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Post by rawli on Aug 21, 2018 8:56:12 GMT
It's self sufficiency! You're right - fuck Laurel and hardy off and use the money to buy their transfer team. It would be a cute move to end all cute moves. The problem with that is their transfer strategy is based on complex algorithms that were dreamt up by their Chairman, who is an ex gambler cum modern day bookie, and his mate who happens to be a top stats analyst. In other words it's come from the top down. Do we have such brains in our upper echelons? We are owned by the biggest bookie in the world!
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 21, 2018 9:04:14 GMT
Can’t wait for FM19 so I can sort this mess out. All will be set to rights after I’ve enforced my dictatorship on the club, I know best.
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Post by marshy on Aug 21, 2018 9:04:50 GMT
Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. I think we were hoping to do this in the Premier League on a bigger scale, it seems the only transfer it really worked out on is Arnautovic though. Had we stayed up I'm sure we would have got a reasonable fee for Shaqiri, and when Butland finds his form we should make a pretty penny when he goes too. I think you're right in that it was a plan using the German market for example in signing Arnie, Diouf and Wollscheid for a pretty low combined fee and the likes of Ramadan from abroad. I do think the past year or two though that strategy has disappeared somewhat and been replaced by a "must have prem experience" model. That's fine but it makes the players automatically more expensive and the players we went after by and large were players struggling for game-time at other clubs. For example this season whereas we went out and got Ashley Williams in for a years loan where we are likely to be paying a large amount of his wages and a decent loan fee Brentford signed England U21 international Ezri Konsa for £2.5m from Charlton. I think Williams has been good so far but I would much rather us go down the lower league younger players route in future. I don't think I've ever seen Woods play but he sounds like the kind of player we need and its this type of signing I'd like to see more of in the future.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 21, 2018 9:05:34 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 21, 2018 9:05:36 GMT
Reading that Brentford thread is pretty eye-opening. No matter what the player has done for them , it seems to be a case of "yeah, whatever, where's the new bloke from the French second division who'll be a star already?" They know they've got to continually sell players at a certain point of their career, and actually seem to look forward to it in a way because they can't wait to unwrap their next Christmas present and look forward to their next gem who they know is going to be good. It's like the opposite of PizzaBoyWorld. I wish we'd made a few more Woods-like signings this summer though..... Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. Are we the fans partially to blame, we demand instant success,we should be at the top of this league, this team of complete strangers should overpower a team of nobodies ? We will not accept 2-3 seasons in the EFL building a team of ambitious, driven & committed players who have come up the hard way or through our own youth system. Reaching the Premier League is achievable this way as proven by Burnley, Bournemouth etc it is also sustainable. Are we living in a false economy by buying success to quickly with players nearing the peaks of their careers and with little resale value or would it be wiser to invest in a long term plan set out by the owners but shared and understood by the fans ?
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 21, 2018 9:12:46 GMT
Style of play Brentford’s club structure is focused towards playing attractive, passing football, a blueprint the club have followed for several years.
Possessing an extensive passing range, gifting him his Pirlo nickname, Woods is constantly looking to dictate the game’s tempo.
Current Brentford manager Dean Smith is a huge admirer of what he brings to his team and spoke of how impressed he was with Woods when his side visited Villa Park, last season.
“He controlled the first half and got on the ball. He’s got great movement, he wriggles out of tight spaces really well but he’s got great awareness of others on the pitch.”
But he is more than just a cultured footballer. He has a steeliness that sees him dominate the middle of the park and endears him to fans.
Vocal throughout a game, Woods carries leadership qualities out on the pitch and possesses a clear vision of what he expects from his team-mates, making him the archetypal ‘captain without the armband’.
With the ability to both drive forward with the ball and battle for possession, it’s this dynamism that makes him the linchpin of Smith’s side.
Woods’ all-round game also lends itself to versatility, too, having played in both full-back positions, as well as out wide on occasion.
Sounds like he's EXACTLY what we've been missing.
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Post by marshy on Aug 21, 2018 9:14:58 GMT
Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. Are we the fans partially to blame, we demand instant success,we should be at the top of this league, this team of complete strangers should overpower a team of nobodies ? We will not accept 2-3 seasons in the EFL building a team of ambitious, driven & committed players who have come up the hard way or through our own youth system. Reaching the Premier League is achievable this way as proven by Burnley, Bournemouth etc it is also sustainable. Are we living in a false economy by buying success to quickly with players nearing the peaks of their careers and with little resale value or would it be wiser to invest in a long term plan set out by the owners but shared and understood by the fans ? You are probably right and if you buy and play youth they will naturally make mistakes as they are learning. I accept this season is a bit of an anomaly in that we would be a bit silly to not go for it with proven players like Afobe and Ince given the financial disparity with the majority of the other teams. But whatever happens this year and particularly if we don't go up we need to approach who we target in a different way.
