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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 13:46:37 GMT
I'm still fucking angry. Seething in fact.
The tackle was similar and worse than the one he sent Wilson off for in the Newcastle game.
I can't see any other explanation than he wanted Stoke to lose and was biased to that effect.
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Post by wingy11 on Nov 30, 2017 13:58:08 GMT
Ref watch on sky
First point the red card - sky ref defo a red card Second ball over the line - sky say ball wasnt totally over the line dont know ehat reply he watched as match of the day paused the ball and it looked like it was all over the line
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 30, 2017 18:07:53 GMT
Seen as he does fuck all else . How long can it take to get off a car park last night, where is our grinning CEO , coming out and saying we simply refuse to accept him refereing our games same as we did with Dean .
We should have done it after Newcastle it's simply part of his fun to be seen to contra a reputedly hostile environment. His reputation as the most arrogant , smarmy , narcasstic individual is not earned without good cause .
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Post by Ursemboy on Nov 30, 2017 18:38:45 GMT
Everyone agrees it should have been a red card. Ball over the line - MOTD showed the ball was out.
Atkinson - Big club ref, sent off more Stoke players than any other ref.
Previously, decisions against us like these would have created a siege mentality and fantastic backing. Last night was the worst atmosphere since we have been in the Prem by a Salif Diao.
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Post by PenkPonther on Nov 30, 2017 18:58:11 GMT
Giving an immediate yellow card (without even feeling the need to check with the other match officials if he wasn't sure), was so clearly the polar opposite of what should have been done, that for once I feel quite comfortable saying the referee was a cheat.
Yet strangely afterwards, I too didn't shout and scream like I used to. I just couldn't bring myself to care. But this apathy was nothing to do with me being anti-Hughes though, as I personally like the guy. I just felt numbed and unbothered because we've seen this big club favoritism before, so many times. And many of us now recognise that the Premier League, far from being the promised land, is in fact a rigged and pointless contest, where only money talks to those who run it; not any sense of fairness or desire for genuine competition.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Nov 30, 2017 19:15:00 GMT
Even two years ago, this thread would have been in double figures pages by now, but because people are so pissed off with the manager and our performances we have Stoke fans just accepting one of the most blatant cases of cheating we've seen at this stadium, and by god there have been plenty of bad ones. Hardly anyone is disputing that we didn't play well enough last night to have deserved to have won the game, but nobody knows how the match would have evolved if Mignolet had been sent off. Chances are Klopp would've taken off Solanke and brought on another defensive-minded player, probably Henderson and with the promise Stoke were showing after we'd put Diouf up front then who knows what would've happened? By the same token of course, Liverpool still had talented players like Firmino and Mane on the pitch and maybe still would've won the game, but we'll never know. The player who scored two goals with 22 players on the pitch might not even have come on had his team been down to ten men. There are plenty of other threads to discuss how shit we currently are. Leave this one to talk about how much of a twat Martin Atkinson is. It's a fair point Dave. I'd normally be fucking fuming at that type of decision. It's the kind of thing that angers me for days if not weeks after. The feeling of injustice is difficult to shake when you get blatantly done over like that. Having said that, I was angry for about 5 minutes last night, had a quick rant in the concourse with my Old Man any my mates and then I'd moved on by the time the second half kicked off. I hate it when things get that bad that I struggle to feel any kind of emotion for my club, good or bad. I almost didn't go last night as I expected us to get turned over. I've almost given up on this season already. I'm just waiting for a change in manager now and to see what that brings. I've decided to knock Saturdays game on the head. Apathy has taken control. It feels the same as it did towards the end of Pulis' tenure. I'm going to enjoy my Saturday instead and spend a bit of time with the family.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 30, 2017 19:35:04 GMT
Yep, if I didn't have kids I'd be happy to do time. God I'm fucking angry My blood is fucking boiling. The tackle is late and high, practically knee high which is an arguable red on its own. Add in that Diouf is past him, 19 yards from goal with the simplest of tap ins. The nearest defender is behind him, evidenced by Gomez (?) falling over Diouf as Diouf fell to the ground. The foul is outside the box so the double jeopardy rule doesnt apply. There is therefore only one sole reason not to give a red. That you are a biased, corrupt, paid off cunt of the highest order. There is no other logical explanation. Given that Mignolet has now admitted it was deliberate, it should have been a red even if it was in the area.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 30, 2017 19:47:55 GMT
Giving an immediate yellow card (without even feeling the need to check with the other match officials if he wasn't sure), was so clearly the polar opposite of what should have been done, that for once I feel quite comfortable saying the referee was a cheat. Yet strangely afterwards, I too didn't shout and scream like I used to. I just couldn't bring myself to care. But this apathy was nothing to do with me being anti-Hughes though, as I personally like the guy. I just felt numbed and unbothered because we've seen this big club favoritism before, so many times. And many of us now recognise that the Premier League, far from being the promised land, is in fact a rigged and pointless contest, where only money talks to those who run it; not any sense of fairness or desire for genuine competition. This was what pissed me off the most too. The swiftness that he went to book Mignolet and thus relieve himself of facing up to the big decision was fucking unforgiveable. You've got to at least give yourself a few seconds to think about a decision like that, it was just terribly unprofessional. Incidentally, as I'm a total fucking masochist, has anyone got a link to watch the incident again?
