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Post by potterpaul on Aug 21, 2018 3:11:38 GMT
Really hope this happens a 3 of Woods, Clucas and Allen would be brilliant. Lots of legs and skill. I wonder if Gary Rowett would consider playing Etebo on the Left right as an inside forward. How many games will it take to fathom out the problem is still present in that "Brilliant 3"
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 21, 2018 3:38:32 GMT
Who knows how long Alan is with us. Etebo could be his long term replacement. So, when we say we haven't been linked with a CDM - are they under our noses? Whelan was a great servant and super player in his own way, but think that part of the issue was that the game has moved on since Whelan did his stuff at his peak. A CDM 10-15 years ago could be a mix of 'getting the foot in' or an older player adpet at "reading the game" and spraying passes about. There are always exceptions, but the modern incarnation seems to be less a "hard nut", but neither are they some Pirlo-esque (or at our level Huddlestone-esque) type.... They are quite fast athletic players who rapidly cover the ground, are very intelligent about positioning-wise. The new variant collects the ball alot from the back 2-3 CBs or CMs (so needs to be technically strong) and has lots of touches; they need a turn of pace to break with the ball quickly from danger, to gain 10-20 yards to make ground, and lay off good fast passes to wings or front men. Whelan was great at parts of this, his intelligent positioning often went un-heralded. Perhaps his technique/control, limited passing and speed were the reasons though we shouldn't look for our next CDM to look like Whelan. Most would say Kante is the absolute Rolls Royce of this breed. Neves was a pretty good example for Wolves last year. In the PL, at club level, Fred appears to have these characteristics, replacing Carrick who was more old-school (https://talksport.com/football/379486/manchester-united-fc-transfer-news-who-fred-profile-red-devils-latest-signing-180605285058/), Ndidi, Livermore and Dier have done the job well for their clubs.. But these are qualities that Clucas or Etobo both have too. - (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3475471/Hull-City-midfielder-Sam-Clucas-energy-attitude-technical-ability-Premier-League-season.html). I think its what Rowett wanted from McNair too.. Are these the holding players, 2017 style? Fantastic post.
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Post by chinesedave on Aug 21, 2018 3:48:20 GMT
So, when we say we haven't been linked with a CDM - are they under our noses? Whelan was a great servant and super player in his own way, but think that part of the issue was that the game has moved on since Whelan did his stuff at his peak. A CDM 10-15 years ago could be a mix of 'getting the foot in' or an older player adpet at "reading the game" and spraying passes about. There are always exceptions, but the modern incarnation seems to be less a "hard nut", but neither are they some Pirlo-esque (or at our level Huddlestone-esque) type.... They are quite fast athletic players who rapidly cover the ground, are very intelligent about positioning-wise. The new variant collects the ball alot from the back 2-3 CBs or CMs (so needs to be technically strong) and has lots of touches; they need a turn of pace to break with the ball quickly from danger, to gain 10-20 yards to make ground, and lay off good fast passes to wings or front men. Whelan was great at parts of this, his intelligent positioning often went un-heralded. Perhaps his technique/control, limited passing and speed were the reasons though we shouldn't look for our next CDM to look like Whelan. Most would say Kante is the absolute Rolls Royce of this breed. Neves was a pretty good example for Wolves last year. In the PL, at club level, Fred appears to have these characteristics, replacing Carrick who was more old-school (https://talksport.com/football/379486/manchester-united-fc-transfer-news-who-fred-profile-red-devils-latest-signing-180605285058/), Ndidi, Livermore and Dier have done the job well for their clubs.. But these are qualities that Clucas or Etobo both have too. - (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3475471/Hull-City-midfielder-Sam-Clucas-energy-attitude-technical-ability-Premier-League-season.html). I think its what Rowett wanted from McNair too.. Are these the holding players, 2017 style? Fantastic post. Agree, they must first of all possess a fantastic engine but with two good feet. They must be box to box and let the ball do the work. Boss the middle of the park at all times and always give 110, no 122%. If they are a great lad to have around the place then even better. Wilson Palacios WAS that player until Hughes got rid. Never forgive him for that, or the sale of Huth.
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 21, 2018 4:21:38 GMT
I like the mould of this guy, more signings like this please. Make it happen.
