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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2017 11:11:44 GMT
I much prefer Les when he's spiky and got the arsehole about stuff. Now I know that jumping around like a lunatic barking "Go on Jon!" doesn't make you a good manager but that look he has in his eye of where he's going to stop off for that pint of milk on his way home as we concede another goal isn't a great look either.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 1, 2017 11:19:46 GMT
Thye league has such double standard , he should have been demoted for that for at least a month and called in front of a panel to justify himself , if players can get banned for diving why not referees for favouritism as no doubt you have all said had it been at the other end we all know what would have happened .
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 1, 2017 11:39:46 GMT
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Post by jeycov on Dec 1, 2017 12:04:32 GMT
It is bad that there's absolutely fuck all transparency with them and there's seemingly no reprimands for their incompetence. Dropping into the Championship isn't a punishment. Not when there's so much at stake and they're making the most glaring mistakes. Mic them up like the Rugby and have them interviewed after the game. Miking them would be interesting- certainly produce evidence of the verbal abuse of players surrounding the referee. Rules suggest it should only be the captain involved in such discussions They have to be accountable with so much at stake
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Post by skip on Dec 1, 2017 12:56:53 GMT
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Dec 1, 2017 13:06:09 GMT
Shocker - local scouse paper defends referee giving decision in favour of Liverpool.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 1, 2017 14:29:13 GMT
Shocker - local scouse paper defends referee giving decision in favour of Liverpool. To be fair I don't think they are defending the decision just explaining that Aatkinson obviously felt it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity because of the proximity of Gomez.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 14:47:11 GMT
Shocker - local scouse paper defends referee giving decision in favour of Liverpool. To be fair I don't think they are defending the decision just explaining that Aatkinson obviously felt it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity because of the proximity of Gomez. There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating.
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Post by neddy on Dec 1, 2017 16:06:41 GMT
To be fair I don't think they are defending the decision just explaining that Aatkinson obviously felt it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity because of the proximity of Gomez. There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating. I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 1, 2017 16:09:23 GMT
There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating. I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? I'm struggling to believe that he doesn't do it on purpose, given the number of terrible decisions we've been on the end of when he has been in charge. He's a twat.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Dec 1, 2017 16:10:58 GMT
Let's see if we put official complaint in and the dodgy cunt never refs any of our games again
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Post by colinroberts1 on Dec 1, 2017 16:13:03 GMT
Shocker - local scouse paper defends referee giving decision in favour of Liverpool. To be fair I don't think they are defending the decision just explaining that Aatkinson obviously felt it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity because of the proximity of Gomez. Atkinson has obviously felt the need to shafts us time and time again! If you think he hasn't, why was he stopped from reffing our games then? 🤔🤔🤔
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Post by stokie1954 on Dec 1, 2017 16:15:29 GMT
Hughes has a history of blaming refs through all his career. Clever really deflecting attention away from his own inadequacies. Don't wash with me though, unlike some gullible people on here.
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Dec 1, 2017 16:23:13 GMT
Its not a case of ignoring the failings of our own team but it conflates two issues - our poor showing with poor officiating. Personally I don't think Atkinson is 'corrupt' - just inept and incomptent with the penchant for making rushed decisions (if I remember correctly he also sent Huth off v Sunderland when no contact was made as well as the Boxing Day Newcastle incident). Hughes was asked for a view so gave it. As for the Echo - they could have chosen to just ignore the issue and focus on tomorrow's game. The absolute silence from the 'elite' refs representatives is what's most infuriating for me though in what is such a media-centric multimillion entertainment industry.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 16:26:50 GMT
Hughes has a history of blaming refs through all his career. Clever really deflecting attention away from his own inadequacies. Don't wash with me though, unlike some gullible people on here. He's no different than any other manager. Every single one of them would've have good cause for complaint had that happened to them and every single one of them would've kicked up a stink.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 16:30:19 GMT
There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating. I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? The only question to ask here is had the roles been reversed and had Firmino skipped round Grant at Anfield with a Stoke player BEHIND HIM, having not much of a chance to stop him tapping the ball into the empty net, would Atkinson have shown Grant a yellow card? We all know the answer. Perhaps it's not so much purposely shafting individual clubs like Stoke, but the top referees in this country don't want to go upsetting the big ones do they? It stands out a mile.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 1, 2017 16:32:06 GMT
There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating. I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? All refs have a bias towards the big clubs. If they make contentious decisions against the ManU's Chelseas Liverpools etc they get scrutinised to the n'th degree. If decisions go against the Stokes Swanseas and Bournemouths of this world who actually gives a fuck? The FA back them up so other than a few annoying fans everyone is happy. The football world outside of Stoke will have forgotten about this next week.
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Post by neddy on Dec 1, 2017 16:33:59 GMT
I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? The only question to ask here is had the roles been reversed and had Firmino skipped round Grant at Anfield with a Stoke player BEHIND HIM, having not much of a chance to stop him tapping the ball into the empty net, would Atkinson have shown Grant a yellow card? We all know the answer. Perhaps it's not so much purposely shafting individual clubs like Stoke, but the top referees in this country don't want to go upsetting the big ones do they? It stands out a mile. Agreed but not so much quote “purposely shafting” is a different statement than cheating implying wilfully being corrupt. Who knows! We just need a win tomorrow! Come on Stoke!!