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Post by rawli on Aug 21, 2018 9:15:42 GMT
Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. Are we the fans partially to blame, we demand instant success,we should be at the top of this league, this team of complete strangers should overpower a team of nobodies ? We will not accept 2-3 seasons in the EFL building a team of ambitious, driven & committed players who have come up the hard way or through our own youth system. Reaching the Premier League is achievable this way as proven by Burnley, Bournemouth etc it is also sustainable. Are we living in a false economy by buying success to quickly with players nearing the peaks of their careers and with little resale value or would it be wiser to invest in a long term plan set out by the owners but shared and understood by the fans ? I think it's irrelevant. Whoever we buy is deemed to be dogshit. Either past it, too young, too old, not good enough, too cheap, too expensive, not hard enough, a walking red card. And that's before we've even signed them.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 21, 2018 9:20:53 GMT
We must be in violation of FFP rules. We amortise the transfer prices over the length of the contract. So maybe we can get away with it this year but surely if we are in the Championship next season and our revenue drops by another 40M we must be facing a huge loss.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 9:23:15 GMT
I think we were hoping to do this in the Premier League on a bigger scale, it seems the only transfer it really worked out on is Arnautovic though. Had we stayed up I'm sure we would have got a reasonable fee for Shaqiri, and when Butland finds his form we should make a pretty penny when he goes too. I think you're right in that it was a plan using the German market for example in signing Arnie, Diouf and Wollscheid for a pretty low combined fee and the likes of Ramadan from abroad. I do think the past year or two though that strategy has disappeared somewhat and been replaced by a "must have prem experience" model. That's fine but it makes the players automatically more expensive and the players we went after by and large were players struggling for game-time at other clubs. For example this season whereas we went out and got Ashley Williams in for a years loan where we are likely to be paying a large amount of his wages and a decent loan fee Brentford signed England U21 international Ezri Konsa for £2.5m from Charlton. I think Williams has been good so far but I would much rather us go down the lower league younger players route in future. I don't think I've ever seen Woods play but he sounds like the kind of player we need and its this type of signing I'd like to see more of in the future. I'd love to see us bringing in young UK players with potential from the lower leagues or signing the unwanted youth players from the big PL clubs, Shawcross is a perfect example of how that can work for us. Perhaps they saw it as too big of a risk last season but I think that attitude has to change, large loan fees / wages for experienced players hasn't worked out for us and it really is money wasted. We are going to need a massive clearout if we don't make it back to the premier league by the end of next season, perhaps we will all be happier for it in the long run though when all the mercenaries have gone.
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Post by stokiepoe on Aug 21, 2018 9:23:40 GMT
Could this be Ryan Woods replacement?
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 21, 2018 9:25:19 GMT
Brentford signed a young midfielder from Arsenal today Josh Da Silva.....Given number 14 so sounds like one for the bench where Woods has been sitting.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 21, 2018 9:29:05 GMT
Glad that good weather has passed, otherwise we'd have been even shitter with all these gingers coming into the team!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 9:46:38 GMT
Can’t wait for FM19 so I can sort this mess out. All will be set to rights after I’ve enforced my dictatorship on the club, I know best. FM13 would be an improvement on the Cartwright and Scholes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2018 9:57:30 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 21, 2018 9:58:39 GMT
We must be in violation of FFP rules. We amortise the transfer prices over the length of the contract. So maybe we can get away with it this year but surely if we are in the Championship next season and our revenue drops by another 40M we must be facing a huge loss. We are allowed to make a £35 million loss for each of the next two seasons and our revenue won’t drop by £40 million next season, we lose about £10 million on parachute payments. Clearly we ant to reduce our wage bill by moving on the surplus but we are well within the rules.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 21, 2018 10:01:23 GMT
I bought a packet of Ginger nuts yesterday - no really I did - not had any for ages. Must be fate. Any more Gingers out there we can sign? Louis Spence?
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Post by dadofsam on Aug 21, 2018 10:07:11 GMT
Sounds just what we need - fuck one in one out and not losing face over that twat Badou just do eet.
Cue an offer of £3 million to be paid in weekly instalments.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2018 10:07:35 GMT
Really important to get a move on with this one even if it happens ahead of NDiaye move I can see that Galatasary may be in a stronger position to improve their side of the deal, but he will leave at some point we don't want to be 'gazumped" by a rival " dependent on simultaneously agreeing the sale of Badou Ndiaye back to Galatasaray" - come on Stoke, take the lead on this one
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Post by Vestan Pance on Aug 21, 2018 10:19:13 GMT
I think this is a move to allay a realisation that we've all seen, that the championship has moved forward significantly.
