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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 25, 2018 11:16:47 GMT
Been saying this since "last" season, never mind this!!! He should have been the first choice straight away, and we should have gone all out to get him!!! He probably was gettable in mid-January. Fulham were outside the play-offs when Lambert was appointed, and Jokanovic was moaning about lack of support from the board. But wouldn't have thought there was any chance at all of getting him now, even if Fulham don't get promoted. Aside from a punt on a foreign QSF-type, we probably are looking at a lower-league punt now. Sounds like Moyes will be available at West Ham, and can see Coates being interested there. Would Marco Silva take it? Probably not. Derek McInnes continues to do pretty well at Aberdeen? The Brentford manager, Dean Smith, continues to get plaudits. But Paul Cook seems an interesting option. Chesterfield L2 8th L2 1st L1 6th Portsmouth L2 1st Wigan L1 2nd It'll be depressing if Lambert's in charge. Yeah, I agree were Jokanovic is concerned...we've probably missed the boat there now "UNLESS" Fulham miss out on promotion!!! Paul Cook and Dean Smith also look to have decent records at the mo.... I pretty much think we'll stick with Lambert unfortunately!!! When you look at Southampton and how they've hired Mark Hughes until the end of the season....just makes you wonder (where Stoke are concerned) just how many fuck ups one club can make in a season!!!
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2018 11:18:41 GMT
Of course we will stick with Lambert. Far too decisive for Coates to change again so quickly.
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 25, 2018 11:47:13 GMT
Plenty will disagree but i think lambert deserves his chance
We are F#cked because hughes,scholes and carto spent 50 million quid on imbulla,berahino and wimmer and they are all rubbish.
Its a total shambles but its not lambert's total shambles
I would give the bloke his chance
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 25, 2018 15:17:24 GMT
Have we been relegated yet or have I missed something It's not a mathematical certainty but unfortunately you don't need to spend too long with a league table, a form guide and the fixtures calendar to come to the realisation that the game is well and truly up! Gods I was looking to you for inspiration as well , please don’t shatter my premier dream , the next thing your going to tell me is Sadio couldn’t score in the queens on a Friday night 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2018 15:18:43 GMT
It will be Lambert.
Which is a joke.
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Post by Gods on Mar 25, 2018 16:21:33 GMT
It's not a mathematical certainty but unfortunately you don't need to spend too long with a league table, a form guide and the fixtures calendar to come to the realisation that the game is well and truly up! Gods I was looking to you for inspiration as well , please don’t shatter my premier dream , the next thing your going to tell me is Sadio couldn’t score in the queens on a Friday night 😂 I think the Queens has closed mate, I had a look last weekend, just out of curiosity of course!
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 25, 2018 16:24:50 GMT
Gods I was looking to you for inspiration as well , please don’t shatter my premier dream , the next thing your going to tell me is Sadio couldn’t score in the queens on a Friday night 😂 I think the Queens has closed mate, I had a look last weekend, just out of curiosity of course! Lol yes it has , and he wouldn’t of scored in the old shellys in longton , or the wayfarer on the A34 near stone , oh the good old days before I got married I was so happy then
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 25, 2018 16:30:11 GMT
We don't know for sure there's not a break clause in our favour, do we? (and it's not the kind of thing that would be mentioned in an appointment announcement designed to give some stability) Lambert was utterly desperate a nd even top half Championship clubs wouldn't have touched him with 2 barge poles. If we've boxed ourselves in without one, we really do need our heads examined If?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 25, 2018 17:36:06 GMT
I find it strange that anyone thinks its going to be anyone else other than Lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 17:52:04 GMT
An ambitious club would bring in a good foreign coach that has good pedigree, or one of the better managers in the Championship and back them with serious cash. We'll stick with Lambert and give him 2 and 6 to spend safe in the knowledge that he will be a convenient shield for the board with the fans anger that will no doubt follow. A fair percentage of the fans are already falling for it.
