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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2018 18:26:28 GMT
Desperate appointment, poor appointment however with no striker bought in January he is fighting with one arm tied behind his back, our options up front are abysmal thanks to mercurial Mark and his team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:26:29 GMT
Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi either left back Cameron Allen or N'Diaye Ramadan Shaq Jese Diouf Is easily a mid table side if they're coached right. I honestly don't see it. I think we're agreed that the defence is fine, but that midfield still looks desperately poor for a full season (which, with injuries, would inevitably lead to Fletcher or Adam playing plenty of football). I like Sobhi a lot, but I don't think he's been handled very well and has regressed badly - I'm not sure where next for him. Let's just say that I'm not sure that a team can accommodate both Shaqiri and Jese. I agree it's not ideal but it's a balanced side and is more than good enough to do well if managed correctly. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:26:32 GMT
We would have, he's right. It may be unspectacular but he's steadied the ship. It may all be too late, the damage was already done. Indeed. With a fully fit squad and 3 new players he's produced worse results against the same 6 teams than our previous manager could muster with a decimated by injury back 4. Brilliant. We are so lucky. Under Hughes we were getting relegated. We might still get relegated, but we had to change something. Relegation-threatened Stoke City, with an ageing squad, and a Board looking to put the brakes on 'big' spending, is not an attractive proposition for a proven, in demand, decent manager imo. That's why we are where we are. |
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Post by milky on Mar 3, 2018 18:28:10 GMT
Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 Yet he brought crouch on at half time. We just ended up with a totally unnecessary change at left back for the sake of 20 odd minutes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:28:22 GMT
Only pick the one flair player and have nothing else. There are options. He doesn't have to use the aging players either. Having Johnson on the bench over Edwards is embarrassing. What other flair player can he pick? We have one in the whole squad! Attacking wise, he’s inherited a pretty disgraceful forward line. Defensively we’ve always had good players but pre-lambert they were playing shit and the one thing everyone can admire since lamberts come here, is that we’re miles better defensively. You’re moaning about a player who was on the bench as a last resort no doubt and wasn’t needed. Get a grip. On the pitch we’re much better considering what was being witnessed prior to him. Lambert is not to blame, the board are to blame for not successfully replacing Arnautovic and getting an adequate striker in the last 2 windows. Jese and Ramadan are more than good enough. We sent two good young players out on loan too who could have been used. We've gone back to 10 men behind the ball hoofball but we don't like we will nick a win. It's piss poor. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:28:38 GMT
Indeed. With a fully fit squad and 3 new players he's produced worse results against the same 6 teams than our previous manager could muster with a decimated by injury back 4. Brilliant. We are so lucky. Under Hughes we were getting relegated. We might still get relegated, but we had to change something. Relegation-threatened Stoke City, with an ageing squad, and a Board looking to put the brakes on 'big' spending, is not an attractive proposition for a proven, in demand, decent manager imo. That's why we are where we are. Under Lambert we are getting relegated. What's the difference? And if that is what the case is behind the scenes, Hughes did a great job in keeping us afloat for 4 years. |
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Post by TheBra1n on Mar 3, 2018 18:28:53 GMT
6 games in with 1 defeat and 3 clean sheets but hes got to go ?? I can't believe I'm saying this but we'd have gotten more under Hughes. i just cant see that im afraid, for all the world it looked like Hughes had lost the dressing room at the time of his death  |
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Post by werrington on Mar 3, 2018 18:29:38 GMT
Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 So why was he on the bench then ? He changed 3 positions with that one sub ....that’s Pulis esque |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:30:01 GMT
He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 Yet he brought crouch on at half time. We just ended up with a totally unnecessary change at left back for the sake of 20 odd minutes. I totally agree mate,was just passing on what he said |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:30:45 GMT
