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Post by adri2008 on May 25, 2022 6:43:10 GMT
The US is absolutely obsessed with guns and the right to bear arms - they'd rather arm teachers (what could possibly go wrong with that?) than attempt to control their use
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 25, 2022 6:52:59 GMT
The US is absolutely obsessed with guns and the right to bear arms - they'd rather arm teachers (what could possibly go wrong with that?) than attempt to control their use I would not be at all surprised if that was considered the "answer". More guns is usually what happens after one of these episodes, gun purchases go up. Imagine sending your kid off to school to a place where all the adults are wandering around armed to the teeth...I'd give it six months before the first teacher went on a rampage.
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Post by partickpotter on May 25, 2022 7:25:01 GMT
I’m staring to think “thoughts and prayers” aren’t the solution to this epidemic. Truly horrific…… Jackson Lahmeyer agrees with you; prayers are not enough… Oh dear. How is it possible that the world’s most advanced society is so fucking bat shit crazy?
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2022 7:58:31 GMT
I’m staring to think “thoughts and prayers” aren’t the solution to this epidemic. Truly horrific…… Jackson Lahmeyer agrees with you; prayers are not enough… Oh dear. How is it possible that the world’s most advanced society is so fucking bat shit crazy? 'the world's most advanced soceiety' By what measure?
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 25, 2022 8:09:35 GMT
The US is absolutely obsessed with guns and the right to bear arms - they'd rather arm teachers (what could possibly go wrong with that?) than attempt to control their use I would not be at all surprised if that was considered the "answer". More guns is usually what happens after one of these episodes, gun purchases go up. Imagine sending your kid off to school to a place where all the adults are wandering around armed to the teeth...I'd give it six months before the first teacher went on a rampage. It’s so, so wrong. Kids will be going to School with guns next. Carrying guns in a “civilised” society should never be the norm. I’m just grateful that we have such tough laws around firearms in the U.K. because once you have guns on the street legally it’s very difficult to turn things around.
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Post by partickpotter on May 25, 2022 8:10:20 GMT
Jackson Lahmeyer agrees with you; prayers are not enough… Oh dear. How is it possible that the world’s most advanced society is so fucking bat shit crazy? 'the world's most advanced soceiety' By what measure? Yeah, I did wonder about my choice of words there. I was actually thinking about how to justify that statement! Probably most advanced in terms of technology. Certainly most advanced in terms of cultural and, still just about, commercial influence. But, anyway, you get the idea. They are a big cheese. But, in parts, a stinky, mouldy cheese.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 25, 2022 8:10:22 GMT
I’m staring to think “thoughts and prayers” aren’t the solution to this epidemic. Truly horrific…… That's as far as it ever gets though. "There have already been 27 school shootings this year alone. Young school children routinely rehearse what to do if a gunman enters their classroom". Where the threat of someone shooting you in school is so real you practice what to do like it was a fire drill. Crazy. But they'll just move on to the next one like they always do and little if anything will change. The solution from the gun lobby is more guns, more guns, more guns. Bat shit crazy.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 25, 2022 8:16:28 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on May 25, 2022 9:13:30 GMT
SNAFU - to use the U.S. military acronym. And Fubar to describe the whole batshit country With what’s gone on with the abortion thing this sums up the yanks
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Post by cerebralstokie on May 25, 2022 10:36:14 GMT
I worked in the States for a year (Montana) and saw the gun culture at first hand. Montana is big hunting country. Most households possessed at least one gun (usually a hunting rifle).Talk was of little else during the hunting season. One student accidentally killed his own father in a hunting accident. There were instances of domestic disputes being settled by shooting. I was invited to join a hunting trip as an observer. I remember spending nearly two hours on a freezing mountain because one of the party "thought he heard an elk breathing in the brush". Late winter was duck hunting season. They could be shot between the hours of sunrise and sunset. Again I joined a party on a reedy marshland. Decoys were put out. Nothing happened. At sunset, everyone broke cover, decoys recovered and suddenly flocks of ducks appeared in the sky. Guns could be easily purchased including over the counter in the local supermarket (handguns). Proposed legislation to even register ownership of a firearm was vigorously opposed by the gun lobby. I encountered a backwoodsman in a remote region of Oregon who felt he needed a firearm to protect him from cayotes and hippies -"gut shoot the bastards" was his mantra (hippies). Unfortunately school shootings which seem to occur on a regular basis rightly prompt calls for stricter gun laws which are regularly opposed by the gun lobby citing the second amendment to the Constitution. I can't see things changing unfortunately as the N.R.A. has too many friends in high places.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 25, 2022 15:12:57 GMT
