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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 24, 2018 15:09:11 GMT
Looked ok to me, prefer to see him on the field. Didn't have much to work with to be honest. Better option than Berahino. Should be at least on the bench.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 24, 2018 15:12:03 GMT
He needs to learn some of the dark arts, but he contributes more than Berahino.
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Post by professorplump on Feb 24, 2018 15:13:47 GMT
I don't agree that he wasn't up for it and some of the criticism he is getting is hugely OTT It looked to me as those he was frozen with nerves which is understandable as it is a huge jump from the U23's to the Premier League.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 24, 2018 15:17:28 GMT
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Feb 24, 2018 15:17:43 GMT
Poor debut but it wasn't like Mame had a blinding hour was it? Cost us nowt today, one individual error from Jack (and some bone idleness from Choupo) did.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 24, 2018 15:22:35 GMT
Not a very impressive debut, but he will need time and games to adapt. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by harryh157 on Feb 24, 2018 15:24:45 GMT
I think he’s got a great future and will certainly not judge him on debut in a team that seemed determined to through a game away that was there for the winning! Seen him a couple of times with the U23’s and to my admittedly amateur eye looks a class above - confidence will come from playing games it’s just a question of if we can afford to give them to him this season
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 15:25:25 GMT
Not one of our youngsters is amywhere near ready, the lunacy that build a strategy on three of four coming through in the name of sufficiency exposed as the utter garbage it was when it first appeared . One Wilkinson in twenty years , Campbell , Ngoy, edwards . Won’t play 100 premier league games between them , the decision not to buy a striker utterly contemptible The step up from academy to Premier League is too big and has to have an in between step if not two. Tin hat on we need to use championship teams to blood our youngsters then cup games for those that prove worthy as we did with Jack.
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Post by PolPotter on Feb 24, 2018 15:26:08 GMT
I could have done more but it's good to get the first appearance without defeat out of the way.
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Post by travellingstokie on Feb 24, 2018 15:34:25 GMT
Superb. Well done young man. Big future
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Feb 24, 2018 15:41:29 GMT
Looked lost.
We needed a striker in Jan.
Sure he'll be a good player in time but it's a big step up in class from under 23 to premier league with so much riding on our strikers ability to get goals.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Feb 24, 2018 15:46:22 GMT
At the moment, looks light years away from the first team. Not the time to experiment, should be keeping faith with that goal machine named Saido Berahino!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 24, 2018 15:49:10 GMT
Big step from his performance last week to today. He looked awesome last week but the step up is a big ask. Needs a bit of time but I believe he will come good as he has all the attributes. He just needs the experience.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 24, 2018 15:54:59 GMT
Is the game really so much faster at this level? He's 17 and he was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes. It looked like he was running through quicksand. You can only imagine it was adrenaline and nervous energy that sapped everything out of him. For a debut though his workrate was embarrassing. Very Berahino-esque. Just trot around and hope a ball drops to you. I thought he looked berahino-esk but wasn’t brave enough to say it 🙈 Felt he grew into it though, unlucky with the pull back (actually looks like a cross shot from Shaq) Nice megs pass for Shaq and did well to win a corner at the end. Maybe abit overawed with everything, maybe panicked, maybe not ready. Time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 15:56:42 GMT
he wasn't great but he charged down the ball and we really didn't create much. No worse than Diouf.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Feb 24, 2018 16:01:34 GMT
There really are a bunch of horrible cunts on here. If you aren't going to give him some support, fuck off. He didn't pick himself. We have been crying out to use youth and when we do they get fucking abused. Yes he was nervous, yes he should have kept running and tapped that one in but for fucks sake his first fucking start and you are moaning your bag off about the lad. Get a life and fuck off, either that or go and speak to the bloke who brought him on. H You really are an arrogant tit Referring to posters as cunts like you're the last word on everything Most of what I can see is some disappointment that he has not turned into an immediate gem He looked like he was not fit and did nothing to convince. However he is very young and I bet it was terrifying to start. We cannot ignore his achievements but he really did not look ready. Mostly that is what people are posting no one is slagging him or saying he should never play again. How about discussing rather than dishing out childish abuse and yes I'm aware of the irony within this post!
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 24, 2018 16:10:51 GMT
Interview with him here. Good to see him acknowledge the massive difference in intensity between the U23s and first team and said he should have made a run towards the back post for Shaq's ball. www.stokecityfc.com/media/21483
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Post by fca47 on Feb 24, 2018 16:12:44 GMT
God there's some miserable twats on here.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 24, 2018 16:22:15 GMT
Like I said yesterday. Bench maybe, if played more than 5-10 minutes. They did, IMO not ready.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:39:03 GMT
Good experience for him but a bit early for him.
