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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 23, 2017 19:43:45 GMT
On the one hand, we've got four winnable games coming up.
On the other hand, at the end of the season, there's a possibility that we might regret having kept Hughes in place to lose those games.
Having said all of that, I highly doubt that his job is in danger, and I don't think that we'll go down.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 23, 2017 19:47:55 GMT
If we get beat convincingly by Watford (not out of the question) and the same happens against Leicester then I think he'll be sacked. I don't care what the club are saying publicly we will definitely be sounding out potential replacements as we speak in case we carry on being toss.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 23, 2017 20:29:28 GMT
We've already put ourselves in a more precarious position the we should be. Bournemouth at home was a must win but we lost dismally instead. How many more precious points do we need to throw away before the board take the necessary action ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 23, 2017 20:44:28 GMT
He's the highest paid member of the board at an eye watering £934,000 a year. Nearly a million a year paid to Scholes......good grief! I'd at least want someone with just a smidgeon of charisma for that fee, instead of a glorified bean counter with all the personality of a dead pigeon. Deservedly leaves his performance wide open to the deepest of scrutiny doesn't it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 23, 2017 20:52:15 GMT
Well, as I've said, in my opinion, when everybody has been fit we've played some decent stuff and looked a lot more solid. It's not the easiest run of fixtures coming up, with 3 away matches in the next 4. I think 5 points would be a decent return, with a win and a couple of draws. And we will be in the mix - along with Palace, Bournemouth, Everton, West Ham, Swansea, Huddersfield, Leicester, West Brom, Brighton and Southampton. That's assuming that Burnley, Newcastle and Watford keep up their good recent form, or they'll also be in the mix with the rest of us. Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester, Brighton, Palace really is a kinder run of games than we started the season with. Surely, coming a cropper in those must set alarm bells off? It's not just the results either, but the manner of them. If we'd played well on Saturday, if we'd battered them and they'd just had two lucky shots, if we'd played as we did even earlier this season, I don't think there'd be this much soul-searching and wringing of hands. But we looked every bit the turgid mess we have for much of the last two years. Slow. Disorganised. Devoid of ideas. The tactics change, the formations change, the personnel changes, but the same problems remain and in some areas are getting worse. That's not a good sign and it's hard to trust him to put it right when he has been pretty much a disaster in the transfer market since the summer of 2015, both in terms of who he has brought in and the positions neglected. Spot on. I actually thought we'd get at least 8 points from those 5 matches, but that included a victory against Bournemouth! It's come to something that I would be quite happy with 6 points from the remaining 4 matches. That's how much confidence I have at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:01:57 GMT
Spot on. Some on here have no idea what it's like to be shit in the lower leagues. I'm Afraid that's flawed , I was at Wigan , reading , oxford , and Swindon for some of our lowest moments , and have never been as frustrated as now as golden opportunities are squandered summer after summer . imagine this squad in the championship without Shaq , Butland Allen ,Zouma and Diouf all of whom would get places elsewhere , we are staring very complacently down a long exile , last summer being the modern era equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand this time totally self inflicted . That is your best post for a long time and I didn't need a translator. Well done
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 23, 2017 21:06:08 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2017 21:12:00 GMT
The idea that a 7-2 thrashing would inevitably cause the players to react with fight/determination in the next game is probably wishful thinking. Much more likely that confidence would be affected amongst the players and tension would also spread to the supporters, an unexpected win in the next few games could be a massive boost to confidence though. So what would make them want to fight and prove a point?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2017 21:13:46 GMT
On the one hand, we've got four winnable games coming up. On the other hand, at the end of the season, there's a possibility that we might regret having kept Hughes in place to lose those games. Having said all of that, I highly doubt that his job is in danger, and I don't think that we'll go down. Im not sure I'd class Watford as winnable, they look a very good team this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:13:59 GMT
Spot on, big 4 fixtures coming up... Winnable and no excuses if we don't show up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:18:47 GMT
These are the telling lines from the piece.
