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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:02:16 GMT
Based on what? He's barely played? He was one of the better players against Chelsea. One of 11 awful ones vs Coventry. Based on how he's been literally since he's got here. He doesn't look any fitter or any sharper to me, and your original excuse for him was that he got himself fit then he let himself go again because he wasn't playing. If that's the case then that's an abysmal attitude for a highly paid professional sportsman to have. It's not an excuse, it's just a guess at what may have happened. I think during the first 2/3 months of the season he definitely looked sharper. So did the whole squad to be perfectly honest. There's no way we play like we did against United and Arsenal with the fitness levels of the last month or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:06:47 GMT
Based on how he's been literally since he's got here. He doesn't look any fitter or any sharper to me, and your original excuse for him was that he got himself fit then he let himself go again because he wasn't playing. If that's the case then that's an abysmal attitude for a highly paid professional sportsman to have. It's not an excuse, it's just a guess at what may have happened. I think during the first 2/3 months of the season he definitely looked sharper. So did the whole squad * to be perfectly honest.* There's no way we play like we did against United and Arsenal with the fitness levels of the last month or two. To be perfectly honest I think you may be Mark Hughes??
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Jan 25, 2018 11:07:40 GMT
Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 25, 2018 11:07:40 GMT
In all honesty I have given up with Berahino and Imbula.They clearly are not bothered to put in even a modicum of the effort that is needed to succeed at Stoke. As for Bojan,maybe unlikely,but I cannot forget the Bojan we had before he was injured and still have some hope that we could see the same again.Fingers crossed - not ready to give up on him yet.
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Jan 25, 2018 11:11:47 GMT
Post by johnfarmersmum on Jan 25, 2018 11:11:47 GMT
Scored a screamer at the weekend
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Jan 25, 2018 11:16:52 GMT
Post by scfc75 on Jan 25, 2018 11:16:52 GMT
Scored a screamer at the weekend Makes it all the more frustrating that we know he is capable (he looked a world beater for us in a couple of games). His brain just isn't wired in a way that makes him give his all every game.
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Jan 25, 2018 11:33:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:33:27 GMT
It's not an excuse, it's just a guess at what may have happened. I think during the first 2/3 months of the season he definitely looked sharper. So did the whole squad * to be perfectly honest.* There's no way we play like we did against United and Arsenal with the fitness levels of the last month or two. To be perfectly honest I think you may be Mark Hughes?? I bloody hope not ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Jan 25, 2018 11:44:12 GMT
Post by realstokebloke on Jan 25, 2018 11:44:12 GMT
Hence I said earlier it might be that we wire the fucker to the mains by way of motivation.
However, if whatever statute prevents us from such a physical inducement, then maybe we should wheel in someone to work on the space between his ears, one on one.
Of course I get that we might have bought a dud - and those in the club will obviously have a more informed opinion on that.
We can only speculate - but, looking in from the outside, it just seems staggering to me that people are so willing to write off that fee and whatever massive wedge that the contract entails.
In short, we disagree which is fair enough.
However, given the investment already and the opportunity of him coming good, I would actually chuck the commensurate time and resource at it with whatever expertise necessary.
If that goes tits up, fair enough. We tried.
Let's face it, we would all love a full functioning GI in our MF right now, we're crying out for and actively looking (I hope) for options there after all.
You have to write it off sometimes. You can only go on the evidence. What drives me up the fucking wall is this idea that it's somebody else's responsibility to get a grown man on a hefty contract to do a bit of running and figure out how to use his right foot rather than the man himself. I agree with that, yes. He's building a CV that literally shouts of not giving one, despite the different opportunities.
However - and believe me, I'm not necessarily someone that sees the good in everyone or that everyone deserves a second / third / fourth chance; a bad 'un is a bad 'un in my book too - but given the big bucks involved and the potential payback, there might be some avenue left unexplored or some reason why and it just seems worth a shot.
That's all. I rest my case m'ludd. Fook knows how much time he must take up at the club but that's enough on him from me.
For now anyway.
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Jan 25, 2018 12:01:55 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 25, 2018 12:01:55 GMT
Allegedly he said that, no proof. I think to be honest he was fit and sharp at the start of the season. Not to make excuses but subconsciously getting yourself sharp and then only being started in 3 games all season, one of which the manager uses as a bonus game doesn't do wonders for motivation and confidence. Some players need a kick up the arse, some need an arm around the shoulder. I don't think Hughes has been particularly good at either in the last 2 years. He is a professional footballer getting paid upwards of 50k a week. There is no excuse whatsoever for not being at a decent level of fitness. When his own agent is telling people he is not fit due to not playing you know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel, there is no excuse for a professional athlete not been fit over half way through the season. He was also singled out by Lambert as an example of lack of fitness, Pulis berated his lack of fitness at WBA which is surprising as Pulis is a stickler for fitness all points to the problem being Berahino and his lack of motivation to control his fitness.