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Post by nott1 on Dec 1, 2017 8:06:22 GMT
This guy should never ever ref another Stoke-Liverpool match, he is obviously biased!
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 1, 2017 8:30:13 GMT
I don't actually believe Atkinson is anti Stoke, BUT I do believe like many refs he is big club bias. Can you imagine the uproar if he would have sent of Mignolet and it was proved it was only worthy of a yellow, it would be all over the papers and there would probably be a Panorama investigation into it
However because its little old Stoke and nobody other than us gives a fuck then I truly believe that its in the Refs mind when making these hard decisions. Atkinson isn't the only one with form against Stoke, we have that prize cock Michael Oliver and Mr I love me, Andre Mariner.
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Post by Northy on Dec 1, 2017 8:50:20 GMT
Seen as he does fuck all else . How long can it take to get off a car park last night, where is our grinning CEO , coming out and saying we simply refuse to accept him refereing our games same as we did with Dean . We should have done it after Newcastle it's simply part of his fun to be seen to contra a reputedly hostile environment. His reputation as the most arrogant , smarmy , narcasstic individual is not earned without good cause . I thought we did request twatkinson not to referee us after the Newcastle game, he didn't for a while then turned up at Rochdale away I think when we were singing 'you gave us that but you're still a c*nt'
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 1, 2017 8:52:50 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-news-transfer-rumours-860145Mark Hughes's press conference: Martin Atkinson MH: My feelings reflect everyone else’s and clearly everyone in the stadium apart from one. It was a huge moment because clearly at that moment we were in the ascendancy. You need a little help from the officials and unfortunately we didn’t get any. It’s not clear why it wasn’t made. It was a pretty straightforward decision in my view, but wasn’t made, and denied us an opportunity to have an advantage in terms of numbers. I am angry with that. We are in a situation where we are looking for more points clearly. We are going up against a top team, bringing one of the top performing players off the bench to take the game away from us, and we need a bit of help. When the officials aren’t getting the decisions correct they should it is frustrating. I’m sure (Martin Atkinson) will be given another game this weekend and I ask why. I don’t think he should be.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 1, 2017 8:55:08 GMT
Why can’t refs be interviewed after games and questioned on dubious decisions the same as coaches are required to do. At least then refs can explain their decisions and even own up to having cocked up. I am sure this would gain them more respect instead of running away and keeping schtum. Could go a step further and introduce microphones as in rugby so you can hear the refs talking to linos, 4th official and players.