I worked in the States for a year (Montana) and saw the gun culture at first hand. Montana is big hunting country. Most households possessed at least one gun (usually a hunting rifle).Talk was of little else during the hunting season. One student accidentally killed his own father in a hunting accident. There were instances of domestic disputes being settled by shooting. I was invited to join a hunting trip as an observer. I remember spending nearly two hours on a freezing mountain because one of the party "thought he heard an elk breathing in the brush". Late winter was duck hunting season. They could be shot between the hours of sunrise and sunset. Again I joined a party on a reedy marshland. Decoys were put out. Nothing happened. At sunset, everyone broke cover, decoys recovered and suddenly flocks of ducks appeared in the sky. Guns could be easily purchased including over the counter in the local supermarket (handguns). Proposed legislation to even register ownership of a firearm was vigorously opposed by the gun lobby. I encountered a backwoodsman in a remote region of Oregon who felt he needed a firearm to protect him from cayotes and hippies -"gut shoot the bastards" was his mantra (hippies). Unfortunately school shootings which seem to occur on a regular basis rightly prompt calls for stricter gun laws which are regularly opposed by the gun lobby citing the second amendment to the Constitution. I can't see things changing unfortunately as the N.R.A. has too many friends in high places. Yeah, it's just a completely accepted part of life (and death) over there. You get the hand-wringing for 24 hours, all the usual platitudes, thoughts and prayers etc, then everyone shrugs and moves on. I often wonder what a pro-gun parent must make of it when their loved one is blown away? I'm not sure why they bother with all the nice words. I think I'm right in saying that they have a cut-off point of four deaths before they even consider reporting it as a multiple shooting? Could be wrong about that, but may as well raise it to ten or even 20 for all the difference it'd make.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 25, 2022 15:52:22 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 26, 2022 21:29:57 GMT
Staggering comment from Obama. Can’t he just pay his respects to those poor children without having to politicising. If he wants to pay his respects to George Floyd do it seperatly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2022 19:27:42 GMT
Totally normal country
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Post by dirtclod on May 27, 2022 19:46:11 GMT
We (US) are far from the world's "most advanced" society. We had a chance at it at one time, but blew it through laziness, ego and stupidity. Then later, we utterly killed it through off-shoring. Pretty hard to innovate it when you no longer make it.
My big fear is the coming financial crash when China's economy inevitably nosedives. We are such "in hock" with them that it'll take our economy with it.
Regarding guns, I won't waste time getting into it because nothing's going to change as several posts have pointed out. I own one, but I'm not going to preach on here about my "right" to have it. We have plenty of laws on the books that COULD control stuff like this, but we don't enforce them. That video about the gun-show is a good example of that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2022 19:55:41 GMT
We (US) are far from the world's "most advanced" society. We had a chance at it at one time, but blew it through laziness, ego and stupidity. Then later, we utterly killed it through off-shoring. Pretty hard to innovate it when you no longer make it. My big fear is the coming financial crash when China's economy inevitably nosedives. We are such "in hock" with them that it'll take our economy with it. Regarding guns, I won't waste time getting into it because nothing's going to change as several posts have pointed out. I own one, but I'm not going to preach on here about my "right" to have it. We have plenty of laws on the books that COULD control stuff like this, but we don't enforce them. That video about the gun-show is a good example of that. They said it was legal for the 13 year old to buy it?
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 9, 2022 22:33:47 GMT
oh no not again when will they ever learn link
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 10, 2022 6:02:57 GMT
Mental health is a real issue at the moment. Arming them is an even bigger problem. I’m just pleased that we have a law where people aren’t just allowed to wander around with guns.
The US has a major problem on their hands that needs addressing immediately. I just have no idea how.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 10, 2022 10:51:41 GMT
We (US) are far from the world's "most advanced" society. We had a chance at it at one time, but blew it through laziness, ego and stupidity. Then later, we utterly killed it through off-shoring. Pretty hard to innovate it when you no longer make it. My big fear is the coming financial crash when China's economy inevitably nosedives. We are such "in hock" with them that it'll take our economy with it. Regarding guns, I won't waste time getting into it because nothing's going to change as several posts have pointed out. I own one, but I'm not going to preach on here about my "right" to have it. We have plenty of laws on the books that COULD control stuff like this, but we don't enforce them. That video about the gun-show is a good example of that. in fairness i find the proliferation of guns in america scary when i was 18 we were on a school trip to the Boston area which involved a few days in an American High School and some homestays we stayed with the daughter of the local chief of police, on a friday evening we attended a party which during which we drank the americans under the table and had a good old time, there was an oddball kid there whos name was and i shit you not, Forrest.... anyway hometime, our host drives us home, in her fathers car, (she was sober by the way), and young forrest who was our age took a ride with us, i was in the back with Forrest and he proceeded to show me two things, one was a giant bag of weed, and the other was his hand gun, i couldnt tell you what type it was but it was heavy and loaded and he passed it too me, luckily i had a small amount fire arm training from my days in army cadets and could make the weapon safe, i removed the clip and kept it all seperate, i just remember shitting myself thinking if we get pulled im here with a firearm and drugs in the car im going too the county lockup! but the point is what is a nutter like him doing hauling a gun round and too a teenagers friday party, its terrifying despite all that if i lived in the colonies over there i would have a gun, the bloke breaking it at night isnt carrying a screwdriver and crowbar, he has a gun, i would want a bigger one than him!
