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Post by daisydog on Jun 3, 2008 15:01:55 GMT
No reply Dee . The truth is no school bans christmas celebrations they just do something a bit different from the usual nativity . Not offending non-christians is same propoganda spread by the BNP . Areas which are mainly from another culture , their schools probably celebrate differently but I bet they still incorporate christianity , I think it is actually a legal requirement , but I`m not sure that happens in Newcastle-under-Lyme . Im sur all the people who go on about their christian traditions are the regular church attending faithfull , thats why the churchs are so full
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Post by TheDee51 on Jun 3, 2008 15:06:24 GMT
No reply Dee . The truth is no school bans christmas celebrations they just do something a bit different from the usual nativity . Not offending non-christians is same propoganda spread by the BNP . Areas which are mainly from another culture , their schools probably celebrate differently but I bet they still incorporate christianity , I think it is actually a legal requirement , but I`m not sure that happens in Newcastle-under-Lyme . Im sur all the people who go on about their christian traditions are the regular church attending faithfull , thats why the churchs are so full no reply because I was working. Birches Head High is one of the schools, not giving you the other one for obvious reasons
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Post by TheDee51 on Jun 3, 2008 15:07:01 GMT
Which school ? Believe me we will find the facts and who the feck are 'WE' ??
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Post by daisydog on Jun 3, 2008 15:15:54 GMT
And which teacher/ shool letter was this source , why not the other school , your only known here as Dee
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Post by TheDee51 on Jun 3, 2008 15:20:42 GMT
"believe me we will find the facts"
Who are 'we' daisy dog??
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Post by daisydog on Jun 3, 2008 15:23:06 GMT
Address the facts . By the way I agree "we" was way over the top , I apologise
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Post by TheDee51 on Jun 3, 2008 15:30:32 GMT
Daisydog - I was replying to a thread you posted saying that Christmas nativity plays being cancelled was a Daily Mail myth - I was saying it was not - why are you insistent in wanting to know the actual facts? I have given you the name of the school - why don't you ring them, ask for the headmistress and ask her???
I am not giving you the name of the other school as its not important - I wasn't moaning about the fact, just disagreeing with your post.
Get your facts correct before posting shit.
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Post by daisydog on Jun 3, 2008 15:39:26 GMT
Birchs Head High doing a nativity . Nativities tend to be performed by primaries . It is the reason they did n`t do one that is important and the not offending non christians reason is normally discovered to be untrue , just teachers trying something different . It`s the usual BNP rumour mill , so facts are crucial , because it`s crap like this that gets them votes . By the way I said Daily Mail stirring
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Post by TheDee51 on Jun 3, 2008 15:52:03 GMT
So is it 'Daily Mail' stirring (is that right for you) when you can't walk around Hanley park without some feckin Asian wanker coming up to you saying they own the park and if I want to live then get the fuck out of there??
Or is that part of the BNP rumour mill??
Here's another for you Daisydog - Birches Head High also went to visit a Muslim place of worship last year, when asked if they were doing the same for a Christian place, the answer was an emphatic NO. The next week, while learning hindu, the kids came home with the red spot on the forehead So how come we can try and understand their religion but they laugh in the face of our religion.
Get off your high horse and listen to normal people who want to live in a normal country.
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Post by daisydog on Jun 3, 2008 16:03:27 GMT
A "normal country" where people are attacked for being from a different culture ( so I assume you think most of the Stoke team should be shipped out ) . I`ve walked in Hanley Park and never had a problem and as for visiting a christian church , we live in a christian society how much do you need . Visiting a mosque is about understanding and that should come from all sides . All the best sorry you had to be abusive but I must now go . By the way called a freind whos daughter goes to Birchs Head said there was nothing about not offending the non christians
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jun 3, 2008 20:59:29 GMT
There seem to be a lot of posts on here making the assumption that White = Christian, implicitly good, and non-White = other religions (mainly Muslim), implicitly bad. I wonder how many of the people making these sort of comments actually are Christian as in regularly attending a Christian Church, whether Church of England, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist etc.? I suspect very few.
As I understand it, some of the most well-attended Christian Churches are black, and there are white Muslims, the most well known being Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens.
I'm an Athiest, so can't claim to be an expert on religions, but I do know that things are far from as simple as people seem to assume.
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Post by ihaveadream on Jun 4, 2008 13:20:14 GMT
The BNP have a particular image they try and promote, one of being pro law and order etc and of being none racist. In reality their PR image is completely false and they ARE racist. I wouldnt be surprised if many of the people who voted for them fell for their hype and were somewhat naive about the real nature of the party.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 4, 2008 13:54:48 GMT
In the post-war period (1946 onwards) a lot of Commonwealth people had the right to settle in the UK and exercised that right...
