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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:07:52 GMT
Well I thought we should have got someone decent in in the summer. That was the time. The board fucked it. Who? Anyone really below the top managers or ones like Tuchel with an excellent reputation. We're an established Premier League football club who should have been looking for a progressive manager to build on what was there before him. This isn't knee jerk at all. I said it before he was appointed. It's an appointment that shows the ambition of the board and backs up that they really have zero ambition. I guess I've got to try and get on board with their views but that's difficult considering it's bullshit! 😂 I agree we changed manager at the wrong manager at the wrong time but you can't look at "what if's" or "what should have beens" you ha e to deal with "what is". The fact was when they did decide to get rid, we were a team in serious trouble already given our form and were halfway through a transfer window already. It's all well and good saying we showed no ambition but we did try to get others in who wouldn't come....that's the real world and that's what i was asking you i.e. who realistically would have come? Being an established Prem side means fuck all when you're hovering just above the bottom 3 midway through a season, aren't willing to splash out to save yourselves and are shipping goals at a rate of knots. Likewise, next season we won't look an attractive option to most managers either as saying "We were an established Prem side but aren't anymore, and we have shitloads of cash at our disposal but aren't willimg to use any of it" doesn't really grab most good managers as a decent job opportunity. So, again....who would you have got in that we'd have had a chance of getting (not at the start of this season as whether you like it or not we had a manager already) midway through a season when we were plumetting towards relegation and who do you think would actually come next season given the package they're being offered. Forget hypotheticals of what should/shouldn't have happened, and start looking at the reality of our situation when Hughes was sacked and what it will be next year...who should we have got 2 months ago and who can we get in a few mo ths time that actually we have a chance of bringing in to shore things up? Of course you can when it comes to questioning how jnept out owners are. The situation is one that was easily avoidable. Lambert was pretty much near the top of our list. That's frightening. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:08:12 GMT
If lambert keeps this shower of shit up he should get the key to the city never mind bloody sacked! He’s took over a totally unfit side that had no organisation and no striker. He’s doing his best to get them fitter and addressed the leaky defence. Today I saw a team at least bloody fighting. Some on here can’t wait for us go down so they can say I told you Lambert was wank
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 3, 2018 18:09:28 GMT
I agree we changed manager at the wrong manager at the wrong time but you can't look at "what if's" or "what should have beens" you ha e to deal with "what is". The fact was when they did decide to get rid, we were a team in serious trouble already given our form and were halfway through a transfer window already. It's all well and good saying we showed no ambition but we did try to get others in who wouldn't come....that's the real world and that's what i was asking you i.e. who realistically would have come? Being an established Prem side means fuck all when you're hovering just above the bottom 3 midway through a season, aren't willing to splash out to save yourselves and are shipping goals at a rate of knots. Likewise, next season we won't look an attractive option to most managers either as saying "We were an established Prem side but aren't anymore, and we have shitloads of cash at our disposal but aren't willimg to use any of it" doesn't really grab most good managers as a decent job opportunity. So, again....who would you have got in that we'd have had a chance of getting (not at the start of this season as whether you like it or not we had a manager already) midway through a season when we were plumetting towards relegation and who do you think would actually come next season given the package they're being offered. Forget hypotheticals of what should/shouldn't have happened, and start looking at the reality of our situation when Hughes was sacked and what it will be next year...who should we have got 2 months ago and who can we get in a few mo ths time that actually we have a chance of bringing in to shore things up? Jokanovic. Why would he leave Fulham to come here? He will most likely have been in the playoffs at worst (or promoted to the Prem at best) and we'd be a side losing all our best players and will have just been relegated? Why would he switch to us???? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:09:46 GMT
I love how everyone is like “ you can’t blame him for the squad” we get that. Can you excuse his crazy substitutions just like Hughes? We literally ruined our chances with conceeding the upper hand bringing on Pieters He should’ve brought on Jese. He’s brainless too, get over it you morale high grounders. It's like the bench today. He didn't have to pick a bench that was that bad. He chose to do that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:09:53 GMT
I love how everyone is like “ you can’t blame him for the squad” we get that. Can you excuse his crazy substitutions just like Hughes? We literally ruined our chances with conceeding the upper hand bringing on Pieters He should’ve brought on Jese. He’s brainless too, get over it you morale high grounders. He is just clueless has no plan whosoever.10 million Scotsman having a brew and we call him. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Mar 3, 2018 18:10:27 GMT
Lamberts working with one flair player who can make the difference and aging players. These aren’t his players.
