. Fast forward 2.5 years. Rovers owners failed to deliver on new stadium or the investment they promised. Clarke became disenchanted which in turn affected his judgement. Performances became increasingly erratic and eventually just poor and he got the sack just before Christmas. I bet when Clarke looks where Leeds are now and where he is, he wished he’d taken the big job and the big pay when it was available. Nathan Jones now is Darrell Clarke 2.5 years ago. BM |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:28:44 GMT
Given you saw the videos you were commenting on yesterday, do you think he's the kind of 'Mental Mickey' that will be bullied? From very limited evidence granted, I'd say if certain people at the club think they are getting a patsy that they can push around then they will be in for a bit of a shock. He doesn't strike me as a shrinking violet. I dunno. It's alright being a bit of a billy big knackers and a bit of a card in League 2, who knows what's going to happen when he walks into a dressing room full of Internationals and dealing with glib operators like Scholes? We shall see. Let's see if he signs first, then we can deal with the rest later. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:29:14 GMT
I don't think you can blame people for having reservations really can you. On the one hand it's a bold and an exciting dip into the unknown with a young, ambitious, attacking coach. On the other it's the cheap option with someone who may very well be overwhelmed by the job and will be bullied by our recruitment processes and the internal dick swinging of our discredited executives. Where's your money? Doesn’t exactly come across as a shrinking violet though Sheiky, can’t see him being a push over. Prefer a bit of excitement to the monotony of recent seadonsy So plenty of tantrums to come maybe?....great, that's all we need throughout our "big promo push" 😄 |
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