A great deal of racism was experienced by this first generation of "immigrants" in terms of employment and housing..
For example, immigrants had no access to "council-housing" and ended up living in the worst housing and paying exorbitant rents..and this is why you found 2 or 3 families living under the same roof in appallingly cramped conditions
They did the jobs no-one else wanted for very low pay
Black people mainly from the West-Indies, intergrated into the white community, eventually, whereas Asians didn't, partly because they weren't allowed too
Enoch Powell was the Commonwealth Secretary, who in the 1950's, travelled the West-Indies, asking people to move to Britain, such was our labour shortages..
How ironic then, that in 1967 he made his "Rivers of Blood" speech, purely to piss the new Tory leader, Edward Heath off
Over the years the Black/Asian population has become increasingly intolerant of attacks on it..leading to the phrase "The Empire Strikes Back".
The seeds were sown for trouble
Politicians have gone from one extreme to another, from completely ignoring the non-white population, to being terrified with it
The whole message and point of my posts isn't to tell people to vote BNP but to be proud of there Englishness and to celebrate our History and Heritage and to fight for free speech and religous tolerance
And if that makes me a racist then so be it
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what colour,creed religion or gender you are, as long as you wear the red and white stripes and support my beloved Stoke City
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Post by knowingeye on Jun 4, 2008 13:57:00 GMT
I support their right to free speech, but not what they say.
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Post by frasier37 on Jun 4, 2008 14:52:05 GMT
I have been working with a Pakistani for six weeks. Staying in the same Hotel. Every night he constantly told me how wrong the west was in particular America and england. He was eager to tell me and a few others that he lived in north London and his house was worth 1.2 million, he had plans to knock it down and build a bigger house that would be worth 2.8m For a joke i said i thought it was a shit hole. He replied " No! there's no Asians where i live" Throughout the six week he called me Goorah boy, i asked what it meant he said it means white boy. Surely that is racist? I should have called him Kallah boy (black boy) I said if England was so bad why didn't he sell up and live the good life in Pakistan. He just smiled. If you let them, they'll take it all and leave you with nowt They don't need you to stick up for them. They wont stick up for you. My Opinion Ps I am against racism ;D
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Post by tsj on Jun 4, 2008 18:08:40 GMT
Here's another for you Daisydog - Birches Head High also went to visit a Muslim place of worship last year, when asked if they were doing the same for a Christian place, the answer was an emphatic NO. Kids came home with the red spot on the forehead and even took their shoes off before going in. So how come we can try and understand their religion but they laugh in the face of our religion. Why on earth would kids come home from a Muslim place of worship with a bindi, which is a Hindu symbol. You're full of shit!
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Post by TheDee51 on Jun 4, 2008 19:34:39 GMT
Yeh, sorry TSJ, that was the week after when they were learning HIndu - i've editted it now, cheers for the pull up. Fact still remains - We can learn other culture's quite easily but not the other way round. (and i'm pretty honoured that out of your total posts of 2, one was a reply to me, aaahhhh bless)
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 4, 2008 21:21:40 GMT
Birch's Head banned England flags during the world cup a few years back, over which there was some kind of hoo-hah. I think the problem is one that has been expressed on this thread before - the lower-upper middle class councillors who don't have a clue and are scared to death of offending people, despite the fact that you could actually say that it is more offensive to place words in the mouth of people, denying them a voice. This is a very extreme and maybe daft example, but how would you feel if one of our MPs stood up in Parliament and said "All white people in Stoke-on-Trent agree that MPs deserve a 400% wage rise"?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 4, 2008 21:45:21 GMT
Thats one of my points Mystical..when I flew England flags from my car during the world cup a few of the anti-racist-brigade actually called me a "racist"...because I had the temerity to support England
Now when I went to Wales during the world-cup, nearly every car had the Welsh flag flying out of the windows, even though they weren't in the world-cup...but nobody called them racist
Nobody calls Taxi drivers racist when they fly the Pakistani flag, do they?
The problem with the ARB and its followers is that they have tied themselves up in knots through the inconsistency of their arguments and any reasonably intelligent person can see this.
Once again, there is nothing wrong with being English
It's not a crime
There is nothing wrong of being proud of your country
And that's why more and more people are voting BNP because they are beginning to feel that there is something wrong with them because they are English
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