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Post by juiceandbits on Mar 30, 2018 11:52:56 GMT
A well-backed McCarthy would be a decent option in that league. Not a sexy one at all - but ask Cardiff fans if they're bothered about that with Warnock! We'll have to see something from Lambert in these last few games to give himself even a case to stay on. He's been a disaster so far Why are you under the impression that Lambert will be gone, and why does this thread even exist anyway? Where's the evidence that we're ruthless and sack managers when they're not performing rather than backing them again and again until their position becomes beyond untenable? Even if John Coates does have more influence over the next manager I don't see him sacking Lambert. It'll be easier to back him and give him a chance in the Championship. I don't wanna bang the QSF drum but he would have been ideal for that league.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 30, 2018 11:57:55 GMT
A well-backed McCarthy would be a decent option in that league. Not a sexy one at all - but ask Cardiff fans if they're bothered about that with Warnock! We'll have to see something from Lambert in these last few games to give himself even a case to stay on. He's been a disaster so far Why are you under the impression that Lambert will be gone, and why does this thread even exist anyway? Where's the evidence that we're ruthless and sack managers when they're not performing rather than backing them again and again until their position becomes beyond untenable? Even if John Coates does have more influence over the next manager I don't see him sacking Lambert. It'll be easier to back him and give him a chance in the Championship. I don't wanna bang the QSF drum but he would have been ideal for that league. And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 12:13:27 GMT
Whatever league we're in, if Fulham don't come up via the play-offs, we should look to Jokanovic.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 30, 2018 12:17:23 GMT
A well backed McCarthy would fill me with more optimism in the championship than the mumbling Scotsman!!!
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Post by juiceandbits on Mar 30, 2018 12:45:02 GMT
And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear? Obviously not - but could more have been done with this squad? Is it really so bad that we couldn't get wins against the teams around us? Leicester are a much better team than us and bar a Jack Butland screw up we probably would have won there. Aside from relying on Shaq I don't think PL has done anything to improve the offensive side of this team - I actually think he's made it worse.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 30, 2018 12:47:20 GMT
Why are you under the impression that Lambert will be gone, and why does this thread even exist anyway? Where's the evidence that we're ruthless and sack managers when they're not performing rather than backing them again and again until their position becomes beyond untenable? Even if John Coates does have more influence over the next manager I don't see him sacking Lambert. It'll be easier to back him and give him a chance in the Championship. I don't wanna bang the QSF drum but he would have been ideal for that league. And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear? Probably not but should we persist with him if the sows ear has started to rot and decompose?
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2018 12:53:02 GMT
Why are you under the impression that Lambert will be gone, and why does this thread even exist anyway? Where's the evidence that we're ruthless and sack managers when they're not performing rather than backing them again and again until their position becomes beyond untenable? Even if John Coates does have more influence over the next manager I don't see him sacking Lambert. It'll be easier to back him and give him a chance in the Championship. I don't wanna bang the QSF drum but he would have been ideal for that league. And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear? He's 7 without a win, which will be 8 after Arsenal, for sure he inherited a beggars muddle, but any manager would feel a bit of heat on their jacksy after a run like this, I actually think we are getting worse, we're not far off free-fall and he seems to be falling out or putting on the naughty step many of the players who may actually help him. The time for the player inquests is in the summer, his key task now was to get everyone pulling in the same direction and I don't sense that is happening. If this was the alternative we should have kept Sparky and let him see this thing through to its denouement whether that be relegation or survival.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 30, 2018 15:30:40 GMT
And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear? He's 7 without a win, which will be 8 after Arsenal, for sure he inherited a beggars muddle, but any manager would feel a bit of heat on their jacksy after a run like this, I actually think we are getting worse, we're not far off free-fall and he seems to be falling out or putting on the naughty step many of the players who may actually help him. The time for the player inquests is in the summer, his key task now was to get everyone pulling in the same direction and I don't sense that is happening. If this was the alternative we should have kept Sparky and let him see this thing through to its denouement whether that be relegation or survival. Who? Pieters? Affelay? Do you know what has really happened with either of these? Would it be good to allow players to just do what they feel and infect the rest of the squad? It's easy to second guess from the sidelines.