What an embarrassing thread.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 3, 2018 18:10:58 GMT
Why would he leave Fulham to come here? He will most likely have been in the playoffs at worst (or promoted to the Prem at best) and we'd be a side losing all our best players and will have just been relegated? Why would he switch to us???? At the time they weren’t on a great run and he’d fallen out with his board. He had a huge rant against them in a press conference. Timing-wise, I think there’s every chance he’d have come then. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:11:01 GMT
Lamberts working with one flair player who can make the difference and aging players. These aren’t his players. What an embarrassing thread. He's chosen to do that. |
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Post by cooper67 on Mar 3, 2018 18:11:19 GMT
I won't blame Lambert for going down. Fair play to him, we were the worst defence in Europe when he rocked up so I understand him focusing on that aspect of the team. What I will say is though, his substitutions are dia-fucking-bolical. Us going down is on Hughes and the board. But a good manager would have saved us easily. Like who? |
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Post by fca47 on Mar 3, 2018 18:11:30 GMT
Bollocks, done a decent job, with no decent forwards. Has been too cautious but that's down to where we were.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:11:56 GMT
According to Lambert we looked a real threat and were excellent going forward until diouf went off.
At least he spared us the "I've only been here x weeks" comment that he's reeled out every week. He swapped that today for "we'd have lost that earlier in season".
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Post by TexasPotter on Mar 3, 2018 18:13:15 GMT
I love how everyone is like “ you can’t blame him for the squad” we get that. Can you excuse his crazy substitutions just like Hughes? We literally ruined our chances with conceeding the upper hand bringing on Pieters He should’ve brought on Jese. He’s brainless too, get over it you morale high grounders. He is just clueless has no plan whosoever.10 million Scotsman having a brew and we call him. I concede he’s got the defense going but when you think he’s got a plan... he casts off Sobhi keeps Adam and Fletcher on the bench... Instead of capable youth. He’s no better than Hughes tbh it’s more of the same. I agree with Bayern we need a full labotomy from the board to the manager to the players. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:13:23 GMT
Us going down is on Hughes and the board. But a good manager would have saved us easily. Like who? Mike England is better than PL. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Mar 3, 2018 18:13:55 GMT
Lamberts working with one flair player who can make the difference and aging players. These aren’t his players. What an embarrassing thread. He's chosen to do that. Chose to do what? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 3, 2018 18:14:33 GMT
Us going down is on Hughes and the board. But a good manager would have saved us easily. Like who? Harry Houdini. |
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Post by sutekh on Mar 3, 2018 18:15:39 GMT
I agree we changed manager at the wrong manager at the wrong time but you can't look at "what if's" or "what should have beens" you ha e to deal with "what is". The fact was when they did decide to get rid, we were a team in serious trouble already given our form and were halfway through a transfer window already. It's all well and good saying we showed no ambition but we did try to get others in who wouldn't come....that's the real world and that's what i was asking you i.e. who realistically would have come? Being an established Prem side means fuck all when you're hovering just above the bottom 3 midway through a season, aren't willing to splash out to save yourselves and are shipping goals at a rate of knots. Likewise, next season we won't look an attractive option to most managers either as saying "We were an established Prem side but aren't anymore, and we have shitloads of cash at our disposal but aren't willimg to use any of it" doesn't really grab most good managers as a decent job opportunity. So, again....who would you have got in that we'd have had a chance of getting (not at the start of this season as whether you like it or not we had a manager already) midway through a season when we were plumetting towards relegation and who do you think would actually come next season given the package they're being offered. Forget hypotheticals of what should/shouldn't have happened, and start looking at the reality of our situation when Hughes was sacked and what it will be next year...who should we have got 2 months ago and who can we get in a few mo ths time that actually we have a chance of bringing in to shore things up? Jokanovic. +1 said on here before that a Fulham supporter who drinks in my local really rates this fella. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 3, 2018 18:15:46 GMT
He's carrying the can for a terrible squad, while the people responsible for that squad are still here. He's sorted out our biggest problems in defence, but he can't make our hopeless midfielders and forwards turn into a half decent group of attackers by magic. The change was made far, far, far too late. Spot on mate. Far too many idiots on here that just don't understand football one iota. He's been given an impossible job and had two fingers stuck up to him by not having a quality forward brought in. Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:16:42 GMT
Only pick the one flair player and have nothing else. There are options. He doesn't have to use the aging players either. Having Johnson on the bench over Edwards is embarrassing. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 18:17:22 GMT
Spot on mate. Far too many idiots on here that just don't understand football one iota. He's been given an impossible job and had two fingers stuck up to him by not having a quality forward brought in. Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? Why is it an impossible job? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:17:24 GMT
Bollocks, done a decent job, with no decent forwards. Has been too cautious but that's down to where we were. He's done nothing except scrape draws against shit teams. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 3, 2018 18:18:45 GMT
Lambert is actually 3 points worse off than Hughes for the same fixtures this season.