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 10, 2022 13:02:56 GMT
We (US) are far from the world's "most advanced" society. We had a chance at it at one time, but blew it through laziness, ego and stupidity. Then later, we utterly killed it through off-shoring. Pretty hard to innovate it when you no longer make it. My big fear is the coming financial crash when China's economy inevitably nosedives. We are such "in hock" with them that it'll take our economy with it. Regarding guns, I won't waste time getting into it because nothing's going to change as several posts have pointed out. I own one, but I'm not going to preach on here about my "right" to have it. We have plenty of laws on the books that COULD control stuff like this, but we don't enforce them. That video about the gun-show is a good example of that. in fairness i find the proliferation of guns in america scary when i was 18 we were on a school trip to the Boston area which involved a few days in an American High School and some homestays we stayed with the daughter of the local chief of police, on a friday evening we attended a party which during which we drank the americans under the table and had a good old time, there was an oddball kid there whos name was and i shit you not, Forrest.... anyway hometime, our host drives us home, in her fathers car, (she was sober by the way), and young forrest who was our age took a ride with us, i was in the back with Forrest and he proceeded to show me two things, one was a giant bag of weed, and the other was his hand gun, i couldnt tell you what type it was but it was heavy and loaded and he passed it too me, luckily i had a small amount fire arm training from my days in army cadets and could make the weapon safe, i removed the clip and kept it all seperate, i just remember shitting myself thinking if we get pulled im here with a firearm and drugs in the car im going too the county lockup! but the point is what is a nutter like him doing hauling a gun round and too a teenagers friday party, its terrifying despite all that if i lived in the colonies over there i would have a gun, the bloke breaking it at night isnt carrying a screwdriver and crowbar, he has a gun, i would want a bigger one than him! Yes we have so many laws around guns that aren't enforced that passing more isn't going to do any good. I think it's what you get used to. I'm used to living in a country where every nut in the corner could have a gun that many of us don't really notice it and thus discount the obvious danger. Most of those nuts know that the other nuts also have them, so there's a sort of "temperance" or deterrence in place. Usually the only time the subject comes up is in a political discussion or when a nut-job does the unthinkable. And you'll notice that they try to find an unarmed group to attack, like defenseless kids. Forrest was an obvious attention-seeker who will most likely end up a victim himself because any real thug usually doesn't give you the courtesy of knowing they have a gun. (Until it's too late) And yes, it's because of people like that (Both Forrest and the nut-jobs) that many of us have chosen to arm ourselves. Nor are they usually stupid enough to let the daughter of the Chief of Police know about it either! LOL In my case, I started carrying as part of a job and then after realized the value of at least having SOMETHING besides a rock or knife to throw back at anyone who attacks. Thankfully, I never had to use it outside of a gun range, which is a lot of fun by the way. (The gun range, not using it outside of one!) So at least I could have pulled mine out and said "Run Forrest! Run!" No, just kidding. Couldn't let that one pass. But I can certainly see where that'd wake you up in an instant! Holy Crap! This kids got a gun and dope! WTF?
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Post by Northy on Jun 10, 2022 14:02:09 GMT
oh no not again when will they ever learn linkI was speaking to an older American couple from Maryland in the lift at the hotel this morning, they said its frightening seeing it all the time.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 10, 2022 15:11:36 GMT
The right to bare arms, a 250 year old rule.