Under Hughes we were getting relegated. We might still get relegated, but we had to change something. Relegation-threatened Stoke City, with an ageing squad, and a Board looking to put the brakes on 'big' spending, is not an attractive proposition for a proven, in demand, decent manager imo. That's why we are where we are. Under Lambert we are getting relegated. What's the difference? And if that is what the case is behind the scenes, Hughes did a great job in keeping us afloat for 4 years. The difference is, we changed manager because it was the right thing to do. Hughes was dead in the water. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:30:46 GMT
He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 So why was he on the bench then ? He changed 3 positions with that one sub ....that’s Pulis esque Said exactly the same earlier mate,just needed the cap😄 |
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Post by milky on Mar 3, 2018 18:32:59 GMT
Yet he brought crouch on at half time. We just ended up with a totally unnecessary change at left back for the sake of 20 odd minutes. I totally agree mate,was just passing on what he said Yeah I heard him while I was out in the car. Almost crashed the fucker  |
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Post by cooper67 on Mar 3, 2018 18:55:20 GMT
Mike England is better than PL. Again no answer. Bayern-who is better?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 19:05:50 GMT
What other flair player can he pick? We have one in the whole squad! Attacking wise, he’s inherited a pretty disgraceful forward line. Defensively we’ve always had good players but pre-lambert they were playing shit and the one thing everyone can admire since lamberts come here, is that we’re miles better defensively. You’re moaning about a player who was on the bench as a last resort no doubt and wasn’t needed. Get a grip. On the pitch we’re much better considering what was being witnessed prior to him. Lambert is not to blame, the board are to blame for not successfully replacing Arnautovic and getting an adequate striker in the last 2 windows. Jese and Ramadan are more than good enough. We sent two good young players out on loan too who could have been used. We've gone back to 10 men behind the ball hoofball but we don't like we will nick a win. It's piss poor. I was thinking that earlier. It was hopeless pulisball shit. There has been no thinking about any sort of attacking strategy. Lambert has done worse than hughes would have done in those last six games. We look fitter, but even more devoid of ideas in an attacking sense. I would sack Lambert now and try someone else, there is still time. LAMBERT OUT NOW (not the end of the season) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 19:06:32 GMT
Spot on mate. Far too many idiots on here that just don't understand football one iota. He's been given an impossible job and had two fingers stuck up to him by not having a quality forward brought in. Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? There will be a reason for it somewhere wezza, and I know you personally aren't saying this, but Paul Lambert's subs won't be the reason we go down. The real nub of the argument is thus: 1. Those who are praising/not criticising Lambert are pointing to a hard job due to what went on before, and a lack of transfer activity in key area's in January - ie. The blame is at the feet of the owners and executive management. 2. Those who are slating Lambert and his appointment are pointing the finger of blame at the owners and the executive management because it is they who appointed him. Ultimately we are all bang on the money with where the real problem area is, yet here we are all having a ridiculous bun fight amongst ourselves for what gain? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 19:08:19 GMT
Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? There will be a reason for it somewhere wezza, and I know you personally aren't saying this, but Paul Lambert's subs won't be the reason we go down. The real nub of the argument is thus: 1. Those who are praising/not criticising Lambert are pointing to a hard job due to what went on before, and a lack of transfer activity in key area's in January - ie. The blame is at the feet of the owners and executive management. 2. Those who are slating Lambert and his appointment are pointing the finger of blame at the owners and the executive management because it is they who appointed him. Ultimately we are all bang on the money with where the real problem area is, yet here we are all having a ridiculous bun fight amongst ourselves for what gain? It's fun? |
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Post by walrus on Mar 3, 2018 19:11:38 GMT
Maybe but he’s shored up the ship. To have a go at him before the season ends is disrespectful massively He’s come in a very difficult situation and he’s doing above par Have your 10p worth in May but let him do his job We are well in the mix and that was a good point. 100% agree. On an unrelated note, why does below par mean good in golf and bad in everything else? |
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Post by stokebloke on Mar 3, 2018 19:15:14 GMT
He's not going if we stay up or go down so stop wetting ya knickers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 19:17:31 GMT
He's not going if we stay up or go down so stop wetting ya knickers. And it will be the boards first mistake of the summer. |
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Mar 3, 2018 19:18:05 GMT
