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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 9, 2019 7:38:06 GMT
The bloke got 8 out of 753 votes on the poll. I doubt anybody had ever heard of him 24 hours ago. We're now up in arms that he's the saviour of our club and the mess we're in at the moment. I'm not sure how all that computes. Says more about our ignorance than Nathan Jones’ capability, surely? |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 9, 2019 7:42:35 GMT
The only word of caution i would add is that a hell of a lot of teams gather momentum. Luton are just that, on the crest of a wave.
Quite a lot of teams have a double promotion, think i'm right that Bristol Rovers went straight up after coming up from the conference.
Luton are riding that feel good factor and carrying on from last year.
Think they battered teams 8 and 7 on a couple of occasions.
What we need to do is not suddenly expect him to turn this lot into Keegans Newcastle just like that.
There is a humdrum mediocrity stinking the place out at present that needs to be addressed.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 9, 2019 7:43:33 GMT
This feels like so many comparisons to what Ipswich did in the summer. They went after Paul hurst, similar win ratio to this Nathan Jones. Shrewsbury definelty punching in a league similar to Luton. What happened next? 15 games 1 win , 7 draws and 7 losses.... I’m sure when Ipswich appointed this guy, “It was branded as a "New Era", but after just five months in charge, Paul Hurst's time at Ipswich Town is already over. There was much excitement when Hurst was given the job at Portman Road, with many fans convinced that he would be the bright, young manager to take the club forward. However, it never happened for him, and instead he leaves Town in the midst of a real uphill battle to maintain their Championship status.” Such a big risk that it could well backfire on us and we could end up in a similar scenario people will refuse to believe it's possible mind. The biggest issue (one of a fair few) for me is wether the players (ex prem players)will buy into a managers methods that was playing league 2 football last year. Will they take the bollockings respectfully? Results need to come quickly imo |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:47:00 GMT
The only word of caution i would add is that a hell of a lot of teams gather momentum. Luton are just that, on the crest of a wave. Quite a lot of teams have a double promotion, think i'm right that Bristol Rovers went straight up after coming up from the conference. Luton are riding that feel good factor and carrying on from last year. Think they battered teams 8 and 7 on a couple of occasions. What we need to do is not suddenly expect him to turn this lot into Keegans Newcastle just like that. There is a humdrum mediocrity stinking the place out at present that needs to be addressed. On top of that if you watched the football, looked at the quality of players and wages structureI would say there is not much difference between between Conference, League two and league one meaning that if you get on a roll it's easier to get up through the league's. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:49:20 GMT
The more I think about this Nathan Jones link, the weirder it seems. Not a 'Diana Ross and Bob Ross duetting Unchained Melody whilst riding a kayak on the Mississippi' kind of weird. But just regular weird, y'know?
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 9, 2019 7:51:48 GMT
If levels mean nothing. Why not go after Dave Cooke at nantiwich! 55/56% win rate this season.
I know why, cos unfortunately he would be out of his depth,
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2019 7:52:31 GMT
The bloke got 8 out of 753 votes on the poll. I doubt anybody had ever heard of him 24 hours ago. We're now up in arms that he's the saviour of our club and the mess we're in at the moment. I'm not sure how all that computes. What was your opinion when Norwich and Huddersfield employed their current bosses? I’ll bet you laughed ( we all did ) at Southampton when they sacked Atkins and employed that Pochettino bloke whose only achievements was relegating Espanyol Give him a chance mate |
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2019 7:53:30 GMT
If levels mean nothing. Why not go after Dave Cooke at nantiwich! 55/56% win rate this season. I know why, cos unfortunately he would be out of his depth, <<< Cringe >>> |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:53:45 GMT
Is it just me or does he come across as tho he’s an angry fucker?