“It did surprise me because I thought we would come out on the front foot . We were at home and after a bad result the week before you expect a reaction, but I didn’t see it.
“We were much better second half, but in my experience if you concede two goals you very rarely win football matches.”
My guess is behind closed doors he is absolutely furious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:23:22 GMT
These are the telling lines from the piece. “It did surprise me because I thought we would come out on the front foot . We were at home and after a bad result the week before you expect a reaction, but I didn’t see it.
“We were much better second half, but in my experience if you concede two goals you very rarely win football matches.”My guess is behind closed doors he is absolutely furious. He better be. If he isn't there is something seriously wrong.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2017 21:27:58 GMT
The idea that a 7-2 thrashing would inevitably cause the players to react with fight/determination in the next game is probably wishful thinking. Much more likely that confidence would be affected amongst the players and tension would also spread to the supporters, an unexpected win in the next few games could be a massive boost to confidence though. So what would make them want to fight and prove a point? You don't get out of a poor run by building the pressure up on the players and manager, as in fact Peter Coates is doing in his remarks to the Sentinel. You do what Ryan said Hughes did after the City thrashing, you try to reassure the players and build their confidence back up. Stoke have good players who can't quite gel as a team yet, it's time for the Chairman and supporters to get behind the team and this continual slagging off of Hughes and certain players on the Oatcake is not the way to improve results. This is just my opinion of course and I could be totally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 22:01:07 GMT
I must be the only one on here but I fully back Hughes right now.
Every team has a off day and we didn't play well enough to get anything on Saturday. We aren't in the middle of the season, it is still early.
16 games in and if we are still not improving, then I would question what is going on, we are a mid table team I don't know what people want.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2017 22:05:07 GMT
So what would make them want to fight and prove a point? You don't get out of a poor run by building the pressure up on the players and manager, as in fact Peter Coates is doing in his remarks to the Sentinel. You do what Ryan said Hughes did after the City thrashing, you try to reassure the players and build their confidence back up. Stoke have good players who can't quite gel as a team yet, it's time for the Chairman and supporters to get behind the team and this continual slagging off of Hughes and certain players on the Oatcake is not the way to improve results. This is just my opinion of course and I could be totally wrong. But you'd have thought getting a massively embarrassing spanking would get them riled and up for it, worrying if even that doesn't do it.
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Post by lordb on Oct 23, 2017 22:06:01 GMT
Can't be any doubt that Hughes is on a shaky peg.
In which case Coates has to have replacements in mind, sounding out candidates must be going on.
However with the Everton job open we are a distant second choice for managers and probably behind Leicester too.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Oct 23, 2017 22:12:23 GMT
I must be the only one on here but I fully back Hughes right now. Every team has a off day and we didn't play well enough to get anything on Saturday. We aren't in the middle of the season, it is still early. 16 games in and if we are still not improving, then I would question what is going on, we are a mid table team I don't know what people want. That's a very reasoned and sensible view, apart from the previous 1i months decline that has led us to the situation we have found ourselves in. If we'd had a really strong end to last season and we were talking about three poot performances i would agreed. Saturday we needed tk ckme out with purpose and take the game to Bournemouth and put them under pressure. Instead we got Inciped suite. Saturday was the last straw for me. How many times over the last three years have we given shit teams a 2-0 lead at home. Mark seems to be the Gary Barlow of football management, I can see him in the dressing room now "that was faaaaantastic"
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2017 22:25:53 GMT
I must be the only one on here but I fully back Hughes right now. Every team has a off day and we didn't play well enough to get anything on Saturday. We aren't in the middle of the season, it is still early. 16 games in and if we are still not improving, then I would question what is going on, we are a mid table team I don't know what people want. How many off days do they get. theres already been a few, the Man City spanking was coming, we were lucky it wasn't Newcastle.
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Post by Gods on Oct 23, 2017 22:44:18 GMT
I must be the only one on here but I fully back Hughes right now. Every team has a off day and we didn't play well enough to get anything on Saturday. We aren't in the middle of the season, it is still early. 16 games in and if we are still not improving, then I would question what is going on, we are a mid table team I don't know what people want.
