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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 20:33:11 GMT
It would be an all time record swing for Starmer to win a majority. Arguably it would be the most impressive election result of any party ever to do it. It is a nonsense as FPTP means everyone goes back to labour or tory. You were taking the piss oggy right? Especially following it up with this subsequent post. Or were you being serious? Taking the piss about what? In 2019 the tories got 365 seats to labour’s 202. It would be a monumental turnaround for Labour to win a majority. A record swing: www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-labour-would-need-record-vote-swing-win-majority-research-shows-2024-01-16/Other (including Greens) won’t get a quarter of the votes at the GE I doubt. At the 2019 GE, Tory, Labour and lib dems got 87.3% of votes. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 22:10:21 GMT
Sorry for disagreeing Oggy - I hope my views don't offend and appreciate your replies. Don’t apologise for disagreeing! Life would be so dull if we all agreed. |
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Post by mrcoke on May 3, 2024 22:18:35 GMT
1. The UK left the EU in 2020.
In 2020 food inflation was negative, food prices dropped when the UK left the EU.
tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/food-inflationThen Russia invaded Ukraine the "bread basket" of Europe supplying huge quantities of cereals and sunflower seeds which are used in a vast amount of processed foods and world food prices rocketed. The costs of checking imports is minimal, see Brexit thread, and should be done to protect British consumers 2. It also restores a level playing field for British farmers who have had to contend with subsidised imports from the EU.
The timing of introducing checks is to coincide with dropping food inflation which is already less than some EU countries, and falling fast as we come into summer. This is a step in the right direction towards greater food self sufficiency. Buy British and support British farmers. A lot of EU food comes from Ireland and there are no checks (yet) on imports from Ireland. 1. Subjective again Mr Coke, the UK left the EU in the period which coincided exactly with Covid and Food Inflation fell marginally from 1.4% to -0.4%. You fail to mention the Food Inflation spike of 4% immediately after Referendum in your link. 2. So what you are saying is that UK Farmers are at a disadvantage to EU Farmers who receive Subsidies under CAP 2 versus what UK Farmers receive in Subsidies from UK Government Replacement ELMS. You have previously maintained that ELMS was better than CAP 2, both of these contradictionary positions can't be true, which is it you believe? Overall you again miss the main point, the number 1 of 15 pledges Vote Leave made was Trade with the EU will be tariff-free and involve minimal bureaucracy. Now it is expected that Politicians will lie but to have virtually all pledges to be bogus is some achievement, I say virtually because VAT was removed from Sanitary Products You also seem to overlook that Inflation is Cumulative and Additive and while the latest additional costs to be passed on to the Consumer is not massive it will have an added effect on prices and availability of certain products and scarcity of others. As per usual the poorest in Society suffer the most as they spend more as a percentage of their income on Food thus they will search for cheaper products and consume less continuing the downward physical and mental health spiral. 1. UK food inflation rose to a peak of 4.1% in November 2017, which is not as you stated " immediately after Referendum" that was in June 2016, 17 months earlier. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/food-inflationSo there is no relevance in food inflation peaking in November 2017.No more relevance than German food inflation peaking at a higher 4.6% and Italy 3.8% in February 2017; 9 months before the UK peak in prices. tradingeconomics.com/germany/food-inflationtradingeconomics.com/italy/food-inflationThere were also peaks in food inflation in other countries, namely the Netherlands 4.9% from July to October 2019. tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/food-inflation That is higher and longer than the UK's peak in inflation in 2017. Spain 4% April 2020. tradingeconomics.com/spain/food-inflationFood prices are driven primarily by the weather and harvest in each country directly impacting on domestic production, and, as the UK found last year being a high importer, by weather in the country of food origin. It has little to do with the value of currency and nothing to do with Brexit. Brexit food import controls are now belatedly only being introduced this month. I put it to you that UK food prices increased in the period after the 2016 referendum because of the inflation of EU food prices and world food prices (from their low point January 2016) which were passed on to the UK. tradingeconomics.com/world/food-price-indexI concur that inflation is cumulative. UK food inflation was actually negative at the time of the referendum, and had been for two years, so food prices were relatively low in 2016. Consequently any subsequent increase in prices would be manifested as a larger % increase, although actual prices were still relatively low. Furthermore, UK food inflation was negative for 11 months prior to the rapid escalation from August 2021. Again causing subsequent price rises to be expressed as a higher percentage. UK food prices deflated from September 2020 to July 2021. I put it to you that deflation