Their laws need updating.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 10, 2022 15:34:33 GMT
The right to bare arms, a 250 year old rule. Their laws need updating. The right to “bare arms”. That made me smile.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 10, 2022 16:09:49 GMT
in fairness i find the proliferation of guns in america scary when i was 18 we were on a school trip to the Boston area which involved a few days in an American High School and some homestays we stayed with the daughter of the local chief of police, on a friday evening we attended a party which during which we drank the americans under the table and had a good old time, there was an oddball kid there whos name was and i shit you not, Forrest.... anyway hometime, our host drives us home, in her fathers car, (she was sober by the way), and young forrest who was our age took a ride with us, i was in the back with Forrest and he proceeded to show me two things, one was a giant bag of weed, and the other was his hand gun, i couldnt tell you what type it was but it was heavy and loaded and he passed it too me, luckily i had a small amount fire arm training from my days in army cadets and could make the weapon safe, i removed the clip and kept it all seperate, i just remember shitting myself thinking if we get pulled im here with a firearm and drugs in the car im going too the county lockup! but the point is what is a nutter like him doing hauling a gun round and too a teenagers friday party, its terrifying despite all that if i lived in the colonies over there i would have a gun, the bloke breaking it at night isnt carrying a screwdriver and crowbar, he has a gun, i would want a bigger one than him! Yes we have so many laws around guns that aren't enforced that passing more isn't going to do any good. I think it's what you get used to. I'm used to living in a country where every nut in the corner could have a gun that many of us don't really notice it and thus discount the obvious danger. Most of those nuts know that the other nuts also have them, so there's a sort of "temperance" or deterrence in place. Usually the only time the subject comes up is in a political discussion or when a nut-job does the unthinkable. And you'll notice that they try to find an unarmed group to attack, like defenseless kids. Forrest was an obvious attention-seeker who will most likely end up a victim himself because any real thug usually doesn't give you the courtesy of knowing they have a gun. (Until it's too late) And yes, it's because of people like that (Both Forrest and the nut-jobs) that many of us have chosen to arm ourselves. Nor are they usually stupid enough to let the daughter of the Chief of Police know about it either! LOL In my case, I started carrying as part of a job and then after realized the value of at least having SOMETHING besides a rock or knife to throw back at anyone who attacks. Thankfully, I never had to use it outside of a gun range, which is a lot of fun by the way. (The gun range, not using it outside of one!) So at least I could have pulled mine out and said "Run Forrest! Run!" No, just kidding. Couldn't let that one pass. But I can certainly see where that'd wake you up in an instant! Holy Crap! This kids got a gun and dope! WTF? the issue is the unthinkable has happened time and time again and will happen over and over, we now have these idiots streaming attacks on the web, i saw the video of the shooter in the supermarket, its vile when it happened here in the uk we tightened regulations, it didnt happen again, when it happened in Australia they tightened regulations, it didnt happen again! and all i remember from that night in the car really was in my head was our headmaster giving us a lecture before we went about making sure that we didnt get into a situation that could cause trouble or detention due to the complexities of the US legal system! within 48 hours of arriving i was in a car with a gun and weed.... he would have been furious
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 10, 2022 18:20:36 GMT
The right to bare arms, a 250 year old rule. Their laws need updating. The right to “bare arms”. That made me smile. It's fair enough though, all of this long sleeve shit has gone too far!
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jul 4, 2022 19:21:14 GMT
6 dead so far a 4th July Parade in Chicago
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2022 19:25:09 GMT
6 dead so far a 4th July Parade in Chicago Fucking idiotic country….
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2022 19:37:31 GMT
6 dead so far a 4th July Parade in Chicago Fucking idiotic country…. It’s a vast country with a massive population, 99.9% are decent law abiding citizens, it happens all over the world. I’m not sure what to make of gun control, does making it illegal make the problem go away? I don’t think it does but then what would make it go away?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 4, 2022 19:54:16 GMT
Fucking idiotic country…. It’s a vast country with a massive population, 99.9% are decent law abiding citizens, it happens all over the world. I’m not sure what to make of gun control, does making it illegal make the problem go away? I don’t think it does but then what would make it go away? Legislators are clearly not able to do anything, so I wonder if corporate America might? In the same way that anyone with "unfortunate" views rapidly apologises and "mis-spoke" or "was taken out of context" as soon as their sponsors start to walk away. It'd take some balls to potentially alienate half the population from your customer base, but I'd like to see big corporations taking a stand. Not entirely sure what form it'd take, but maybe moving out of states with looser gun laws, or those with higher gun murder rates; jobs and income disappearing from states might focus a few state politicians' minds more than rhetoric about gun control ever will. I realise it's unlikely since money talks, but nothing currently changes and people keep dying.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2022 19:57:27 GMT
Fucking idiotic country…. It’s a vast country with a massive population, 99.9% are decent law abiding citizens, it happens all over the world. I’m not sure what to make of gun control, does making it illegal make the problem go away? I don’t think it does but then what would make it go away? I'm not referring to the law abiding citizens, I'm talking about politicians, gun lobbies and other people in power who are complicit in the madness.........
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