Well, we're only a mid-table team if we are sitting in mid-table not in the relegation places as we were on Saturday evening, and it's not that early, we are a quarter of the way through the campaign.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 23, 2017 22:58:33 GMT
I must be the only one on here but I fully back Hughes right now. Every team has a off day and we didn't play well enough to get anything on Saturday. We aren't in the middle of the season, it is still early. 16 games in and if we are still not improving, then I would question what is going on, we are a mid table team I don't know what people want.
Well, we're only a mid-table team if we are sitting in mid-table not in the relegation places as we were on Saturday evening, and it's not that early, we are a quarter of the way through the campaign. It's always "next window" or "next season", isn't it? The complacency of this club is unbelievable. What do we want? A club that at least tries to compete and improve would suffice. I don't expect to challenge for the title or Europe, I would be happy with anything from 8th to 14th as long as we show some intent in the transfer market. We aren't even fucking trying. I have criticised Hughes, but he has been hamstrung at times (especially early in his tenure). I don't know who is responsible for our transfer policy, but it's haphazard and utterly clueless. When reasonable posters like Werrington and Toxic are questioning it, you know something is amiss. So tired of this "mustn't grumble" bullshit.
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Post by mozzer on Oct 23, 2017 23:12:36 GMT
I must be the only one on here but I fully back Hughes right now. Every team has a off day and we didn't play well enough to get anything on Saturday. We aren't in the middle of the season, it is still early. 16 games in and if we are still not improving, then I would question what is going on, we are a mid table team I don't know what people want. The problem is Ben the off day has lasted from Feb 2015 just after we played the best football I had ever seen us play over that Christmas period, we lost to Liverpool in the semi of the league cup again giving a fantastic performance after the shocking home leg surrender and other than that it has been the most boring dog shit performances since. It is not about losing its the manner we lose, we have no right to win man city, but let's have some pride 7 fucking 2, we have no right to beat Bristol city but let's play with a formation the team understands and have some fight and some pride, we have no right to beat newly promoted nufc or lowly cheating Bournemouth but install in me that we lost because although we gave it our best shot and was ready to die for the shirt they beat us cause they were better than us...which in all fairness they were, cause we are clueless Stop burying your head and look at the bigger picture, i am not advocating sacking him but something drastic has to change and quickly, new coaches, new tactics, a better transfer policy. Make no bones about it, this pile of shit we find our selves in is not a quick fix, this will take weeks possibly months to get right, unfortunately that may just be too late to save our season, fingers crossed they can
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Post by Sfance on Oct 23, 2017 23:17:00 GMT
At this point it's time to start pointing the finger of blame at Coates. Hughes' incompetence has been apparent for so long now that you almost can't blame him any more. He's utterly clueless and appears to be perfectly comfortable with that. Since you have to assume that given the money involved, Coates really doesn't want to go back down to the championship, or if he no longer gives a shit, that his children don't want to go down to the championship, the only issue is how long do they continue to stick. I'm thinking not much longer. We're going to get shellacked at Watford - who must be slavering at the prospect of playing us, and after that, three dog-fight games. Lose at Watford and then lose to Leicester, and Coates HAS TO bring someone new in and it almost doesn't matter who.
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Post by hanibal7 on Oct 23, 2017 23:24:34 GMT
I'm Afraid that's flawed , I was at Wigan , reading , oxford , and Swindon for some of our lowest moments , and have never been as frustrated as now as golden opportunities are squandered summer after summer . imagine this squad in the championship without Shaq , Butland Allen ,Zouma and Diouf all of whom would get places elsewhere , we are staring very complacently down a long exile , last summer being the modern era equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand this time totally self inflicted . That is your best post for a long time and I didn't need a translator. Well done His mum wrote it.