He’d be a big mistake imo ....regardless of passion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:55:18 GMT
This feels like so many comparisons to what Ipswich did in the summer. They went after Paul hurst, similar win ratio to this Nathan Jones. Shrewsbury definelty punching in a league similar to Luton. What happened next? 15 games 1 win , 7 draws and 7 losses.... I’m sure when Ipswich appointed this guy, “It was branded as a "New Era", but after just five months in charge, Paul Hurst's time at Ipswich Town is already over. There was much excitement when Hurst was given the job at Portman Road, with many fans convinced that he would be the bright, young manager to take the club forward. However, it never happened for him, and instead he leaves Town in the midst of a real uphill battle to maintain their Championship status.” My mind went to Paul Hurst (and to a lesser degree Paul Cook) when we were first linked with him yesterday, who I remember a few people had backed to be our next manager when we first fired Lambert last year. Of course (if he was appointed) he would have much greater resources here than either of those guys did at Ipswich or Wigan. It's a massive gamble but one it seems we're willing to take. I must admit, I'm quite up for the ride, but that's probably because we've suffered years of absolute dross being served up so am craving some excitement. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 9, 2019 7:55:51 GMT
The only word of caution i would add is that a hell of a lot of teams gather momentum. Luton are just that, on the crest of a wave. Quite a lot of teams have a double promotion, think i'm right that Bristol Rovers went straight up after coming up from the conference. Luton are riding that feel good factor and carrying on from last year. Think they battered teams 8 and 7 on a couple of occasions. What we need to do is not suddenly expect him to turn this lot into Keegans Newcastle just like that. There is a humdrum mediocrity stinking the place out at present that needs to be addressed. I think that’s a fair point reference the double promotions, it does happen a lot. |
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Post by slicko on Jan 9, 2019 7:57:00 GMT
After the new manager bounce and there’s a need for the manager to ask for attributes other than grit and determination from the players, what experience can Jones draw on?
I fear another arm windmiller with high blood pressure.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jan 9, 2019 7:57:17 GMT
There's no doubt this is a real risk and one that the family can not get wrong again. Hope it works but to me the stabilisation option offered by someone like Moyes would make more sense given what's happened over the last 2/3 years. If Jones comes I wish him all the luck in the world. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 9, 2019 7:57:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:58:09 GMT
If levels mean nothing. Why not go after Dave Cooke at nantiwich! 55/56% win rate this season. I know why, cos unfortunately he would be out of his depth, <<< Cringe >>>  |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jan 9, 2019 8:00:42 GMT
It’s the exact sort of appointment that many were crying out in the summer. The fact is he could either flop like Hurst did at Ipswich or it could be a stroke of genius and he’s a massive success like other gambles have been at other clubs.
We have wasted a lot of money in Rowett let’s face it, and there’s no doubt that Jones is therefore a cheap option compared to someone like Moyes. But at least he plays the style of football that so many of our fans are demanding. And the system he uses is likely to suit our current crop of players well. We are overloaded with central midfielders and short on quality wingers so his preferred system fits us like a glove.
Who knows how it will turn out but it’s imperative that everyone pulls together and gets behind him from the start.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 8:01:01 GMT
FFS give the bloke a chance if he is our next manager At least he has experience of managing How many on here would have been wanking themselves into a frenzy if we had appointed lampard or Gerard earlier in the season who had no managerial experience. The likes of Eddie Howe Sean Dyche etc etc started somewhere just give the bloke a chance Opinions on Rowett were split before he came to stoke rumours of shit football etc etc so some of us knew he was possibly a wank manager. Jones has done nothing but get good reports and most importantly good results albeit in a lower league. But if he is our next manager let’s hope he has a brand of football worthy of our great club. I will give him my full support as should you all let’s make us loud and proud to be Stoke again and not a soft underbelly of a puppy rolling over waiting to be tickled. We need to be a Staffordshire bull terrier growling bouncing around showing other clubs our teeth waiting to scare everyone we play The premiership has made us soft and spiteful. So if you are our manager Nathan Jones good luck and let’s turn this shitpile of a season around with some pride. Gooooarrrrrnnnnn STOKE!!!! Excellent post. He'll need a chance long term too but I'm worried he won't be given a chance if he loses his first couple of games. I don't for one second expect us to start winning every game but some people probably won't accept less. We need stability at this point and someone to come in for longer than 8 months. Provided he doesn't start disrespecting the supporters, I'll be happy to get behind him. I was quite content with giving Rowett more of a chance until he decided to disrespect the supporters. We need someone to unite the fans with the club after this shit show we had under Hughes, not someone who is in it for themselves. Regardless of his background, considering the players and resources at his disposal he will be expected to win games almost immediately. Of course he will |
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 9, 2019 8:01:22 GMT
I am of course being facetious. My point is, he wouldn’t be appointed in a million years. You’d have said the same about this guy at start of the season. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 9, 2019 8:02:20 GMT
The bloke got 8 out of 753 votes on the poll. I doubt anybody had ever heard of him 24 hours ago. We're now up in arms that he's the saviour of our club and the mess we're in at the moment. I'm not sure how all that computes. What was your opinion when Norwich and Huddersfield employed their current bosses? I didn't have one. I care very little for Norwich or Huddersfield. |
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 9, 2019 8:03:32 GMT
IF he’s appointed. Then the first team selection will be very interesting to see whether our excitement that’s shown on here is translated by formation and player selection.