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Post by thegift on Dec 1, 2017 8:59:12 GMT
Even two years ago, this thread would have been in double figures pages by now, but because people are so pissed off with the manager and our performances we have Stoke fans just accepting one of the most blatant cases of cheating we've seen at this stadium, and by god there have been plenty of bad ones. Hardly anyone is disputing that we didn't play well enough last night to have deserved to have won the game, but nobody knows how the match would have evolved if Mignolet had been sent off. Chances are Klopp would've taken off Solanke and brought on another defensive-minded player, probably Henderson and with the promise Stoke were showing after we'd put Diouf up front then who knows what would've happened? By the same token of course, Liverpool still had talented players like Firmino and Mane on the pitch and maybe still would've won the game, but we'll never know. The player who scored two goals with 22 players on the pitch might not even have come on had his team been down to ten men. There are plenty of other threads to discuss how shit we currently are. Leave this one to talk about how much of a twat Martin Atkinson is. Whilst i blame Atkinson for the game, as 2 key decisions resulted in the game changing, we were not good enough regardless, and its not Atkinson's fault we've been a shambles for 18 months. Even you cant blame Atkinson for the last 18 months Dave.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 9:36:36 GMT
Even two years ago, this thread would have been in double figures pages by now, but because people are so pissed off with the manager and our performances we have Stoke fans just accepting one of the most blatant cases of cheating we've seen at this stadium, and by god there have been plenty of bad ones. Hardly anyone is disputing that we didn't play well enough last night to have deserved to have won the game, but nobody knows how the match would have evolved if Mignolet had been sent off. Chances are Klopp would've taken off Solanke and brought on another defensive-minded player, probably Henderson and with the promise Stoke were showing after we'd put Diouf up front then who knows what would've happened? By the same token of course, Liverpool still had talented players like Firmino and Mane on the pitch and maybe still would've won the game, but we'll never know. The player who scored two goals with 22 players on the pitch might not even have come on had his team been down to ten men. There are plenty of other threads to discuss how shit we currently are. Leave this one to talk about how much of a twat Martin Atkinson is. Whilst i blame Atkinson for the game, as 2 key decisions resulted in the game changing, we were not good enough regardless, and its not Atkinson's fault we've been a shambles for 18 months. Even you cant blame Atkinson for the last 18 months Dave. You're not very bright are you? And stop PM'ing me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 9:37:42 GMT
Even two years ago, this thread would have been in double figures pages by now, but because people are so pissed off with the manager and our performances we have Stoke fans just accepting one of the most blatant cases of cheating we've seen at this stadium, and by god there have been plenty of bad ones. Hardly anyone is disputing that we didn't play well enough last night to have deserved to have won the game, but nobody knows how the match would have evolved if Mignolet had been sent off. Chances are Klopp would've taken off Solanke and brought on another defensive-minded player, probably Henderson and with the promise Stoke were showing after we'd put Diouf up front then who knows what would've happened? By the same token of course, Liverpool still had talented players like Firmino and Mane on the pitch and maybe still would've won the game, but we'll never know. The player who scored two goals with 22 players on the pitch might not even have come on had his team been down to ten men. There are plenty of other threads to discuss how shit we currently are. Leave this one to talk about how much of a twat Martin Atkinson is. Whilst i blame Atkinson for the game, as 2 key decisions resulted in the game changing, we were not good enough regardless, and its not Atkinson's fault we've been a shambles for 18 months. Even you cant blame Atkinson for the last 18 months Dave. Direct me the part where he is blaming Atkinson for the last 18 months think I might be missing something?
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Post by thegift on Dec 1, 2017 9:47:02 GMT
Whilst i blame Atkinson for the game, as 2 key decisions resulted in the game changing, we were not good enough regardless, and its not Atkinson's fault we've been a shambles for 18 months. Even you cant blame Atkinson for the last 18 months Dave. You're not very bright are you? And stop PM'ing me. Touchy aren't you Dave.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 9:50:38 GMT
You're not very bright are you? And stop PM'ing me. Touchy aren't you Dave. Not really. Just a bit tired of bullshitters, attention-seekers and trolls on this message board.
