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Post by PotterLog on Sept 28, 2020 15:49:36 GMT
And it seems hard to believe we'd bench Davies for a loan keeper either - or that Gunn would come without guarantees about being No.1 It'd be absolutely criminal to bench Davies but hey, it is Stoke. We're thin on the ground goalie-wise as it is, there's no point whatsoever signing a keeper as a #2 to Davies. If we're signing one he has to be good enough to go in as #1 immediately, otherwise we stay as we are and hope for the best.
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 28, 2020 15:51:19 GMT
We should have given Federici a new deal. Gunn won't come here on loan to warm the bench for the season.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 28, 2020 16:13:06 GMT
Just as an observation, isn't "warming the bench" now an archaic expression? Surely nowadays our pampered players have heated adjustable seats to earn their money from.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 28, 2020 16:20:07 GMT
Therein lies the problem. I don't think Saints were ever remotely interested in Jack and he aint going anywhere else. We're stuck. And it seems hard to believe we'd bench Davies for a loan keeper either - or that Gunn would come without guarantees about being No.1 Ideally someone in a similar position to Davies when he joined us, a permanent signing who will fight for a place in the starting 11 No guaranteed start for any new arrivals imo
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Post by walrus on Sept 28, 2020 16:37:19 GMT
Just as an observation, isn't "warming the bench" now an archaic expression? Surely nowadays our pampered players have heated adjustable seats to earn their money from. Quite the opposite. In these COVID times the players who train together every single day and wrestle with each other at set pieces couldn’t possibly be allowed to sit next to each other on the bench. It’s a seat in the stands for the subs these days.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 28, 2020 20:50:41 GMT
It'd be absolutely criminal to bench Davies but hey, it is Stoke. We're thin on the ground goalie-wise as it is, there's no point whatsoever signing a keeper as a #2 to Davies. If we're signing one he has to be good enough to go in as #1 immediately, otherwise we stay as we are and hope for the best. Don’t really understand. Why would we be hoping for the best with Davies in goal. He’s been top drawer since he took over from Butland. If we got another goalie surely it would be a number 2
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Post by Sfance on Sept 28, 2020 21:16:16 GMT
It's really quite simple. There are some on here who firmly believe that there is a quality issue with all these clean sheets that Davies keeps getting. Yes, he gets clean sheets, but they're not the best sort of clean sheets. I swear that some think that Daves is not good enough because the opposition only scores 0, because if only we had a better keeper, the opposition would be held to -1 or -2.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 28, 2020 21:20:07 GMT
We're thin on the ground goalie-wise as it is, there's no point whatsoever signing a keeper as a #2 to Davies. If we're signing one he has to be good enough to go in as #1 immediately, otherwise we stay as we are and hope for the best. Don’t really understand. Why would we be hoping for the best with Davies in goal. He’s been top drawer since he took over from Butland. If we got another goalie surely it would be a number 2 He's been average to solid, which alongside Butland appears to many as "top drawer". Long may his relative solidity continue but he's still fairly unproven, has weaknesses and relying on him and Butland is risky.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 28, 2020 21:30:17 GMT
Don’t really understand. Why would we be hoping for the best with Davies in goal. He’s been top drawer since he took over from Butland. If we got another goalie surely it would be a number 2 He's been average to solid, which alongside Butland appears to many as "top drawer". Long may his relative solidity continue but he's still fairly unproven, has weaknesses and relying on him and Butland is risky. [br Your obviously hard to please. What keeper who would come to stoke wouldn’t have weaknesses. We have some (proven) players and look how good they are. He has been doing better than solid mate
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 28, 2020 22:01:41 GMT
He's been average to solid, which alongside Butland appears to many as "top drawer". Long may his relative solidity continue but he's still fairly unproven, has weaknesses and relying on him and Butland is risky. [br Your obviously hard to please. What keeper who would come to stoke wouldn’t have weaknesses. We have some (proven) players and look how good they are. He has been doing better than solid mate He's taken his opportunity well but he doesn't convince me. I just think the squad is crying out for an experienced, commanding goalie a la De Goey/Crossley/Tommy. If not as #1 then at least as a dependable 2 for when and if Davies’ form dips - but then we're unlikely to get someone like that to come in as a number 2, hence why I think we need to sign a #1 and get rid of Butland. But we won't/can't do that, so we'll end up with what we've got at the moment. And hope for the best
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 29, 2020 8:04:09 GMT
It's really quite simple. There are some on here who firmly believe that there is a quality issue with all these clean sheets that Davies keeps getting. Yes, he gets clean sheets, but they're not the best sort of clean sheets. I swear that some think that Daves is not good enough because the opposition only scores 0, because if only we had a better keeper, the opposition would be held to -1 or -2. It's no good keeping a clean sheet if he's not chipping in with goals at the other end. We won't go up drawing every game 0-0. I've yet to see him come close to scoring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 8:38:40 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 29, 2020 8:52:47 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get. I don't think many goalkeepers in the whole league system could have come in and done much better than Davies, he has been top notch in my opinion!