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2018 15:39:31 GMT
He's 7 without a win, which will be 8 after Arsenal, for sure he inherited a beggars muddle, but any manager would feel a bit of heat on their jacksy after a run like this, I actually think we are getting worse, we're not far off free-fall and he seems to be falling out or putting on the naughty step many of the players who may actually help him. The time for the player inquests is in the summer, his key task now was to get everyone pulling in the same direction and I don't sense that is happening. If this was the alternative we should have kept Sparky and let him see this thing through to its denouement whether that be relegation or survival. Who? Pieters? Affelay? Do you know what has really happened with either of these? Would it be good to allow players to just do what they feel and infect the rest of the squad? It's easy to second guess from the sidelines. There isn't only one kind of leadership. I think he needed to inspire them, influence what they feel, and how they react, make them feel good about themselves and the role they could play. We have fewer than 11 short hours of Premier League football left to play, its not a time for recriminations, he needed to get everyone lined up and playing a part.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 30, 2018 15:50:43 GMT
Fulham winning again.....we really missed out big time there on Jokanovic....sigh!!!
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Post by stokemark on Mar 30, 2018 16:01:27 GMT
Why are you under the impression that Lambert will be gone, and why does this thread even exist anyway? Where's the evidence that we're ruthless and sack managers when they're not performing rather than backing them again and again until their position becomes beyond untenable? Even if John Coates does have more influence over the next manager I don't see him sacking Lambert. It'll be easier to back him and give him a chance in the Championship. I don't wanna bang the QSF drum but he would have been ideal for that league. And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear? It's not about being fair it's about what's good for Stoke City Lambert was a desperation appointment - do you want to keep a manager who was appointed when no one else would take the job (well no one who wanted some money and autonomy) to waste another season with someone just to be 'fair' Fuck Lambert if it means the best for Stoke (and he is far from the best)
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 30, 2018 17:40:51 GMT
Who? Pieters? Affelay? Do you know what has really happened with either of these? Would it be good to allow players to just do what they feel and infect the rest of the squad? It's easy to second guess from the sidelines. There isn't only one kind of leadership. I think he needed to inspire them, influence what they feel, and how they react, make them feel good about themselves and the role they could play. We have fewer than 11 short hours of Premier League football left to play, its not a time for recriminations, he needed to get everyone lined up and playing a part. I repeat: Who? Do you know what happened or what was said? I’m betting you don’t. But hey, don’t let that get in the way of your pontificating.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 30, 2018 17:43:32 GMT
And is it fair to sack someone because they could not make a silk purse out of a sows ear? It's not about being fair it's about what's good for Stoke City Lambert was a desperation appointment - do you want to keep a manager who was appointed when no one else would take the job (well no one who wanted some money and autonomy) to waste another season with someone just to be 'fair' Fuck Lambert if it means the best for Stoke (and he is far from the best) So having appointed him, you really think “ best for Stoke” would be to fire him and get someone else for the last few games?!?! I can’t imagine what that would do for morale of everyone and probably give our opposition a boost too.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 30, 2018 17:45:44 GMT
If we go down and decide not to stick with Lambert I wouldn't mind TP as our new manager, but I don't know if that is possible. He would take us up though and steady the ship again. I got great belief in the guy, I really have I must admit!
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 30, 2018 17:58:30 GMT
It's not about being fair it's about what's good for Stoke City Lambert was a desperation appointment - do you want to keep a manager who was appointed when no one else would take the job (well no one who wanted some money and autonomy) to waste another season with someone just to be 'fair' Fuck Lambert if it means the best for Stoke (and he is far from the best) So having appointed him, you really think “ best for Stoke” would be to fire him and get someone else for the last few games?!?! I can’t imagine what that would do for morale of everyone and probably give our opposition a boost too. I'd love to know who this "someone else" Is? Whether in the Prem or Championship. Even back in January. There is a distinct lack of decent managers available or even available for poaching. Think the merry go round is grinding to a halt. One poster suggested to me that we should have gone for Ancelotti. Was this realistic? If Paul Lambert walked out tomorrow ... I would be seriously having difficulty trying to think of a replacement.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 30, 2018 17:59:20 GMT
Not Lambert.
