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Post by petralpotter on Dec 29, 2017 13:24:31 GMT
(when needed ),I noticed Man u against West Brom and last night the arse against Palace both brought the game to a standstill
with throwins at the far end of the pitch.
We keep playing which gives the opposition a chance to counterattack.
If it.s good enough for the big boys ...... etc
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 29, 2017 13:26:19 GMT
...... shut up shop to close a game out ( when needed ),I noticed Man u against West Brom and last night the arse against Palace both brought the game to a standstill with throwins at the far end of the pitch. We keep playing which gives the opposition a chance to counterattack. If it.s good enough for the big boys ...... etc Just like Man U did against Leicester and Arsenal did against Liverpool? Shit bin. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2017 13:30:51 GMT
...... shut up shop to close a game out ( when needed ),I noticed Man u against West Brom and last night the arse against Palace both brought the game to a standstill with throwins at the far end of the pitch. We keep playing which gives the opposition a chance to counterattack. If it.s good enough for the big boys ...... etc Just like Man U did against Leicester and Arsenal did against Liverpool? Shit bin. I think it's a good point poorly made tbh. Our game management against West Brom was dreadful. We had so many opportunities to go up the corner and time waste that we chose not to take. It allowed West Brom to attack us and they could have easily got an equaliser. We need to be way more savvy with things like that. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 29, 2017 13:33:56 GMT
You need to have a defence before you can close a game down!
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 29, 2017 13:36:07 GMT
We rarely get the chance to close a game out. If we take the lead we tend to regress back to the edge of our 18 yard box for long periods and don't have the ability or tactics to get out. Simple things like not leaving somebody pacy (Diouf) on the half way line when defending corners, even when the opposition have left a defender back. It's simply baffling.
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2017 13:54:22 GMT
We need to be in front to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 13:58:03 GMT
(when needed ),I noticed Man u against West Brom and last night the arse against Palace both brought the game to a standstill with throwins at the far end of the pitch. We keep playing which gives the opposition a chance to counterattack. If it.s good enough for the big boys ...... etc WE HAVE NEITHER THE PLAYERS NOR THE COACHING ABILITY TO EVEN ATTEMPT THIS AND YET - time after time - we do |
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 14:29:59 GMT
We rarely get the chance to close a game out. If we take the lead we tend to regress back to the edge of our 18 yard box for long periods and don't have the ability or tactics to get out. Simple things like not leaving somebody pacy (Diouf) on the half way line when defending corners, even when the opposition have left a defender back. It's simply baffling. This our idea of trying to close a game out is to camp on the edge of our own box and expose our fragile defence to enormous pressure then wonder why the inevitable mistakes come, truly pathetic. Keeping the ball is the best way to close the game out preferably as high up the pitch as possible carry on playing proper football. Stopping playing and making negative subs seems to go tits up at least as often as it works, its not a productive policy. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 29, 2017 14:50:53 GMT
Because the shower of shit we have at the back we'd struggle to shut a phone directory
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 15:04:25 GMT
Just like Man U did against Leicester and Arsenal did against Liverpool? Shit bin. I think it's a good point poorly made tbh. Our game management against West Brom was dreadful. We had so many opportunities to go up the corner and time waste that we chose not to take. It allowed West Brom to attack us and they could have easily got an equaliser. We need to be way more savvy with things like that. I have to agree. I was taught the best form of defence was attack, but we are too happy to defend the penalty box and allow pressure to build. I’m not saying we should go all out attack, but we should be more progressive to allow us the opportunity to time waste/manage time accordingly. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2017 15:05:29 GMT
We try, we’re just shite at it.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 29, 2017 16:25:22 GMT
Unfortunately, even though we try, our defence options/coaching just do not seem to be up to the job, currently.
As far as I'm concerned we should stop trying to defend so deeply and therefore leave more options to attack on the break....... on the rare occasions that we're actually winning with 15 minutes to go, lately that is.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Dec 29, 2017 16:30:24 GMT
If you're a slow team, you get pressed far too easily, passing ball around center halves and fullbacks then back to the keeper to boot up the pitch isn't ideal as it keeps coming straight back towards your goal. We try possession football but just give it away. Afew more players like Allen would do me, ings and long to keep pressure on opposition defences would be a start. Only my opinion 🤔
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 29, 2017 16:40:36 GMT
For how good our defence was it is a shame that we have become so weak at that position.
For all the good Hughes has tried with scoring goals,our defence was something that didn't need too much messing with.
Good teams are played from the back unless you are Guardiola
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Post by woodstein on Dec 29, 2017 16:51:01 GMT
The saying goes: best form of defence is attack and with such a weakened defence we need a few goals in the bank...against Chelsea!! Good luck lads.. we need it.
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 18:18:24 GMT
For how good our defence was it is a shame that we have become so weak at that position. For all the good Hughes has tried with scoring goals,our defence was something that didn't need too much messing with. Good teams are played from the back unless you are Guardiola So why are non of the top teams better at the back than they are going forward. Sorry but that's just outdated thinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 18:21:58 GMT
We could always trying shutting a game down when we are losing. Oh hang on ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 18:26:05 GMT
We try to shut up shop from the first minute.