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 29, 2020 9:05:52 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get. And this is why you get shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 9:06:51 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get. And this is why you get shit. For being honest?
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 29, 2020 10:08:06 GMT
And this is why you get shit. For being honest? No , for thinking your own opinion is always right and that others are wrong ,Davies although as not set the world on fire since coming into the team but he’s done extremely well , better than I thought he would , but hey that’s my opinion
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Post by thehoof on Sept 29, 2020 10:12:32 GMT
What makes anyone think Angus Gunn is any good- his stats are poor to boarderline shocking!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 10:23:12 GMT
No , for thinking your own opinion is always right and that others are wrong ,Davies although as not set the world on fire since coming into the team but he’s done extremely well , better than I thought he would , but hey that’s my opinion I don't think others are wrong, I do think they're overinflated because of what came before. It's something that always happens on here! He's been better than I thought he would too. He's been ok/fine We're agreeing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:27:31 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get. I don't think many goalkeepers in the whole league system could have come in and done much better than Davies, he has been top notch in my opinion! 11 starts, 7 clean sheets, 5 goals conceded. Doesn't get much better than that unless you're a goalkeeper playing for Liverpool, Juventus or Bayern Munich.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 10:29:29 GMT
I don't think many goalkeepers in the whole league system could have come in and done much better than Davies, he has been top notch in my opinion! 11 starts, 7 clean sheets, 5 goals conceded. Doesn't get much better than that unless your a goalkeeper playing for Liverpool, Juventus or Bayern Munich......... But you think James Chester has done well. So yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:45:05 GMT
11 starts, 7 clean sheets, 5 goals conceded. Doesn't get much better than that unless your a goalkeeper playing for Liverpool, Juventus or Bayern Munich......... But you think James Chester has done well. So yeah. Another clean sheet on Saturday. Well done James lad....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 10:48:49 GMT
But you think James Chester has done well. So yeah. Another clean sheet on Saturday. Well done James lad.... Deary me
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2020 11:05:44 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get. bog standard goalies don't keep 5 clean sheets in 6 games (& how many when he came in last season?) unless of course you think the defenders picked in those games (Baatth, Chester) are so outstanding that even a 'bog standard' goalie is keeping a multitude of clean sheets this refusal to accept that Davies has been excellent is ridiculous as it is embarrassing it's OK to admit you were wrong, try it you might feel better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 11:07:33 GMT
It's mainly the overrating of a bog standard goalie because he's not the Conference level player we had before I don't get. bog standard goalies don't keep 5 clean sheets in 6 games (& how many when he came in last season?) unless of course you think the defenders picked in those games (Baatth, Chester) are so outstanding that even a 'bog standard' goalie is keeping a multitude of clean sheets this refusal to accept that Davies has been excellent is ridiculous as it is embarrassing it's OK to admit you were wrong, try it you might feel better I think the whole set up is so mind numbingly defensive and negative that it should happen. I don't think he's been excellent though, why would I say that when I don't think it's happened?
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 29, 2020 11:21:26 GMT
bog standard goalies don't keep 5 clean sheets in 6 games (& how many when he came in last season?) unless of course you think the defenders picked in those games (Baatth, Chester) are so outstanding that even a 'bog standard' goalie is keeping a multitude of clean sheets this refusal to accept that Davies has been excellent is ridiculous as it is embarrassing it's OK to admit you were wrong, try it you might feel better I think the whole set up is so mind numbingly defensive and negative that it should happen. I don't think he's been excellent though, why would I say that when I don't think it's happened? He's very likely to be player of the month (as is being voted for currently). Fully deserved I'm sure you'll agree 😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 11:22:19 GMT
I think the whole set up is so mind numbingly defensive and negative that it should happen. I don't think he's been excellent though, why would I say that when I don't think it's happened? He's very likely to be player of the month (as is being voted for currently). Fully deserved I'm sure you'll agree 😁 No of course I don't.
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Post by RF10 on Sept 29, 2020 11:35:09 GMT
He's very likely to be player of the month (as is being voted for currently). Fully deserved I'm sure you'll agree 😁 No of course I don't. I voted for him. Who do you think should be and why?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 11:35:09 GMT
Another clean sheet on Saturday. Well done James lad.... Deary me So it's not the keeper responsible for our clean sheets, it doesn't appear to be the defenders either. The kit man? Tea lady?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2020 11:37:53 GMT
No of course I don't. I voted for him. Who do you think should he and why? I voted Souttar. Think he's been outstanding in the games he's played so far and has been head and shoulders (literally and figeratively) above everyone else when he's played. Laughed at the Brown and Smith suggestions tbh and nodded at Davies but as I've said I don't think he's been anything but ok.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2020 11:39:20 GMT
4 goals conceded in 10 competitive games since Davies game in after the Leeds debacle. Not bad for an OK keeper and rubbish defence
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