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Post by chinesedave on Aug 21, 2018 4:50:39 GMT
I like the mould of this guy, more signings like this please. Make it happen. Phil Leotardo, Sopranos...Make it happen
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2018 5:00:13 GMT
I can't remember to ever have seen him play, but I like that we bring in young and upcoming players with a future and a promising past. Like Edwards and Tymon, not forgetting Sorenson and Campbell. I still think Sørensen could do a job for us, Edwards will also get new chances, maybe too early for Campbell and Tymon yet?
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 21, 2018 5:48:34 GMT
Here we go again, get him in, get him in, after 3 games we’ll be calling him shit, Rowett shit etc. I’m concerned about the amount we are bringing in, particularly in midfield. We have so many midfielders and we definitely don’t need Huddlestone. Imo we need a forward, and we need to be playing a settled side. There’s no wonder we haven’t won a game when we keep changing the line-up and formation.
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Post by Silkystoke on Aug 21, 2018 6:05:14 GMT
Here we go again, get him in, get him in, after 3 games we’ll be calling him shit, Rowett shit etc. I’m concerned about the amount we are bringing in, particularly in midfield. We have so many midfielders and we definitely don’t need Huddlestone. Imo we need a forward, and we need to be playing a settled side. There’s no wonder we haven’t won a game when we keep changing the line-up and formation. True, but I think we’ve played probably the best 2 teams in the league ..!!!
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 21, 2018 6:17:36 GMT
Nine pages on a rumour in less than twelve hours....a sign of how desperate we are for hope of a half decent player. How many pages before we know the final result and what will that be?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 6:29:39 GMT
Here we go again, get him in, get him in, after 3 games we’ll be calling him shit, Rowett shit etc. I’m concerned about the amount we are bringing in, particularly in midfield. We have so many midfielders and we definitely don’t need Huddlestone. Imo we need a forward, and we need to be playing a settled side. There’s no wonder we haven’t won a game when we keep changing the line-up and formation. We clearly need a holding midfielder.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 21, 2018 6:34:01 GMT
Nine pages on a rumour in less than twelve hours....a sign of how desperate we are for hope of a half decent player. How many pages before we know the final result and what will that be? Tbf, it's not a "rumour" cunjured up by the Turkish press is it now?! It's from a pretty substantial source about a player who's known to be very good. It's about time we had someone to make us feel slightly optimistic.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2018 6:52:06 GMT
Really hope this happens a 3 of Woods, Clucas and Allen would be brilliant. Lots of legs and skill. I wonder if Gary Rowett would consider playing Etebo on the Left right as an inside forward. How many games will it take to fathom out the problem is still present in that "Brilliant 3" One major difference Woods is a disciplined DM something we’ve been waiting for since Whelan left and he can play a bit too. Should give the likes of Clucas, Allen and Etebo more freedom.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2018 6:55:45 GMT
Here we go again, get him in, get him in, after 3 games we’ll be calling him shit, Rowett shit etc. I’m concerned about the amount we are bringing in, particularly in midfield. We have so many midfielders and we definitely don’t need Huddlestone. Imo we need a forward, and we need to be playing a settled side. There’s no wonder we haven’t won a game when we keep changing the line-up and formation. True, but I think we’ve played probably the best 2 teams in the league ..!!! And we should be in the “ best 2 teams in the league “ category
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Post by st3mark on Aug 21, 2018 7:12:37 GMT
I like the mould of this guy, more signings like this please. Make it happen. Phil Leotardo, Sopranos...Make it happen *spoiler alert* Think the whole head crushed at the petrol station might get in the way of this signing
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Aug 21, 2018 7:33:56 GMT
Must be a rowett choice, can't see our pair of transfer wizards coming up with woods Because they can't see the woods for the frees.
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Post by greyface on Aug 21, 2018 7:42:25 GMT
Must be a rowett choice, can't see our pair of transfer wizards coming up with woods Because they can't see the woods for the frees. Bravo 👏
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2018 7:56:01 GMT
Etebo is still living in a hotel So is Jose Mourinho.....must be the reward points plus free wi fi. working out well for Jose isn't it? A player needs to be settled and ideally needs to have his family with him. Badou hasn't had his family with him and has alluded to being a human being and having some personal problems so hopefully Etebo will find a home and get his family alongside him at some point in the very near future.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2018 8:10:53 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?"