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Post by nathstoke86 on Jan 9, 2019 8:03:58 GMT
I wouldn’t look in too much who he has managed. I be looking in too what he does with the tools he has. He comes across like he has a good background and seems obsessed with what he does and the fine detail, he worked in Spain too which will have helped a lot with the style of football he wants to play. I get what big name players will give him the respect with been at lower level. But everyone starts low and becomes better and signs for better clubs. Half the players would of been somewhere poor at the start of there careers. Am looking forward to it and I think the fans will be behind him and give him time aslong as he gets a togetherness with the fans and plays good attacking football then we be happy. I think he will become a great coach and give him some time he will get us back up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 8:04:50 GMT
The bloke got 8 out of 753 votes on the poll. I doubt anybody had ever heard of him 24 hours ago. We're now up in arms that he's the saviour of our club and the mess we're in at the moment. I'm not sure how all that computes. What was your opinion when Norwich and Huddersfield employed their current bosses? I’ll bet you laughed ( we all did ) at Southampton when they sacked Atkins and employed that Pochettino bloke whose only achievements was relegating Espanyol Give him a chance mate The same people moaning about taking the risk are the same who will be moaning 2 years down the line if he went somewhere else and achieved. The club can't win at times. If he is the man, yes he's a risk. He could come in and we could end up in League One. He could come in and we could end up in the play offs or runaway champions next year playing a great brand of football. Just imagine if he takes us up playing good football? Imagine the pride when we are talked about in a positive light, rather than half compliments laced with accusations of murdering football matches. I have no idea how this will work out, but I'm a very interested 'onlooker' |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 8:07:04 GMT
I am of course being facetious. My point is, he wouldn’t be appointed in a million years. You’d have said the same about this guy at start of the season. I would have said it was strange (and I'm saying that now) and a massive gamble (I'm saying that now too). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 8:09:11 GMT
What was your opinion when Norwich and Huddersfield employed their current bosses? I’ll bet you laughed ( we all did ) at Southampton when they sacked Atkins and employed that Pochettino bloke whose only achievements was relegating Espanyol Give him a chance mate The same people moaning about taking the risk are the same who will be moaning 2 years down the line if he went somewhere else and achieved. The club can't win at times.If he is the man, yes he's a risk. He could come in and we could end up in League One. He could come in and we could end up in the play offs or runaway champions next year playing a great brand of football. Just imagine if he takes us up playing good football? Imagine the pride when we are talked about in a positive light, rather than half compliments laced with accusations of murdering football matches. I have no idea how this will work out, but I'm a very interested 'onlooker' Absolutely. Nor can our starting XI but that might be a different point. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 9, 2019 8:09:39 GMT
The more I think about this Nathan Jones link, the weirder it seems. Not a 'Diana Ross and Bob Ross duetting Unchained Melody whilst riding a kayak on the Mississippi' kind of weird. But just regular weird, y'know? It is - but I keep asking myself that if we assume Moyes, Allardyce and Jokanovic ruled themselves out (and I think we've got to), who the hell would have ticked the box we're looking for. Monk maybe? You're straight into Huge Punt territory, aren't you? Martin O'Neill? Monk? Lee Johnson? McInnes? Carvalhal? Potter? Cowley? Pearson? Bould? And from that standpoint, I'm pretty comfortable with it. |
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2019 8:09:44 GMT