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Dec 1, 2017 16:40:22 GMT
What I don't get is people saying it wasn't last man due to Gomez being there.Even if Gomez was waiting on the line he would have still been last man due to the usual last man (goalkeeper)being the bloke who fouled him.Gomez wasn't even in front of diouf making it ' no man'.😠
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 1, 2017 17:03:51 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5135831/Peter-Crouch-secrets-longevity-Not-yoga-diet.htmlThere is no way I could let this week’s column pass without looking back to the 39th minute of our game with Liverpool on Wednesday. How could I not? I was standing right next to Mame Biram Diouf when he was chopped down by Simon Mignolet and I’m still trying to work out how Martin Atkinson never sent him off. The decision he made was incredible and the talk of our Clayton Wood training ground on Thursday. It was a moment that could potentially have changed the game. Mame had gone around Mignolet and was just going to tap into an empty net. If Mignolet had been in goal and a defender had made the same tackle, the defender would have been off. So how did Mignolet not see red? I don’t want to say, though, it was the reason we lost the game. Liverpool are a very good side and were even better when Mohamed Salah came on. His first goal? That volley. I was right behind it when he hit it and it was in from the moment it left his foot. He is so calm and composed and you knew he was going to score the third goal. People talk about Liverpool not being solid but I thought the two central defenders, Dejan Lovren and Joel Matip, were really difficult to play against. They were decent. I know they have come in for a lot of stick but they were really, really solid. They are going to be in the top four, fighting until the end of the season.
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Post by lordb on Dec 1, 2017 17:17:44 GMT
There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating. I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? Atkinson has given numerous (in the teens at least) contentious decisions against Stoke,how many the other way? Zero. If he wasn't biased over a ten year period it would even itself out. Rob Styles loved a headline hence his ridiculous use of red cards but at least he sent any fucker off.
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Post by werrington on Dec 1, 2017 17:23:48 GMT
I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? I'm struggling to believe that he doesn't do it on purpose, given the number of terrible decisions we've been on the end of when he has been in charge. He's a twat. Something sinister happened at Newcastle away on Boxing Day 4 years ago which went way beyond a normal refereeing display I’m genuinely convinced of that mate
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2017 17:26:19 GMT
I'm struggling to believe that he doesn't do it on purpose, given the number of terrible decisions we've been on the end of when he has been in charge. He's a twat. Something sinister happened at Newcastle away on Boxing Day 4 years ago which went way beyond a normal refereeing display I’m genuinely convinced of that mate Correct. That was not a normal refereeing display. We've had some shocking refs over the years but that game and Styles at Gillingham still trouble me as being something worse than incompetence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 17:31:19 GMT
There's no way Gomez would've stopped Mame without fouling him. No way whatsoever. Let's just call it what it is; cheating. I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? He clearly has a problem with our club, there was a clear bias in all his decisions.he is an embarrassment to football. I am also ashamed of how timid our fans were the other night after such an injustice. We used to turn it into a bearpit
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2017 17:38:11 GMT
I absolutely believe it should have been a red card but do you really believe Atkinson wilfully knew it should have been red and chose to shaft Stoke on purpose? A work mate of mine was a ref in Yorkshire and knew Atkinson well and thought he was a thouroughly decent bloke. I know he has form with us but if what you suggests is true and I guess only he knows then he should not be allowed to referee ever again? We all know some referees are accused of favouring the big teams say in marginal calls but what you are saying goes much further? I hope he guessed too quickly seeing the defender without consulting the linesman as he took no time to consider it? But I guess we will never know sadly.....if referees are wilfully corrupt then it really does make you wonder why we all bother? He clearly has a problem with our club, there was a clear bias in all his decisions.he is an embarrassment to football. I am also ashamed of how timid our fans were the other night after such an injustice. We used to turn it into a bearpit That was the most maddening thing about it and why, even after a significant cooling down period still feel Hughes has to go. We are a terrible crowd, shocking. We can berate ourselves and should do but ultimately it's the shit being served up for so long thats responsible
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Post by werrington on Dec 1, 2017 17:42:57 GMT
Fair play to Klopp
He’s actually supported Hughes version of events in regards the red card
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Post by RAF on Dec 1, 2017 17:55:37 GMT
Fair play to Klopp He’s actually supported Hughes version of events in regards the red card Has he? He must have looked at it again then because in his initial interview he said it was a yellow and then went on to wrongly talk about last man. H
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 17:58:43 GMT
There are only two possible scenarios in my mind.
1. Atkinson doesn't understand properly the laws of the game, meaning he is not fit to referee at any level of football.
2. Atkinson didn't want to send the player off due to bias and / or corruption in his part.
Now, he gave the free kick so clearly accepted it was a foul. He will have seen the foul was by the goalkeeper. He will have seen that all other players were behind Diouf. He will have seen Diouf attempt go around the keeper with the ball, acheiving the ball doing that but not the player as he was fouled.
Given the above facts and the fact he is a Premier League referee I think we can rule out number 1.
That therefore only leaves option 2.
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Post by werrington on Dec 1, 2017 18:00:14 GMT
Fair play to Klopp He’s actually supported Hughes version of events in regards the red card Has he? He must have looked at it again then because in his initial interview he said it was a yellow and then went on to wrongly talk about last man. H SSN mate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 18:00:35 GMT
Atkinson realised it was Diouf and even with an empty net, and time to think, it was never a goal-scoring opportunity!!
In all seriousness, it was a straightforward red you’ll ever see (or should have seen).
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