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 23, 2017 23:45:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 23:50:30 GMT
I can understand fully what you guys are saying
Let's hope we turn it around
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Post by boothenboys1863 on Oct 24, 2017 0:30:00 GMT
It's a peculiar sentence. We have NEVER been in the bottom three when the season ended under Hughes. But everything else that he says makes perfect good sense and is true to the policies employed by the board. It's just too bad for some people's blood pressure that they worry over a couple of bad defeats in October, when to my knowledge no team has ever been relegated. It's not the defeats, it's the manner of the defeats. Bristol City, Bournemouth, just no fight in them. This! I was saying exactly the same thing Saturday night.. it’s not just the loosing I’ve been going stoke for 23 years. I can cope although it still hurts but I can get by when we loose. I’m used to it! But when there’s no passion or fight it’s fucking gutting to watch, if every player could honestly come off the pitch and say I’ve give 110% today and we as fans agreed I could accept loosing, because I’d feel we’re all in it together. But honestly not 1 player ever looks like they’ve literally given it their all. Now for me, I know Hughes can’t exactly tell players to run he shouldn’t have to they’re footballers. But he should motivate them enough to make them want to put it in and work hard. He clearly doesn’t do that! This shit at the minute is so embarrassing to watch and has been for the past 2 years. Mark Hughes has ripped the soul out of my football club, I’ve lost a passion for them I’ve lost the will to get behind them and I’ve certainly lost touch with the players. As a fan we all like to think from the very top down to us fans we are all one unit. But I feel as though it’s the board and the manager together, then the players in a separate group and then us, the fans! He’s completely ripped the soul out of us!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 2:32:37 GMT
It's not the defeats, it's the manner of the defeats. Bristol City, Bournemouth, just no fight in them. This! I was saying exactly the same thing Saturday night.. it’s not just the loosing I’ve been going stoke for 23 years. I can cope although it still hurts but I can get by when we loose. I’m used to it! But when there’s no passion or fight it’s fucking gutting to watch, if every player could honestly come off the pitch and say I’ve give 110% today and we as fans agreed I could accept loosing, because I’d feel we’re all in it together. But honestly not 1 player ever looks like they’ve literally given it their all. Now for me, I know Hughes can’t exactly tell players to run he shouldn’t have to they’re footballers. But he should motivate them enough to make them want to put it in and work hard. He clearly doesn’t do that! This shit at the minute is so embarrassing to watch and has been for the past 2 years. Mark Hughes has ripped the soul out of my football club, I’ve lost a passion for them I’ve lost the will to get behind them and I’ve certainly lost touch with the players. As a fan we all like to think from the very top down to us fans we are all one unit. But I feel as though it’s the board and the manager together, then the players in a separate group and then us, the fans! He’s completely ripped the soul out of us! A lot of that is just like any prem club. Even Cardiff had their soul ripped out until Warnock gave them a bit of pride back. Sadly it's all over football culture now. The fans aren't a big part of the clubs. It's just money and entertainment, and all about 13 year old Abdul from Malaysia tweeting about Arsenal and 52 year old Ranjit from Islamabad buying a knock off Man City shirt.
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Post by s7oke on Oct 24, 2017 3:51:42 GMT
So what would make them want to fight and prove a point? You don't get out of a poor run by building the pressure up on the players and manager, as in fact Peter Coates is doing in his remarks to the Sentinel. You do what Ryan said Hughes did after the City thrashing, you try to reassure the players and build their confidence back up. Stoke have good players who can't quite gel as a team yet, it's time for the Chairman and supporters to get behind the team and this continual slagging off of Hughes and certain players on the Oatcake is not the way to improve results. This is just my opinion of course and I could be totally wrong. To change results we need to change the system !!! If the manager can’t do that ( because it’s so obvious that it isn’t working) He has to go !!!! Sorry but that’s it!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 24, 2017 5:25:00 GMT
Not a lot of confidence is it? (Just that I can't see the bloody Sentivale link properly)
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Oct 24, 2017 6:41:53 GMT
Lose the next match and I think Coates could act first time I've thought it, there's not enough depth in the squad if someone is out of form there probably still going play who's going challenge them?
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