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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:38:30 GMT
Of course it is. That's football and his decisions played a part in both fuck ups. Ridiculous. You seem to have become a bit of a parody of yourself in my time away from this board. Why is it ridiculous? What you said is exactly saying if my Brother had a fanny he'd be my sister. It's just not the case and completely irrelevant. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:39:16 GMT
Indeed, Hughes got more points from the corresponding set of fixtures.  We were dead and buried under Hughes. Anybody trying to paint a different picture is a fucking idiot. You fit the bill nicely. We were in the same position we're in now. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 11:41:54 GMT
We were dead and buried under Hughes. Anybody trying to paint a different picture is a fucking idiot. You fit the bill nicely. We were in the same position we're in now. Yeah. 50 goals. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 11:43:07 GMT
I don't think that at all, I just think people aren't giving enough weight to the utter fucking disaster Hughes became and the shit Lambert has had to deal with. A lazy and complacent set of players, attitudes all over the place and what seems to be a bad dressing room. Add to that the total lack of fitness and I think Lambert has done OK. Nothing better than OK but what Hughes left was fucking disgraceful and it reveals more of itself with every passing day. I’m under no illusions about the mess that was left but we’re not going to have a hope of getting out of it while we’re making fuckwitted substitutions that make it seem like Hughes has possessed the electronic subs board or failing to have a sniff of goal against some of the worst sides in the league. Mard. Mard. Mard. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 11:44:57 GMT
I’m under no illusions about the mess that was left but we’re not going to have a hope of getting out of it while we’re making fuckwitted substitutions that make it seem like Hughes has possessed the electronic subs board or failing to have a sniff of goal against some of the worst sides in the league. Mard. Mard. Mard. Another worthwhile contribution. Intelligent stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 11:45:27 GMT
Something else to consider when assessing Lambert.
At Norwich Grant Holt scored 15 goals in a Premier League season.
At Villa Benteke was signed by Lambert and his run of scoring form under him hasn't been reproduced elsewhere since.
Those kind of figures haven't been reproduced at Stoke under any manager with any striker in the last 10 years.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 11:46:16 GMT
Another worthwhile contribution. Intelligent stuff. I'm just enjoying your "constructive critisicms". Definitely not marding. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:47:18 GMT
We were in the same position we're in now. Yeah. 50 goals. When Hughes was sacked we were 18th on 20 points. Level on points with Soton in 17th. Today we are 19th on 27 points a point behind Soton in 17th. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 4, 2018 11:48:51 GMT
The notion that we needed to win 2 of the last 6 games and failed was posted as a defence of the need to get rid of Lambert come what may. I don't think pointing out the fine margine of error on that is irrelevant. Of course it is. That's football and his decisions played a part in both fuck ups. You're in micro-management territory here, where players have absolutely no responsibility for what goes on out on the pitch. Adam should've scored the penalty and Butland shouldn't have made that error. End of. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2018 11:49:27 GMT
He's trying a Pulis/Allardyce type rescue act. I think what he was left with has necessitated that. If he pulls it off, he deserves a medal. I'd still get rid at the end of the season though He's not doing a good job of it though is he? I dunno, it depends how you measure it. When you come in to a club mid season its nearly always because the team is shit and that was no exception in our case. However, you would expect to inherit a team that had basic levels of fitness and basic levels of organisation but Lambert was denied these luxuries by the previous fucking idiot. For him to have to spend so much time on fitness is pretty extenuating circumstances in my view. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 11:50:14 GMT
Another worthwhile contribution. Intelligent stuff. I'm just enjoying your "constructive critisicms". Definitely not marding. Yet you can't argue against them. Standard. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:51:05 GMT
Of course it is. That's football and his decisions played a part in both fuck ups. You're in micro-management territory here, where players have absolutely no responsibility for what goes on out on the pitch. Adam should've scored the penalty and Butland shouldn't have made that error. End of. Adam shouldn't have been on the pitch. And Choupo should have tracked his man but wasn't all game and shouldn't have been on the pitch. Both especially the Leicester one (as I was screaming at Choupo for the previous 10 minutes to track his man) are preventable. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 11:51:56 GMT