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Jan 25, 2018 13:44:22 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jan 25, 2018 13:44:22 GMT
It's not an excuse, it's just a guess at what may have happened. I think during the first 2/3 months of the season he definitely looked sharper. So did the whole squad * to be perfectly honest.* There's no way we play like we did against United and Arsenal with the fitness levels of the last month or two. To be perfectly honest I think you may be Mark Hughes?? “Clearly, on the day”.
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Jan 25, 2018 15:25:17 GMT
Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 25, 2018 15:25:17 GMT
Everton, Stoke City and Watford all lined up for potential Torino transfer business Local newspaper Tuttosport has a story today saying Torino are having a hard time to sign Godfred Donsah from Bologna, since the clubs can’t agree a fee for the player.That’s why the Turin side will have to look for other options, and there are actually three names on the list, all belonging to British clubs.These three would be Muhamed Besic from Everton, Étienne Capoue from Watford and Giannelli Imbula from Stoke City, who’s currently on a loan at Toulouse.PLIBT Torino are offering €6m for Donsah, and the problem with the alternatives would be they are much more expensive.No no no €6m is fine. Take it!
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Jan 26, 2018 8:19:17 GMT
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Post by iplayinthehole on Jan 26, 2018 8:19:17 GMT
I think his huge potential makes it worth a second crack, though (and assuming it happens) maybe after we are safe yeah?
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Jan 26, 2018 8:52:36 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2018 8:52:36 GMT
He might progress under a manager able to organise the team better. Brede Hangeland who played under Hughes at Fulham keeps telling how Sparky was totally unable to organise a defence. He even told that they were in a relegation scrap after playing the way Sparky wanted defensively, but after a while the defenders decided to do it their own way and play like they had learnt under Hodgeson. Then they suddenly started to climb the table, and Sparky didn't try to correct it as he saw that it worked. Anyway it tells a lot and I really think Mark Wilson was spot on with his comments after hearing this. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif)
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Jan 26, 2018 8:58:13 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2018 8:58:13 GMT
He might progress under a manager able to organise the team better. Brede Hangeland who played under Hughes at Fulham keeps telling how Sparky was totally unable to organise a defence. He even told that they were in a relegation scrap after playing the way Sparky wanted defensively, but after a while the defenders decided to do it their own way and play like they had learnt under Hodgeson. Then they suddenly started to climb the table, and Sparky didn't try to correct it as he saw that it worked. Anyway it tells a lot and I really think Mark Wilson was spot on with his comments after hearing this. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif) Presumably it's Hughes' fault that he flopped at Porto and hasn't set the world on fire at Toulouse.
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Jan 26, 2018 9:05:23 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2018 9:05:23 GMT
He might progress under a manager able to organise the team better. Brede Hangeland who played under Hughes at Fulham keeps telling how Sparky was totally unable to organise a defence. He even told that they were in a relegation scrap after playing the way Sparky wanted defensively, but after a while the defenders decided to do it their own way and play like they had learnt under Hodgeson. Then they suddenly started to climb the table, and Sparky didn't try to correct it as he saw that it worked. Anyway it tells a lot and I really think Mark Wilson was spot on with his comments after hearing this. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif) Presumably it's Hughes' fault that he flopped at Porto and hasn't set the world on fire at Toulouse. Probably a bit about systems played as well, but I didn't say Imbula didn't play a part in it. Anyway I just wanted to point out what one of the big profiles in Norwegian football said about Sparky's ability to organise a team defensively. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Jan 26, 2018 9:06:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:06:40 GMT
Everton, Stoke City and Watford all lined up for potential Torino transfer business Local newspaper Tuttosport has a story today saying Torino are having a hard time to sign Godfred Donsah from Bologna, since the clubs can’t agree a fee for the player.That’s why the Turin side will have to look for other options, and there are actually three names on the list, all belonging to British clubs.These three would be Muhamed Besic from Everton, Étienne Capoue from Watford and Giannelli Imbula from Stoke City, who’s currently on a loan at Toulouse.PLIBT Torino are offering €6m for Donsah, and the problem with the alternatives would be they are much more expensive.No no no €6m is fine. Take it! Donsah is decent. There are a few in Italy that we should look at. Donsah Duncan Acquah Freuler Badelj Radovanovic (although he's knocking on a bit)
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Post by alster on Jan 26, 2018 9:11:01 GMT
Everton, Stoke City and Watford all lined up for potential Torino transfer business Local newspaper Tuttosport has a story today saying Torino are having a hard time to sign Godfred Donsah from Bologna, since the clubs can’t agree a fee for the player.That’s why the Turin side will have to look for other options, and there are actually three names on the list, all belonging to British clubs.These three would be Muhamed Besic from Everton, Étienne Capoue from Watford and Giannelli Imbula from Stoke City, who’s currently on a loan at Toulouse.PLIBT Torino are offering €6m for Donsah, and the problem with the alternatives would be they are much more expensive.No no no €6m is fine. Take it! I'd sell them Imbula for whatever Everton want for Besic effectively swapping these players for nil cost would be good business.