Some of the names being bandied about here are frightening.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 25, 2018 18:06:19 GMT
An ambitious club would bring in a good foreign coach that has good pedigree, or one of the better managers in the Championship and back them with serious cash. We'll stick with Lambert and give him 2 and 6 to spend safe in the knowledge that he will be a convenient shield for the board with the fans anger that will no doubt follow. A fair percentage of the fans are already falling for it. Some of the names being bandied about here are frightening. Like the idea, but can you come up with any names that'd fit the bill that we could realistically attract from abroad - or effectively poach from a rival C'ship club? I think we could realistically poach from Brentford or Preston - but the list of bright prospects in the C'ship does seem pretty small. And Jaap Stam was one this time last year. This is a regime that ended up with a no-mark like Lambert when we could have sold any new man a very realistic chance of staying up with more than 1/3 of the season left! I think we need to move on from Lambert though - he's done nowt for about 6 yrs, and that was with a backroom staff that he hasn't worked with since after they were sacked early on at Villa.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 25, 2018 18:16:50 GMT
It's completely obvious that Lambert is going to be manager next season...... depressing but true.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 25, 2018 18:24:07 GMT
Actually I think his record is likely to be so poor in 7 games time they will hsve no choice to admit another catastrophic mistake , can easily see no mor3 wins and 5 defeats that would surely see him gone .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 18:31:28 GMT
An ambitious club would bring in a good foreign coach that has good pedigree, or one of the better managers in the Championship and back them with serious cash. We'll stick with Lambert and give him 2 and 6 to spend safe in the knowledge that he will be a convenient shield for the board with the fans anger that will no doubt follow. A fair percentage of the fans are already falling for it. Some of the names being bandied about here are frightening. Like the idea, but can you come up with any names that'd fit the bill that we could realistically attract from abroad - or effectively poach from a rival C'ship club? I think we could realistically poach from Brentford or Preston - but the list of bright prospects in the C'ship does seem pretty small. And Jaap Stam was one this time last year. This is a regime that ended up with a no-mark like Lambert when we could have sold any new man a very realistic chance of staying up with more than 1/3 of the season left! I think we need to move on from Lambert though - he's done nowt for about 6 yrs, and that was with a backroom staff that he hasn't worked with since after they were sacked early on at Villa. This is where we have to differentiate from what me and you would do, and other owners would do and what the current owners would and are likely to do. We are all stuck in the negative mindset of "who could we attract?" because that is what we are being fed from the owners with their choices of manager and how they are now running the club. Pulis, Hughes, Lambert. All chips off the old block with varying degrees of difference in style. When we went to replace Hughes we were fed QSF, O'Neill and ended up with Lambert. Couple that with the self sufficiency drive and this time next year we could be pining for Lambert should he leave in the summer. With more ambitious owners and senior managers/executives we could realistically poach any manager in the Championship and attract a damn good coach from abroad. As it stands, sell to buy, replace with freebies and loans with TV money etc then why would any manager leave their job and come into a club that has been visibly declining for the last 18 months with owners that look like they've given up?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 29, 2018 11:42:05 GMT
Would Mick McCarthy appeal to Coates?
Old school.
Over-achieves on his budget, in a Warnockian way, with a number of promotions
Knows the division like the back of his hand
3 top 10s with Ipswich with a low wage bill and an owner who doesn't give a shit.
Desperately trying to think of Lambert alternatives that woild appeal to Peter.
Nigel Pearson? Paul Cook? Michael O'Neill? Derek McInnes? Dean Smith? Graham Potter? Alex Neil? Marco Silva? (unlikely)
Suppose if John Coates is moving into the ascendancy (as the QSF chase seemed to indicate), there's a chance we could go foreign and non-English-tested, but Champo teams normally end up with second-tier/third tier foreigners.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 29, 2018 11:49:15 GMT
Unfortunately I dont think we will make it out of this fix we are in now - For me its the boards fault on so many levels but I dont want to go down that path yet again. But does anyone think that Lambert is the man to get us back up? It appears that he prefers experienced players to youngsters (at least so far) and, if this continues and is a fair reflection of his mindset, I can imagine a Stoke championship team full of cheap (little or no money coming from the board) journeymen that will stabilise the club. (I really do think that the club will have little investment and once any big assets are disposed of, Butland etc, the club may be put up for sale - no matter what the Coates say out in the press). So what would be an alternative to lambert and his experienced journeymen? Well, we do seem to have a fair few decent youngsters coming through and (going with Peter Coates' long term wishes about the academy) therefore dont we need a manager that is known to support young players and help them flourish? I really think that it will be a cert that next year we will have a very young team on the pitch - so we need a manager that will manage them in the correct way. So shoot me down but what about Martin Jol? No club at the moment after leaving Egypt because of security risks. Knows English football Always brought young talent through, playing attractive football - as in his time at Spurs (and a bonus that Sobhi and the Egyptians love him!) yes hes 62 - but is that really too old? Just an idea. I would rather have a young British manager known to bring youngsters through, but my knowledge of lower league managers with such "qualifications" is lacking Im afraid. Anyone know of any other younger better British alternatives that will bring on our youngsters? I just cant see anything positive from keeping Lambert - I hope Im wrong. So what about Jol? Got to be more exciting than Lambert surely! (and a return the schexxshy football?) His Villa team was full of kids, to the point that other managers, namely Fergie, praised him for it.
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Post by robstokie on Mar 29, 2018 12:13:41 GMT
It will undoubtedly be Lambert - even if we don't win again this season, which is a depressing thought in itself....
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 29, 2018 15:17:23 GMT
It will be Lambert. Which is a joke. You'd have thought so but if he doesn't win another game then surely they'd have to make a decision.