I'm just enjoying your "constructive critisicms". Definitely not marding. Yet you can't argue against them. Standard. See my thread. Lambert has steadied the ship. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 11:52:10 GMT
You're in micro-management territory here, where players have absolutely no responsibility for what goes on out on the pitch. Adam should've scored the penalty and Butland shouldn't have made that error. End of. And Choupo should have tracked his man but wasn't all game and shouldn't have been on the pitch. Both especially the Leicester one (as I was screaming at Choupo for the 10 minutes to track his man) are preventable. Lies. Choupo made one perfect sliding tackle in the first half on the edge of his own penalty area. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:52:34 GMT
He's not doing a good job of it though is he? I dunno, it depends how you measure it. When you come in to a club mid season its nearly always because the team is shit and that was no exception in our case. However, you would expect to inherit a team that had basic levels of fitness and basic levels of organisation but Lambert was denied these luxuries by the previous fucking idiot. For him to have to spend so much time on fitness is pretty extenuating circumstances in my view. Oh he was but with the games we've had I would have expected us to go up the table and not down since the previous manager departed. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 11:52:52 GMT
Yet you can't argue against them. Standard. See my thread. Lambert has steadied the ship. So you're happy with the bizarre substitutions, lack of gamechangers on the bench and failure to create anything against some of the weakest teams in the league then? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 11:53:39 GMT
How did their away results compare to their home results Toxic? They were a newly promoted side. What should they have done, blown teams away home and away? Just admit that you’ve fucked this one up! Exactly. They were negative beyond belief...which is exactly what we are seeing to date here. There is no fuck up. This aggressive scared of no one Norwich team that you speak of couldn't even achieve what that shower of shit from Burnley are doing. Just admit it...your blind optimism was totally misplaced |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 4, 2018 11:53:39 GMT
He's inherited a side mostly devoid of attacking talent, so I'd give him the summer to sort it then pass judgement.
He's going to keep us up which is the main thing for now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:54:02 GMT
And Choupo should have tracked his man but wasn't all game and shouldn't have been on the pitch. Both especially the Leicester one (as I was screaming at Choupo for the 10 minutes to track his man) are preventable. Lies. Choupo made one perfect sliding tackle in the first half on the edge of his own penalty area. Was that the previous 10 minutes? 😂 He let him go way too often. But let's be honest he shouldn't have been on the pitch from the get go as he's been abhorrent for the last 2 months. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 4, 2018 11:55:32 GMT
Yet you can't argue against them. Standard. See my thread. Lambert has steadied the ship. Aye he has - still sinking though, just a bit slower. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 11:56:29 GMT
See my thread. Lambert has steadied the ship. Aye he has - still sinking though, just a bit slower. Same rate tbh if you look at the table when he left and now. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 11:58:01 GMT
See my thread. Lambert has steadied the ship. So you're happy with the bizarre substitutions, lack of gamechangers on the bench and failure to create anything against some of the weakest teams in the league then? The Pieters sub was a headscratcher. I'd have gone for Jese. And we've definitely sacrificed creativity in the final third too. But I don't know why anybody is surprised by that. His priority absolutely had to be shoring it up at the back. We definitely sit deeper and defend in greater numbers, which means we don't create much at the other end. Under Hughes we were more expansive and we got our arses handed to us on a regular basis. No manager was going to come in and wave a magic wand. I think it's unrealistic to expect somebody to come in and sort the defence out and also get us sparking at the other end of the pitch with just a month or so under his belt. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 4, 2018 11:58:19 GMT
You're in micro-management territory here, where players have absolutely no responsibility for what goes on out on the pitch. Adam should've scored the penalty and Butland shouldn't have made that error. End of. Adam shouldn't have been on the pitch. And Choupo should have tracked his man but wasn't all game and shouldn't have been on the pitch. Both especially the Leicester one (as I was screaming at Choupo for the previous 10 minutes to track his man) are preventable. Going by your logic, a professional footballer shouldn't be missing a penalty, regardless of whether he should be on the pitch or not. And even given Choupo-Moting's inability to stop the cross, a goalkeeper of Butland's ability shouldn't be letting that goal in. Micro-analysis, but go on, carry on boring everyone to death. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 11:58:45 GMT