I'm afraid I'm with Bayern on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:19:08 GMT
According to Lambert we looked a real threat and were excellent going forward until diouf went off. At least he spared us the "I've only been here x weeks" comment that he's reeled out every week. He swapped that today for "we'd have lost that earlier in season". We would have, he's right. It may be unspectacular but he's steadied the ship. It may all be too late, the damage was already done. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:19:08 GMT
Spot on mate. Far too many idiots on here that just don't understand football one iota. He's been given an impossible job and had two fingers stuck up to him by not having a quality forward brought in. Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 |
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Post by fca47 on Mar 3, 2018 18:19:09 GMT
But the point is we are a shit team, so they are decent results.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:22:47 GMT
According to Lambert we looked a real threat and were excellent going forward until diouf went off. At least he spared us the "I've only been here x weeks" comment that he's reeled out every week. He swapped that today for "we'd have lost that earlier in season". We would have, he's right. It may be unspectacular but he's steadied the ship. It may all be too late, the damage was already done. Indeed. With a fully fit squad and 3 new players he's produced worse results against the same 6 teams than our previous manager could muster with a decimated by injury back 4. Brilliant. We are so lucky. |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 3, 2018 18:24:14 GMT
Oh 100% mate but his choice of subs on the bench and the actual ones he made were truly fucking mind boggling Seriously WTF was that sub all about when Diouf came off ? He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 So why not being on Jesé then ? Although to be fair he also did fuck all when he came on later on |
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 3, 2018 18:24:35 GMT
What good starting XI? We've got a decent back four and goalkeeper, but it's a complete bombsite beyond that, however you configure the individual parts. It's rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi either left back Cameron Allen or N'Diaye Ramadan Shaq Jese Diouf Is easily a mid table side if they're coached right. I honestly don't see it. I think we're agreed that the defence is fine, but that midfield still looks desperately poor for a full season (which, with injuries, would inevitably lead to Fletcher or Adam playing plenty of football). I like Sobhi a lot, but I don't think he's been handled very well and has regressed badly - I'm not sure where next for him. Let's just say that I'm not sure that a team can accommodate both Shaqiri and Jese. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 3, 2018 18:25:06 GMT
Nonsense!  |
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Post by mattythestokie on Mar 3, 2018 18:25:09 GMT
Only pick the one flair player and have nothing else. There are options. He doesn't have to use the aging players either. Having Johnson on the bench over Edwards is embarrassing. What other flair player can he pick? We have one in the whole squad! Attacking wise, he’s inherited a pretty disgraceful forward line. Defensively we’ve always had good players but pre-lambert they were playing shit and the one thing everyone can admire since lamberts come here, is that we’re miles better defensively. You’re moaning about a player who was on the bench as a last resort no doubt and wasn’t needed. Get a grip. On the pitch we’re much better considering what was being witnessed prior to him. Lambert is not to blame, the board are to blame for not successfully replacing Arnautovic and getting an adequate striker in the last 2 windows. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2018 18:25:46 GMT
He’s just said on the Radio mate that he couldn’t risk Crouch at that stage of the game because he’d only had 2 days training🙄 So why not being on Jesé then ? Although to be fair he also did fuck all when he came on later on Absolutely bizzare mate |
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