What was your opinion when Norwich and Huddersfield employed their current bosses? I’ll bet you laughed ( we all did ) at Southampton when they sacked Atkins and employed that Pochettino bloke whose only achievements was relegating Espanyol Give him a chance mate The same people moaning about taking the risk are the same who will be moaning 2 years down the line if he went somewhere else and achieved. The club can't win at times. If he is the man, yes he's a risk. He could come in and we could end up in League One. He could come in and we could end up in the play offs or runaway champions next year playing a great brand of football. Just imagine if he takes us up playing good football? Imagine the pride when we are talked about in a positive light, rather than half compliments laced with accusations of murdering football matches. I have no idea how this will work out, but I'm a very interested 'onlooker' 100% mate Any new employee in football is a risk and no guarantee, we could go for Allardyce pay him top whack and it could nosedive |
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Post by serpico on Jan 9, 2019 8:10:44 GMT
This is more of a risk than Rowett imo, at least Rowett had experience at this level. I'm prepared to be proven totally wrong but i get the feeling this is going to be another huge mistake by the board, its certainly a gamble but i suppose if the likes of Moyes, Jovanovic and Big Sam are not attainable then option are limited so he's worth a flyer ?
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 9, 2019 8:12:33 GMT
Will his very overt religiousness be an issue? Not like I care really but it just isn't my bag
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 9, 2019 8:12:35 GMT
What was your opinion when Norwich and Huddersfield employed their current bosses? I’ll bet you laughed ( we all did ) at Southampton when they sacked Atkins and employed that Pochettino bloke whose only achievements was relegating Espanyol Give him a chance mate The same people moaning about taking the risk are the same who will be moaning 2 years down the line if he went somewhere else and achieved. The club can't win at times. If he is the man, yes he's a risk. He could come in and we could end up in League One. He could come in and we could end up in the play offs or runaway champions next year playing a great brand of football. Just imagine if he takes us up playing good football? Imagine the pride when we are talked about in a positive light, rather than half compliments laced with accusations of murdering football matches. I have no idea how this will work out, but I'm a very interested 'onlooker' Yeah and just imagine if he completely fucks it up, we run out of parachute payments and end up signing players from league 1 clubs hoping they will come good. If we Fuck this appointment up it's the last chance we will have of a decent standing manager for a long time. Our Better players will want out of the circus. We should be busting our balls right about now for a proven replacement and chucking money at the half rebuild allready in place to complete the rebuild. No excuses for a chancer, we are a former premiership club of 10 years. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 9, 2019 8:13:39 GMT
The more I think about this Nathan Jones link, the weirder it seems. Not a 'Diana Ross and Bob Ross duetting Unchained Melody whilst riding a kayak on the Mississippi' kind of weird. But just regular weird, y'know? It is - but I keep asking myself that if we assume Moyes, Allardyce and Jokanovic ruled themselves out (and I think we've got to), who the hell would have ticked the box we're looking for. Monk maybe? You're straight into Huge Punt territory, aren't you? Martin O'Neill? Monk? Lee Johnson? McInnes? Carvalhal? Potter? Cowley? Pearson? Bould? And from that standpoint, I'm pretty comfortable with it. We probably should have left it until the Summer and gone for one of our A or B choices then. Give it to Delap to tick over until the end of the season. We're not going up or down. It's a nothing season now. Luton fans are saying we need to be patient and give this guy at least 18 months. Does that sound like Stoke fans to you? If it doesn't go well over the first 6 months, he'll be hounded out. |
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