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 18:33:51 GMT
We try to shut up shop from the first minute. Outdated thinking even Mourinho's pragmatism is being left behind by teams with balls. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 29, 2017 18:40:53 GMT
I was at a kids game once ,under 12 I think?
Anyway ,the home team scored a couple of goals half way through the second half
Then spent the last twenty minutes hoofing it out of play near the opposition corner flag
To win 2 nil
Perhaps Bowen and Hughes should get some lads in from junior school to do the coaching :-)
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Post by BuckRogers on Dec 29, 2017 18:52:48 GMT
Biggest problem is the midfield, there just know cover. Opposition just get a free run at our defense
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 29, 2017 19:07:59 GMT
Biggest problem is the midfield, there just know cover. Opposition just get a free run at our defense I think I agree with this, subject to a spell check  Whichever back line we play - 3 / 4 / 5 we need some midfield cover to stop the back line being exposed so easily. Our lack of pace at the back makes this all the more important. Hardly a surprise to see the improvement when G Cam plays in a defensive midfield role...with injuries I guess he will be in the back line for a while now...so we need to find someone else to fill this space...no-one springs to mind |
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 29, 2017 19:16:24 GMT
Tbf , I can't remember their names ( sorry) but there are some big name coaches who tell there players to hoof it out near the opposition corner flag for the next ten minutes ,if they go ahead away from home .
Apparently there are stats to show you at your most vulnerable after going ahead . Quietens down the home fans etc
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 29, 2017 19:32:12 GMT
For how good our defence was it is a shame that we have become so weak at that position. For all the good Hughes has tried with scoring goals,our defence was something that didn't need too much messing with. Good teams are played from the back unless you are Guardiola So why are non of the top teams better at the back than they are going forward. Sorry but that's just outdated thinking. I suppose it comes down to the classic line of " the best form of defence is attack " and some of the top teams have that. We don't and most teams don't so the best line of defence is to defend first. |
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Post by BuckRogers on Dec 29, 2017 19:36:19 GMT
Biggest problem is the midfield, there just know cover. Opposition just get a free run at our defense I think I agree with this, subject to a spell check Whichever back line we play - 3 / 4 / 5 we need some midfield cover to stop the back line being exposed so easily. Our lack of pace at the back makes this all the more important. Hardly a surprise to see the improvement when G Cam plays in a defensive midfield role...with injuries I guess he will be in the back line for a while now...so we need to find someone else to fill this space...no-one springs to mind Blame it on my big fingersđź‘Ť has you said,we've got some midfielders in. Desperate |
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Post by kustokie on Dec 29, 2017 19:48:18 GMT
(when needed ),I noticed Man u against West Brom and last night the arse against Palace both brought the game to a standstill with throwins at the far end of the pitch. We keep playing which gives the opposition a chance to counterattack. If it.s good enough for the big boys ...... etc WE HAVE NEITHER THE PLAYERS NOR THE COACHING ABILITY TO EVEN ATTEMPT THIS AND YET - time after time - we do Isn’t this something very basic you can teach to 10 year olds? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:54:04 GMT
We try to shut up shop from the first minute. Outdated thinking even Mourinho's pragmatism is being left behind by teams with balls. 100%. Too many teams are too scared to try and win. Us being a huge culprit. |
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 19:56:27 GMT
So why are non of the top teams better at the back than they are going forward. Sorry but that's just outdated thinking. I suppose it comes down to the classic line of " the best form of defence is attack " and some of the top teams have that. We don't and most teams don't so the best line of defence is to defend first. I'm sure you think it makes sense. You seem to be back to Pulis mentality as though Hughes first 2 and a half seasons never happened. Attacking football is more productive defensive football is for those who are too scared to try. |
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Post by Stoke711 on Dec 29, 2017 20:11:14 GMT
(when needed ),I noticed Man u against West Brom and last night the arse against Palace both brought the game to a standstill with throwins at the far end of the pitch. We keep playing which gives the opposition a chance to counterattack. If it.s good enough for the big boys ...... etc We are shit at it. How often do you see us go 1 up, sit back and concede? Sitting back just invites pressure and chances. Far better off trying to kill the game off by going forward. |
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 29, 2017 20:16:08 GMT
I suppose it comes down to the classic line of " the best form of defence is attack " and some of the top teams have that. We don't and most teams don't so the best line of defence is to defend first. I'm sure you think it makes sense. You seem to be back to Pulis mentality as though Hughes first 2 and a half seasons never happened. Attacking football is more productive defensive football is for those who are too scared to try. I'm not saying that at all. I want attacking football but when attacking isn't happening you need something to fall back on which is being able to defend. Something we can't do very well at the moment but a trait that would put us in better position right now than all out attack. Which is something else we are struggling to do well. |
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