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Post by thegift on Dec 1, 2017 9:51:57 GMT
Not really. Just a bit tired of bullshitters, attention-seekers and trolls on this message board. Just because you don't like my opinion, it doesn't mean its attention seeking, or trolling. Not everyone will agree with what you put, Dave.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 1, 2017 10:18:31 GMT
Whilst i blame Atkinson for the game, as 2 key decisions resulted in the game changing, we were not good enough regardless, and its not Atkinson's fault we've been a shambles for 18 months. Even you cant blame Atkinson for the last 18 months Dave. You're not very bright are you? And stop PM'ing me. A contender for understatement of the month if ever I saw one
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2017 10:23:40 GMT
Les has called for Atkinson to be removed from the weekends fixtures in the morning press conferences. Should grab a headline or two.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 1, 2017 10:25:13 GMT
Les has called for Atkinson to be removed from the weekends fixtures in the morning press conferences. Should grab a headline or two. And deflect from our current predicament along with his tenure being questioned. Crafty.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 10:27:34 GMT
Les has called for Atkinson to be removed from the weekends fixtures in the morning press conferences. Should grab a headline or two. He's talking rubbish. It shouldn't be just this weekend...
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 1, 2017 10:28:54 GMT
Les has called for Atkinson to be removed from the weekends fixtures in the morning press conferences. Should grab a headline or two. And deflect from our current predicament along with his tenure being questioned. Crafty. Probably a clever move. The Referee appointment sec will think twice about appointing him to any more of our games this season. I don’t want to see him ever again. And that goes for Dean as well.
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2017 10:29:31 GMT
Anyway, he's got Watford v Spurs tomorrow.
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 1, 2017 10:30:58 GMT
Seen as he does fuck all else . How long can it take to get off a car park last night, where is our grinning CEO , coming out and saying we simply refuse to accept him refereing our games same as we did with Dean . We should have done it after Newcastle it's simply part of his fun to be seen to contra a reputedly hostile environment. His reputation as the most arrogant , smarmy , narcasstic individual is not earned without good cause . I thought we did request twatkinson not to referee us after the Newcastle game, he didn't for a while then turned up at Rochdale away I think when we were singing 'you gave us that but you're still a c*nt' Yes, I distinctly remember a chorus of 'We still think you're a wanker' ringing out. He was just plain old shit that night for both sides, as opposed to Wednesday's match.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 1, 2017 10:31:59 GMT
And deflect from our current predicament along with his tenure being questioned. Crafty. Probably a clever move. The Referee appointment sec will think twice about appointing him to any more of our games this season. I don’t want to see him ever again. And that goes for Dean as well. Fingers crossed - it is also a warning shot to Craig Pawson for tomorrow as well - I hope Les makes sure he gets the message.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 10:41:16 GMT
Anyway, he's got Watford v Spurs tomorrow. And he'll no doubt give Watford plenty of benefit of the doubt just to show the world that he's not really a big club biased prick. Prick.
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Post by mrred on Dec 1, 2017 11:01:18 GMT
It is bad that there's absolutely fuck all transparency with them and there's seemingly no reprimands for their incompetence. Dropping into the Championship isn't a punishment. Not when there's so much at stake and they're making the most glaring mistakes.
Mic them up like the Rugby and have them interviewed after the game.
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Post by lordb on Dec 1, 2017 11:05:35 GMT
Even two years ago, this thread would have been in double figures pages by now, but because people are so pissed off with the manager and our performances we have Stoke fans just accepting one of the most blatant cases of cheating we've seen at this stadium, and by god there have been plenty of bad ones. Hardly anyone is disputing that we didn't play well enough last night to have deserved to have won the game, but nobody knows how the match would have evolved if Mignolet had been sent off. Chances are Klopp would've taken off Solanke and brought on another defensive-minded player, probably Henderson and with the promise Stoke were showing after we'd put Diouf up front then who knows what would've happened? By the same token of course, Liverpool still had talented players like Firmino and Mane on the pitch and maybe still would've won the game, but we'll never know. The player who scored two goals with 22 players on the pitch might not even have come on had his team been down to ten men. There are plenty of other threads to discuss how shit we currently are. Leave this one to talk about how much of a twat Martin Atkinson is. Whilst i blame Atkinson for the game, as 2 key decisions resulted in the game changing, we were not good enough regardless, and its not Atkinson's fault we've been a shambles for 18 months. Even you cant blame Atkinson for the last 18 months Dave. No one is, Hughes might be gone soon who knows but Atkinson won't be
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