Nothing and no one from 2017/18 has any real credit. New broom from top to bottom.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 30, 2018 18:08:31 GMT
If we go down and decide not to stick with Lambert I wouldn't mind TP as our new manager, but I don't know if that is possible. He would take us up though and steady the ship again. I got great belief in the guy, I really have I must admit! Naaah.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 30, 2018 18:10:30 GMT
Fulham winning again.....we really missed out big time there on Jokanovic....sigh!!! Shame his name isn't McKanovic or O'Kanovic. He might have been considered.
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 30, 2018 18:11:46 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down
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Post by thevoid on Mar 30, 2018 18:27:22 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down I know, he was fighting job offers off with a bat.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 30, 2018 18:34:39 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down Nigel Adkins had just got the Hull job ahead of him. With the prospect of £1m bonus for keeping us up with nearly half a season left, he'd have had to have been crackers to turn down a contract to the end of the season (Moyes and Hughes had exactly the same deal) I still can't believe we appointed him full stop, let alone with no option to get rid this summer.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 30, 2018 18:36:38 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down Not really sure about that. There could have been a decent severance package in the offer in the event of relegation. The mind boggling situation of giving him a two and half year contract come what may is beyond comprehension.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 30, 2018 18:43:18 GMT
It's not about being fair it's about what's good for Stoke City Lambert was a desperation appointment - do you want to keep a manager who was appointed when no one else would take the job (well no one who wanted some money and autonomy) to waste another season with someone just to be 'fair' Fuck Lambert if it means the best for Stoke (and he is far from the best) So having appointed him, you really think “ best for Stoke” would be to fire him and get someone else for the last few games?!?! I can’t imagine what that would do for morale of everyone and probably give our opposition a boost too. No not for the last few game I don't but as soon as this wretched season is over
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Post by stokemark on Mar 30, 2018 18:45:03 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down It was a big wrench for him to stop visiting German markets and join Stoke
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 30, 2018 19:09:20 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down He won’t win another game this season , and that should see him gone and he can cab share with the executive# that appointed him
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2018 19:13:51 GMT
There isn't only one kind of leadership. I think he needed to inspire them, influence what they feel, and how they react, make them feel good about themselves and the role they could play. We have fewer than 11 short hours of Premier League football left to play, its not a time for recriminations, he needed to get everyone lined up and playing a part. I repeat: Who? Do you know what happened or what was said? I’m betting you don’t. But hey, don’t let that get in the way of your pontificating. Of course I don't but it doesn't matter who or what, the time for pissing about with petty internal squabbles has long since gone, we have 11 hours of football to save our very lives. That's the brutal reality the manager should be lining everyone up behind. One last push, everyone together.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 30, 2018 19:16:25 GMT
So having appointed him, you really think “ best for Stoke” would be to fire him and get someone else for the last few games?!?! I can’t imagine what that would do for morale of everyone and probably give our opposition a boost too. No not for the last few game I don't but as soon as this wretched season is over Agreed, no point firing him now it's too late.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 30, 2018 19:19:06 GMT
So is Lambert now going to discipline Shaquiri for his interview / comments in the Swiss magazine ?
Needs to be consistent
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2018 20:25:42 GMT
I wonder if Scholes might speak to the Coates family after the Arsenal defeat and let Lambert know we are calling 'time' on his short and troubled tenure on Monday lunchtime.
Lambert has made the 1 cardinal error he couldn't afford to do which is to fall out with the players who might have saved us.
I suppose would have to put a temporary manager in charge to oversee the final 6 games and ensure our relegation takes place is as neat and tidy a fashion as possible.
Then the search is on again in May/June.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 30, 2018 20:30:19 GMT
Paul lambert will be our manager next season, there's no way he would of took the job if there was a chance he'd be sacked if we went down You mean the same way Hughes took the job until the end of the season at Southampton??? That's EXACTLY what we should have done instead of offering Lambert a two and a half year contract!!! This season has been absolutely rammed of monumental cock ups from the top!!!
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