Guardiola, Mourinho etc would do f all with the team we have. The problem isn't the manager anymore, the problem is the squad the ex manager developed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 19:21:34 GMT
Guardiola, Mourinho etc would do f all with the team we have. The problem isn't the manager anymore, the problem is the squad the ex manager developed. Rubbish. |
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Post by flea79 on Mar 3, 2018 19:22:09 GMT
Jese and Ramadan are more than good enough. We sent two good young players out on loan too who could have been used. We've gone back to 10 men behind the ball hoofball but we don't like we will nick a win. It's piss poor. I was thinking that earlier. It was hopeless pulisball shit. There has been no thinking about any sort of attacking strategy. Lambert has done worse than hughes would have done in those last six games. We look fitter, but even more devoid of ideas in an attacking sense. I would sack Lambert now and try someone else, there is still time. LAMBERT OUT NOW (not the end of the season) Never wanted him when he came in and everything I thought about him is correct! He should go now |
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Post by harryh157 on Mar 3, 2018 19:23:47 GMT
Already??? There really are some complete spineless throbbers on this message board. If we do go down and PL seems to be doing everything he can to keep us up I hope you fuck off back to where you were before we got in to the prem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 19:25:00 GMT
Already??? There really are some complete spineless throbbers on this message board. If we do go down and PL seems to be doing everything he can to keep us up I hope you fuck off back to where you were before we got in to the prem. My lovely empty row? He's not good enough. |
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Post by adamsson on Mar 3, 2018 19:26:26 GMT
Guardiola, Mourinho etc would do f all with the team we have. The problem isn't the manager anymore, the problem is the squad the ex manager developed. No the squad were good enough to beat Arsenal and match ManU with the right leadership we could have saved ourselves. MON could have saved us but the deal fell through (he wanted more control over transfers allegedly) but in the end Lambert was the only one who would accept the job under the conditions and no-one thought he was good enough. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2018 19:36:18 GMT
He's not going if we stay up or go down so stop wetting ya knickers. And on it goes knicker wetters my arse, same old shit when posters called for Hughes's head two seasons ago, that went well for all the non knicker wetters. |
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Post by harryh157 on Mar 3, 2018 19:36:43 GMT
Already??? There really are some complete spineless throbbers on this message board. If we do go down and PL seems to be doing everything he can to keep us up I hope you fuck off back to where you were before we got in to the prem. My lovely empty row? He's not good enough. Go on then if you like.... A month before PL took over we were getting beat 3-0 to clucking West Ham. Today was a truly awful game but we prevented one of the few relegation rivals getting away from us. PL would not have been my choice but he seems to be making a reasonable fist of keeping us up. If he does it then he will have earned my support for next season |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2018 19:38:37 GMT
If we are going down (and I'm resigned to it now) can we get someone in who we can all get behind- Potter would be a risk but less of a risk in the division below and he may even be a great in the making.
I'm just sick of the endless cycle of 2D, monochrome, beige managers such as Pulis, Hughes and Lambert.
Stoke bore me at the minute.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 19:39:00 GMT
My lovely empty row? He's not good enough. Go on then if you like.... A month before PL took over we were getting beat 3-0 to clucking West Ham. Today was a truly awful game but we prevented one of the few relegation rivals getting away from us. PL would not have been my choice but he seems to be making a reasonable fist of keeping us up. If he does it then he will have earned my support for next season He'd have earned my respect too and with it my thanks and then a kick up the arse as he leaves the building. He's just about doing the job he came in for. He's not what we need past this season though. That's just a terribly depressing thought. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2018 19:40:23 GMT
Already??? There really are some complete spineless throbbers on this message board. If we do go down and PL seems to be doing everything he can to keep us up I hope you fuck off back to where you were before we got in to the prem. My lovely empty row? He's not good enough. He wouldn't have been good enough even if we had a balanced fit squad, he certainly isn't good enough with the pile of unfit shitness Hughes has left him to work with, it is not his fault he was desperate for the job I blame the people in charge for the whole sorry pile of shit we have become, including hiring Lambert. |
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