They were a newly promoted side. What should they have done, blown teams away home and away? Just admit that you’ve fucked this one up! Exactly. They were negative beyond belief...which is exactly what we are seeing to date here. There is no fuck up. This aggressive scared of no one Norwich team that you speak of couldn't even achieve what that shower of shit from Burnley are doing. Just admit it...your blind optimism was totally misplaced What are you talking about? They achieved back to back promotions and then finished 12th in the Premier League, outscoring all but six teams? As for this apparently terrible, negative football they played away from home... They won at Tottenham scoring twice. They scored three times away at Arsenal. They were in score draws at Liverpool and Everton. They scored three in Swansea and two apiece in victories at West Brom, Bolton and QPR. Burnley after their promotion finished 16th. So they actually in the same context outperformed them. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2018 11:59:51 GMT
So you're happy with the bizarre substitutions, lack of gamechangers on the bench and failure to create anything against some of the weakest teams in the league then? I think it's unrealistic to expect somebody to come in and sort the defence out and also get us sparking at the other end of the pitch with just a month or so under his belt. Whilst also being forced to spend significant time on fitness and conditioning as well. I'm really not sure what people were expecting him to do. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 12:00:48 GMT
So you're happy with the bizarre substitutions, lack of gamechangers on the bench and failure to create anything against some of the weakest teams in the league then? The Pieters sub was a headscratcher. I'd have gone for Jese. And we've definitely sacrificed creativity in the final third too. But I don't know why anybody is surprised by that. His priority absolutely had to be shoring it up at the back. We definitely sit deeper and defend in greater numbers, which means we don't create much at the other end. Under Hughes we were more expansive and we got our arses handed to us on a regular basis. No manager was going to come in and wave a magic wand. I think it's unrealistic to expect somebody to come in and sort the defence out and also get us sparking at the other end of the pitch with just a month or so under his belt. It's not so much a question of sparking or being gung ho, just not going of the way to be negative. I'm fine with us being organised and tight at the back. But we need as many attacking options at least on the bench as possible and we need him not to shit the bed with his subs. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 12:01:09 GMT
I think it's unrealistic to expect somebody to come in and sort the defence out and also get us sparking at the other end of the pitch with just a month or so under his belt. Whilst also being forced to spend significant time on fitness and conditioning as well. I'm really not sure what people were expecting him to do. Agreed mate. I can't believe all the marding. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 12:01:22 GMT
Adam shouldn't have been on the pitch. And Choupo should have tracked his man but wasn't all game and shouldn't have been on the pitch. Both especially the Leicester one (as I was screaming at Choupo for the previous 10 minutes to track his man) are preventable. Going by your logic, a professional footballer shouldn't be missing a penalty, regardless of whether he should be on the pitch or not. And even given Choupo-Moting's inability to stop the cross, a goalkeeper of Butland's ability shouldn't be letting that goal in. Micro-analysis, but go on, carry on boring everyone to death. Both happened though so saying if they didn't happen is completely and utterly irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 12:01:49 GMT
Lies. Choupo made one perfect sliding tackle in the first half on the edge of his own penalty area. Was that the previous 10 minutes? 😂 He let him go way too often. But let's be honest he shouldn't have been on the pitch from the get go as he's been abhorrent for the last 2 months. What on earth are you on about? You said he wasn't tracking his man all game. It's lies. What are you on about '10 minutes' for? Did you watch the game or did you review it on your stats pad? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 12:02:05 GMT
I think it's unrealistic to expect somebody to come in and sort the defence out and also get us sparking at the other end of the pitch with just a month or so under his belt. Whilst also being forced to spend significant time on fitness and conditioning as well. I'm really not sure what people were expecting him to do. You really don't think we should have been winning more than one of the games we've had? |
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