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Post by RAF on Feb 24, 2018 17:08:51 GMT
There really are a bunch of horrible cunts on here. If you aren't going to give him some support, fuck off. He didn't pick himself. We have been crying out to use youth and when we do they get fucking abused. Yes he was nervous, yes he should have kept running and tapped that one in but for fucks sake his first fucking start and you are moaning your bag off about the lad. Get a life and fuck off, either that or go and speak to the bloke who brought him on. H You really are an arrogant tit Referring to posters as cunts like you're the last word on everything Most of what I can see is some disappointment that he has not turned into an immediate gem He looked like he was not fit and did nothing to convince. However he is very young and I bet it was terrifying to start. We cannot ignore his achievements but he really did not look ready. Mostly that is what people are posting no one is slagging him or saying he should never play again. How about discussing rather than dishing out childish abuse and yes I'm aware of the irony within this post! Well it is a board of opinions of which last time I checked with admin I'm allowed one. I was referring to the posters who called him 'shit' and his performance being 'shit'. They are the people I refer to, obviously you disagree. So I suggest you have a browse through some of the comments and if you think they are acceptable then fine, I respect your right to do so. How exactly is it arrogance? I think it's more to do with I've touched a fucking nerve and you don't like it!. Keep kicking the youth, I'm sure that will help them progress. H
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Post by werrington on Feb 24, 2018 17:13:48 GMT
There really are a bunch of horrible cunts on here. If you aren't going to give him some support, fuck off. He didn't pick himself. We have been crying out to use youth and when we do they get fucking abused. Yes he was nervous, yes he should have kept running and tapped that one in but for fucks sake his first fucking start and you are moaning your bag off about the lad. Get a life and fuck off, either that or go and speak to the bloke who brought him on. H You really are an arrogant tit Referring to posters as cunts like you're the last word on everything Most of what I can see is some disappointment that he has not turned into an immediate gem He looked like he was not fit and did nothing to convince. However he is very young and I bet it was terrifying to start. We cannot ignore his achievements but he really did not look ready. Mostly that is what people are posting no one is slagging him or saying he should never play again. How about discussing rather than dishing out childish abuse and yes I'm aware of the irony within this post! What a load of bollocks mate He looked no worse than any other forward whose played for us this season ....the positions he ran into without being found and the closing down of their defenders was exactly what we need Don’t tell me ...you’d sooner have Crouch yeah ?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 24, 2018 17:14:21 GMT
Definitely the right decision to try him but hard to argue against the fact that he looked a long way from Premier League standard right now. His first touch was sloppy a few times and he didn't seem to have a great deal of pace or strength (strength is understandable though given his age). Definitely worth another try from the bench to see whether he just got caught by the pace and intensity of real football, he could be a quick learner. Absolutely no way he should be starting yet on that showing though.
He needs a Championship loan. Hopefully if we stay up he can get one.
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Post by stokeykez on Feb 24, 2018 17:18:34 GMT
Nervous you could tell in his reading of the game. But I thought he did well. It isn't like we have world class strikers at the club. Poor showing for me diouf taking so long in coming off the pitch. He's poor at the moment and should have made way earlier.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 24, 2018 17:20:02 GMT
Did no more or less than I expected.He can only learn from his experience today,and I'm sure he will do.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Feb 24, 2018 17:20:02 GMT
You really are an arrogant tit Referring to posters as cunts like you're the last word on everything Most of what I can see is some disappointment that he has not turned into an immediate gem He looked like he was not fit and did nothing to convince. However he is very young and I bet it was terrifying to start. We cannot ignore his achievements but he really did not look ready. Mostly that is what people are posting no one is slagging him or saying he should never play again. How about discussing rather than dishing out childish abuse and yes I'm aware of the irony within this post! What a load of bollocks mate He looked no worse than any other forward whose played for us this season ....the positions he ran into without being found and the closing down of their defenders was exactly what we need Don’t tell me ...you’d sooner have Crouch yeah ? What are you talking about??? My post was about RAF who was using horrible language because his opinion is the only one worth reading. I felt the Lad did not look ready and felt it was most likely nerves and will give him every chance as a fan Try reading through the whole post before you make ill-informed responses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 24, 2018 17:21:09 GMT
Nervous you could tell in his reading of the game. But I thought he did well. It isn't like we have world class strikers at the club. Poor showing for me diouf taking so long in coming off the pitch. He's poor at the moment and should have made way earlier. What was Diouf meant to have done today exactly? He was isolated. We twatted the ball at his head continually.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 24, 2018 17:21:59 GMT
Wouldn't be too critical of him.
It was obviously a massive step up, and it looked like the occasion got to him. He only turned 18 over Christmas.
But it was still worth the punt, and we didn't have any alternative with Crouch out and Berahino a dead loss.
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Post by werrington on Feb 24, 2018 17:22:37 GMT
What a load of bollocks mate He looked no worse than any other forward whose played for us this season ....the positions he ran into without being found and the closing down of their defenders was exactly what we need Don’t tell me ...you’d sooner have Crouch yeah ? What are you talking about??? My post was about RAF who was using horrible language because his opinion is the only one worth reading. I felt the Lad did not look ready and felt it was most likely nerves and will give him every chance as a fan Try reading through the whole post before you make ill-informed responses I did read your post ....You said he didn’t look ready but perhaps I misread it
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Feb 24, 2018 17:22:43 GMT
You really are an arrogant tit Referring to posters as cunts like you're the last word on everything Most of what I can see is some disappointment that he has not turned into an immediate gem He looked like he was not fit and did nothing to convince. However he is very young and I bet it was terrifying to start. We cannot ignore his achievements but he really did not look ready. Mostly that is what people are posting no one is slagging him or saying he should never play again. How about discussing rather than dishing out childish abuse and yes I'm aware of the irony within this post! What a load of bollocks mate He looked no worse than any other forward whose played for us this season ....the positions he ran into without being found and the closing down of their defenders was exactly what we need Don’t tell me ...you’d sooner have Crouch yeah ? RAF my post was about your attitude that you think referring to posters as cunts is acceptable It's not The lad is not ready from his display but I really want him to succeed and be a legend for Stoke
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