They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good.
It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld.
I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though.....
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 21, 2018 8:17:53 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?" They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good. It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld. I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though..... What, you mean our multi million pound academy or our internationally renowned scouting network that has been developed and honed during ten years in the worlds richest league don’t have a list as long as your arm of the next best thing to come through? I’m surprised, makes you wonder just what the club have been doing and whether they have even heard of the words strategy, succession planning or forward thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:25:42 GMT
Really hope this happens a 3 of Woods, Clucas and Allen would be brilliant. Lots of legs and skill. I wonder if Gary Rowett would consider playing Etebo on the Left right as an inside forward. How many games will it take to fathom out the problem is still present in that "Brilliant 3" Are you referring to Allen? or to the fact that it is still a 3? 3 midfielders is not enough IMO, still prefer a 4-5-1 or a 4-2-3-1, if you’re playing with a 3 then you need a lot of help from the fullbacks and those infront or you just get overrun.
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Post by marshy on Aug 21, 2018 8:26:06 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?" They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good. It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld. I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though..... Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 21, 2018 8:29:12 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?" They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good. It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld. I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though..... Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. They’re Brentford. What choice do they have? They and other clubs and us to a certain extent have been that for years and will continue to be. That’s modern football.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2018 8:30:47 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?" They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good. It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld. I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though..... Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. Yeah, it's very impressive. I was listening on the radio yesterday to someone suggesting Man United should buy Pochettino for £50m. If we could somehow buy their transfer department, lock, stock and barrel, that'd be the best investment we could make!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:32:48 GMT
Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. They’re Brentford. What choice do they have? They and other clubs and us to a certain extent have been that for years and will continue to be. That’s modern football. It’s credit to them to be fair. But let’s be honest we’re not renowned for being the most patient set of fans, the 19 year old French 4th division midfielder we brought in to replace our star midfielder would be labelled as “absolutely shit” on here after his first appearance as a 20 minute substitute.....
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Post by liamo on Aug 21, 2018 8:33:47 GMT
Woods is exactly what we need, but why would Brentford want to strengthen us and weaken themselves? They have a real shot at the playoffs if they can keep up the intensity they showed against us
As for us and our way of doing things it needs to change, we should poach some talented scouts instead of playing russian roulette with players
Why buy one good young player at the first attempt when you can spend £50m on 3 moody useless twats and still be no closer to filling holes in the team
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:35:51 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?" They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good. It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld. I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though..... Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. I think we were hoping to do this in the Premier League on a bigger scale, it seems the only transfer it really worked out on is Arnautovic though. Had we stayed up I'm sure we would have got a reasonable fee for Shaqiri, and when Butland finds his form we should make a pretty penny when he goes too.
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Post by rawli on Aug 21, 2018 8:42:40 GMT
Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. Yeah, it's very impressive. I was listening on the radio yesterday to someone suggesting Man United should buy Pochettino for £50m. If we could somehow buy their transfer department, lock, stock and barrel, that'd be the best investment we could make! It's self sufficiency! You're right - fuck Laurel and hardy off and use the money to buy their transfer team. It would be a cute move to end all cute moves.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 21, 2018 8:50:05 GMT
Woods is exactly what we need, but why would Brentford want to strengthen us and weaken themselves? They have a real shot at the playoffs if they can keep up the intensity they showed against us Finances. To June 17 they made a financial loss of 1 Million despite 12.8 Million profit on player sales, to June 16 they made a 12.6 Million loss despite 15.4 Million profit on player sales. They're also building a new ground.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:53:39 GMT
Yeah, it's very impressive. I was listening on the radio yesterday to someone suggesting Man United should buy Pochettino for £50m. If we could somehow buy their transfer department, lock, stock and barrel, that'd be the best investment we could make! It's self sufficiency! You're right - fuck Laurel and hardy off and use the money to buy their transfer team. It would be a cute move to end all cute moves. The problem with that is their transfer strategy is based on complex algorithms that were dreamt up by their Chairman, who is an ex gambler cum modern day bookie, and his mate who happens to be a top stats analyst. In other words it's come from the top down. Do we have such brains in our upper echelons?
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Post by RAF on Aug 21, 2018 8:55:51 GMT
Really hammering it down the ginger route isn't he The ones with all the fight and guts in them! Kitson? H
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