is also cumulative. None of the EU countries experienced such a long run of food price deflation as the UK. www.statista.com/statistics/537050/uk-inflation-rate-food-in-united-kingdom/What really matters to the poorest in society is not the rate of food inflation but what food prices actually are. In December 2022 Germany had the highest food inflation rate of the G7 nations. However, Potteringgermany correctly pointed out in February 2023 on the Brexit thread that the overall costs of groceries are lower in Germany than they are in the UK. You responded to his/her post by stating " Germany imports 80% of its food mainly from Netherlands, Spain and Italy formerly Cereals and Sunflower Oil from Ukraine". Clearly those countries that import a high proportion of their food are liable to higher inflation as they are not only subject to the price inflation of the producing country, but also the inflation of the costs of transport, which have increased very significantly since the invasion of Ukraine. All the above comparison of inflation and prices passes over the largest food producer in Europe, France, which holds the dominant position in European food production, accounting for c.17% of EU agricultural production. France receives a total of €9billion pa in EU subsidies under the CAP, the largest share of all EU member states. France is the only European country deemed to be self-sufficient in food. In fact France claims sovereignty over food and its Ministry of Agriculture is called the “Ministry of Agriculture and Food Sovereignty”. French farmers wield a lot of political power. The French government has been determining agricultural policies jointly with France’s biggest farmers union FNSEA for the past 50 years—it is called ‘agricultural exceptionalism". Many local French politicians are farmers Client Earth and CollectifNouri have filed a case in the ECJ, after they claim the EC unlawfully approved France’s national agriculture plan under the CAP. Despite all these apparent advantages that France enjoys in terms of food, " Overall, grocery shopping in France is expensive compared to many other countries. Compared to other European countries, prices in France are 11% higher for everyday food products and 20% higher for fruits and vegetables". housinganywhere.com/France/cost-of-living-franceI covered this topic on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread under the heading: Why is UK inflation still high? I repeat what I posted then: A study of food inflation by the BBC of 6 major European countries published in June, indicated that whilst Germany has consistently had one of the highest food inflation rates in the past 12 months, actual German prices was the lowest. Conversely in their report, France had the highest cost of the "shopping basket" of items. The BBC report suggest that France’s love of protectionist policies - keeping consumer prices high to “protect” producers - is the reason why a combined shopping basket of 23 goods is £15.85 higher than in the UK. The UK was middle of the group. A wider survey by Oxford Economics, found UK actual food costs were about 7% below the EU average. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65833619To summarise: UK and German food inflation has been higher, but that is because the impact of world prices and other inflationary impacts such as energy are greater when prices are lower. According to the BBC survey, the UK's poorest in society suffer less in terms of food prices than most of Europe, where food costs are on average higher than the UK. 2. I am saying UK farmers have been disadvantaged by the food import controls on food they export to the EU, whilst UK farmers have had to compete with imports from the EU without controls due to the dilatory progress the Tory government is making in introducing much needed controls. So we are right still to debate this issue on this thread rather than the Brexit thread. [Apologies for interrupting the banter on the election results.] As to comparing farming subsidies, I have much greater confidence in a UK government (of any political party) setting the rules for UK farmers, than rules imposed by the EC in Brussels. The CAP is the ruination of small farmers and the EU's natural habitat. About 80% of the EU farming budget goes to roughly 20% of farmers – the biggest and richest. The average EU farmer makes more out of subsidies than out of agriculture. Between 2005 and 2020, the number of farms in the EU decreased by almost 40%, forcing approximately 5.3 million farmers out of business. www.birdlife.org/news/2024/02/01/the-real-deal-behind-europes-farmer-protests/The CAP is about protection of EU agriculture from foreign competition, support for intensive farming that largely goes to the largest richest producers, damage to the environment, and huge overproduction leading to paying EU farmers to destroy crops and dump excess production on other countries. The UK Agriculture Act 2020 aims to reward farmers with tax payers money for “public goods” – such as better air and water quality, thriving wildlife, soil health, and measures to reduce flooding and tackle the effects of climate change. It phases out the Basic Payment Scheme subsidy system (over 7 years from 2021), which largely pays farmers for the total amount of land farmed and benefits the largest landowners, rather than rewarding farmers for any specific public benefits. Naturally the richest farmers are squealing. |
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Post by Gawa on May 4, 2024 10:16:52 GMT
Seems to be alot of people predicting a tory win in london mayor election now.