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Feb 6, 2018 11:03:17 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Feb 6, 2018 11:03:17 GMT
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Feb 6, 2018 11:08:47 GMT
Post by vahl on Feb 6, 2018 11:08:47 GMT
What annoys me is, like a couple of others, he is undoubtedly talented. It is like they walk in to The Mich or The Brit and transform in to something else.
I know we are the Mighty Potters but we can't make players feel too much pressure, surely. It is odd.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 11:09:40 GMT
I'm surprised Toulouse are contributing towards 50% of his wage if I'm totally honest thought it would have been less.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 6, 2018 11:11:37 GMT
I'm surprised Toulouse are contributing towards 50% of his wage if I'm totally honest thought it would have been less..... Yeah - me too. According to L'Equipe in that article, the next highest earner there is on 60,000 euros-a-month! So, as he's not pulling up any trees there, can imagine they're rather pissed off.
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Feb 6, 2018 11:56:30 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 6, 2018 11:56:30 GMT
I'm surprised Toulouse are contributing towards 50% of his wage if I'm totally honest thought it would have been less..... Yeah - me too. According to L'Equipe in that article, the next highest earner there is on 60,000 euros-a-month! So, as he's not pulling up any trees there, can imagine they're rather pissed off. How long is left on his contract with us?
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Feb 6, 2018 12:05:56 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Feb 6, 2018 12:05:56 GMT
Yeah - me too. According to L'Equipe in that article, the next highest earner there is on 60,000 euros-a-month! So, as he's not pulling up any trees there, can imagine they're rather pissed off. How long is left on his contract with us? Summer of 2021 *gulps*
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 6, 2018 12:12:07 GMT
How long is left on his contract with us? Summer of 2021 *gulps* The new Palacios.........
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Feb 6, 2018 12:19:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 6, 2018 12:19:31 GMT
How long is left on his contract with us? Summer of 2021 *gulps* Dear oh fookin' dear ... I'm assuming Bojan's contract is probably for something similar and Berahino's and Wimmer's are actually longer?
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Feb 6, 2018 12:21:48 GMT
Post by neilb987 on Feb 6, 2018 12:21:48 GMT
The new Palacios......... So it seems, alas. A fully-functional Imbula would be a major asset. A midfield three of Joe Allen, Badou and Imbula would be a good balance of skills and could be formidable, but sadly I dont think we'll ever see it now.
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Feb 6, 2018 12:24:21 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 6, 2018 12:24:21 GMT
Dear oh fookin' dear ... I'm assuming Bojan's contract is probably for something similar and Berahino's and Wimmer's are actually longer? It's all so depressing. Are we really saying that having Imbula and Bojan back wouldn't have helped? Sadly, I guess the answer is yes but we're two players down on what the squad should be offering. If relegation does come, the problem becomes even bigger and we'll need to unload for a massive loss on Imbula. Bojan less so, but it's the wages......
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Feb 6, 2018 12:27:01 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Feb 6, 2018 12:27:01 GMT
Dear oh fookin' dear ... I'm assuming Bojan's contract is probably for something similar and Berahino's and Wimmer's are actually longer? Bojan 2020 Berahino, Wimmer 2022
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Feb 6, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 6, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
Dear oh fookin' dear ... I'm assuming Bojan's contract is probably for something similar and Berahino's and Wimmer's are actually longer? Bojan 2020 Berahino, Wimmer 2022 What a mess
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Feb 6, 2018 12:29:48 GMT
Post by Gods on Feb 6, 2018 12:29:48 GMT
The new Palacios......... At least 4x worse than that. 3x the transfer fee, 3x the wage and an extra year and a half on the contract. Think of Imbula like 4 Palacios's. Chuck in the Berahino and Wimmer 5 year fiascos and we'll be more or less sunk without trace if we end up in the Championship.
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Feb 6, 2018 12:48:08 GMT
Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 6, 2018 12:48:08 GMT
How long is left on his contract with us? Summer of 2021 *gulps* And we've signed Badou Ndiaye on a 4 1/2 year deal to actually do his shift for him.
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