In all games to date, we've over-run in midfield. Allen & A.N. Other simply isn't working, certainly where they have been playing. We're trying to mask too many glaring issues in the team.
I'm desperately disappointed with the start to be honest. We've been reactionary, unsettled, devoid of a plan, an idea of our starting XI or a cogent game plan. We've spent heavily and significantly yet seem reliant on older players and there are key areas of the playing staff that have yet to be addressed fully. Hopefully this will be a big step forward.
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Post by liamo on Aug 21, 2018 10:23:20 GMT
So we're going to have to rely on Harry and Lloyd to do 2 deals simultaneously? This one's over before it's started
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 21, 2018 10:34:54 GMT
They’re Brentford. What choice do they have? They and other clubs and us to a certain extent have been that for years and will continue to be. That’s modern football. It’s credit to them to be fair. But let’s be honest we’re not renowned for being the most patient set of fans, the 19 year old French 4th division midfielder we brought in to replace our star midfielder would be labelled as “absolutely shit” on here after his first appearance as a 20 minute substitute..... I completely agree.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 21, 2018 10:35:58 GMT
Brentford certainly seem to be very clever with their transfer business. They've made a profit for the last 4 years whilst seemingly improving their team. They basically bring in 3 or 4 fairly young players for £1-2m each season - either from the lower leagues or abroad (never from a prem team) They then sell them on a year or two later for good profit and rinse and repeat. I so wish we were able to take this approach. I do wonder how long the "stepping stone" mentality which seems to be at the club will keep the fans and manager happy though. I think we were hoping to do this in the Premier League on a bigger scale, it seems the only transfer it really worked out on is Arnautovic though. Had we stayed up I'm sure we would have got a reasonable fee for Shaqiri, and when Butland finds his form we should make a pretty penny when he goes too. We didn’t do that in the Prem. We did the dog’s home thing again only with overseas players rather than British ones.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 21, 2018 10:48:43 GMT
It's self sufficiency! You're right - fuck Laurel and hardy off and use the money to buy their transfer team. It would be a cute move to end all cute moves. The problem with that is their transfer strategy is based on complex algorithms that were dreamt up by their Chairman, who is an ex gambler cum modern day bookie, and his mate who happens to be a top stats analyst. In other words it's come from the top down. Do we have such brains in our upper echelons? Having one of the world's largest betting companies owning the club then you would hope so.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 21, 2018 10:51:58 GMT
We must be in violation of FFP rules. We amortise the transfer prices over the length of the contract. So maybe we can get away with it this year but surely if we are in the Championship next season and our revenue drops by another 40M we must be facing a huge loss. We are allowed to make a £35 million loss for each of the next two seasons and our revenue won’t drop by £40 million next season, we lose about £10 million on parachute payments. Clearly we ant to reduce our wage bill by moving on the surplus but we are well within the rules. One major factor that people are not taking into account with FFP is bums on seats ! If attendances start to drop are estimated revenue drops on FFP scale, has the club given a exact official figure for the N/o season tickets sold ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2018 10:58:12 GMT
Looks like Lawrence played with him in 2014-15 at Shrewsbury..
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 21, 2018 11:01:20 GMT
Looks like Lawrence played with him in 2014-15 at Shrewsbury.. Get that phone 📞 burning Liam !
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Post by skelman on Aug 21, 2018 11:01:20 GMT
We are allowed to make a £35 million loss for each of the next two seasons and our revenue won’t drop by £40 million next season, we lose about £10 million on parachute payments. Clearly we ant to reduce our wage bill by moving on the surplus but we are well within the rules. One major factor that people are not taking into account with FFP is bums on seats ! If attendances start to drop are estimated revenue drops on FFP scale, has the club given a exact official figure for the N/o season tickets sold ? Maybe that's a job that could be delegated to Laurel & Hardy! Then again they'd even fcuk that up once they ran out of fingers and toes!
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Post by uknorse on Aug 21, 2018 11:03:37 GMT
Glad that good weather has passed, otherwise we'd have been even shitter with all these gingers coming into the team! RACIST PIG ;-)
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Post by Northy on Aug 21, 2018 11:20:55 GMT
Glad that good weather has passed, otherwise we'd have been even shitter with all these gingers coming into the team! Jesus fookin wept no wonder Stoke on Trent can't shake off the being thick tag with posts like this
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