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Post by sutekh on Mar 29, 2018 16:06:20 GMT
Would Mick McCarthy appeal to Coates? Old school. Over-achieves on his budget, in a Warnockian way, with a number of promotions Knows the division like the back of his hand 3 top 10s with Ipswich with a low wage bill and an owner who doesn't give a shit. Desperately trying to think of Lambert alternatives that woild appeal to Peter. Nigel Pearson? Paul Cook? Michael O'Neill? Derek McInnes? Dean Smith? Graham Potter? Alex Neil? Marco Silva? (unlikely) Suppose if John Coates is moving into the ascendancy (as the QSF chase seemed to indicate), there's a chance we could go foreign and non-English-tested, but Champo teams normally end up with second-tier/third tier foreigners. Or alternatively get out the cheque book and go balls out for jokanovic 👍
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Post by lordb on Mar 29, 2018 16:08:22 GMT
Would Mick McCarthy appeal to Coates? Old school. Over-achieves on his budget, in a Warnockian way, with a number of promotions Knows the division like the back of his hand 3 top 10s with Ipswich with a low wage bill and an owner who doesn't give a shit. Desperately trying to think of Lambert alternatives that woild appeal to Peter. Nigel Pearson? Paul Cook? Michael O'Neill? Derek McInnes? Dean Smith? Graham Potter? Alex Neil? Marco Silva? (unlikely) Suppose if John Coates is moving into the ascendancy (as the QSF chase seemed to indicate), there's a chance we could go foreign and non-English-tested, but Champo teams normally end up with second-tier/third tier foreigners. Or alternatively get out the cheque book and go balls out for jokanovic 👍 Why leave Fulham?
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 29, 2018 16:24:53 GMT
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Post by sutekh on Mar 29, 2018 16:39:53 GMT
Or alternatively get out the cheque book and go balls out for jokanovic 👍 Why leave Fulham? Because we are a bigger club with a bigger supporter base and have spent more years playing top flight nogger. Plus offer him a better deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 16:52:33 GMT
Graham Potter doesn't have any championship experience, 100% factually correct.
But he never will until somebody gives him the opportunity. What he's achieved over the last few years warrants him that opportunity in my opinion. Please don't serve me more of this drivel next year for God's sake.
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Post by rosco on Mar 29, 2018 17:34:53 GMT
Mick McCarthy anyone? 👀
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 29, 2018 17:58:00 GMT
If we do make a change then I think for once we need to be bold with the appointment. We may need to go back before we come forward but a bold & ambitious manager playing entertaining football after this season would give everyone a much needed lift.
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Post by Silvio on Mar 30, 2018 9:09:48 GMT
He wouldn't be my first choice but I would comfortably take McCarthy over Lambert. He knows the Championship and how to get out of it - promoted with both Wolves and Sunderland in the past. Would probably appeal to Coates as well.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 30, 2018 9:19:55 GMT
I always liked his no frills type of management & honesty. His side's also played decent football. Would appeal to Coates as he would be free & cheap, however I feel we need to be more ambitious with our next appointment when it comes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 30, 2018 9:26:34 GMT
A well-backed McCarthy would be a decent option in that league.
Not a sexy one at all - but ask Cardiff fans if they're bothered about that with Warnock!
We'll have to see something from Lambert in these last few games to give himself even a case to stay on. He's been a disaster so far
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 30, 2018 9:35:47 GMT
He probably was gettable in mid-January. Fulham were outside the play-offs when Lambert was appointed, and Jokanovic was moaning about lack of support from the board. But wouldn't have thought there was any chance at all of getting him now, even if Fulham don't get promoted. Aside from a punt on a foreign QSF-type, we probably are looking at a lower-league punt now. Sounds like Moyes will be available at West Ham, and can see Coates being interested there. Would Marco Silva take it? Probably not. Derek McInnes continues to do pretty well at Aberdeen? The Brentford manager, Dean Smith, continues to get plaudits. But Paul Cook seems an interesting option. Chesterfield L2 8th L2 1st L1 6th Portsmouth L2 1st Wigan L1 2nd It'll be depressing if Lambert's in charge. Yeah, I agree were Jokanovic is concerned...we've probably missed the boat there now "UNLESS" Fulham miss out on promotion!!! Paul Cook and Dean Smith also look to have decent records at the mo.... I pretty much think we'll stick with Lambert unfortunately!!! When you look at Southampton and how they've hired Mark Hughes until the end of the season....just makes you wonder (where Stoke are concerned) just how many fuck ups one club can make in a season!!! If Fulham stay in the the championship, he'd still probably stay there. Leafy west london and a possible revamp of craven cottage? or that shit hole of a ground we have and working under the three stooges? no brainer. we are 'ONLY' an option to top foreign players and managers whilst in the premier league, outside of it, we're not getting a second look form anyone. They don't come to Stoke for the scenery/shopping/lifestyle, they come for money, and very soon, that tap is getting turned off. thanks to the board and some players, (and it appears to the pleasure of some of our own fans) we're now going to be shedding an extraordinary amount of playing staff only to be replaced by second rate players who 'work hard' and a choice of managers who aren't good enough make the allardyce/pulis/moyes merry go round of british managerial candiadtes relegation will absolutely fuck this club for years to come
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 11:52:44 GMT
Anyone fancy Colin. He has a great record in the Championship.
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