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Post by Gawa on May 4, 2024 15:14:40 GMT
Seems to be alot of people predicting a tory win in london mayor election now. And they were very much wrong too. Well done Khan: Seems tories change from STV to FPTP hasn't really benefited them. |
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Post by elystokie on May 4, 2024 15:18:23 GMT
Seems to be alot of people predicting a tory win in london mayor election now. And they were very much wrong too. Well done Khan: Seems tories change from STV to FPTP hasn't really benefited them. Pretty poor show when you cheat and still can't win 😀 'Things you love to see..' |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 4, 2024 15:27:35 GMT
It was never in doubt I think everyone knew that. Susan Hall was a ridiculous choice.
In the recent question time the Greens leader was head and shoulders the most impressive candidate.
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Post by superjw on May 4, 2024 16:37:18 GMT
Would have thought more people would have turned up to vote tbh
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 16:39:55 GMT
Seems to be alot of people predicting a tory win in london mayor election now. And they were very much wrong too. Well done Khan: Seems tories change from STV to FPTP hasn't really benefited them. Count Binface beat Britain First. |
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Post by Gawa on May 4, 2024 19:30:16 GMT
Bias corbyn post coming in.
I think one huge difference maker which nobody discusses when it comes to comparing Corbyn and Starmer is the Reform/UKIP effect.
- In 2015 & 2016 Local Elections Farages UKIP took 13% and 12% of vote.
- In 2015 GE under Farage, UKIP contested nearly every seat and took 12.8% of the vote.
- In 2017 GE Farage wasn't leader, they contested nearly half the seats and took 1.8% of the vote.
- In 2019 GE Reform/UKIP contested around 70 less seats than 2017 and took 2.1% of the vote.
- From 2017 to 2019 Ukip took 5%, 1.4%, 4% of vote
- Now all of a sudden Reform are polling at 15% for the next General Election.
Basically pre Corbyn years there was a right wing alternative contesting most seats and taking 12%-13% of the vote share.
Then during the corbyn years they contested significantly less seats not splting the vote and always taking less than 5%.
Now Starmers about to face his first GE and Reform are polling at 15% with intent to contest most seats.
Had there been a viable right wing alternative with ambition to contest seats and campaign then Corbyn would have performed much better at Elections.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 4, 2024 19:37:22 GMT
And they were very much wrong too. Well done Khan: Seems tories change from STV to FPTP hasn't really benefited them. Count Binface beat Britain First.
Puts into context, what Londoners actually think about such dreadful rhetoric from the right.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 19:42:42 GMT
Bias corbyn post coming in. I think one huge difference maker which nobody discusses when it comes to comparing Corbyn and Starmer is the Reform/UKIP effect. - In 2015 & 2016 Local Elections Farages UKIP took 13% and 12% of vote. - In 2015 GE under Farage, UKIP contested nearly every seat and took 12.8% of the vote. - In 2017 GE Farage wasn't leader, they contested nearly half the seats and took 1.8% of the vote. - In 2019 GE Reform/UKIP contested around 70 less seats than 2017 and took 2.1% of the vote. - From 2017 to 2019 Ukip took 5%, 1.4%, 4% of vote - Now all of a sudden Reform are polling at 15% for the next General Election. Basically pre Corbyn years there was a right wing alternative contesting most seats and taking 12%-13% of the vote share. Then during the corbyn years they contested significantly less seats not splting the vote and always taking less than 5%. Now Starmers about to face his first GE and Reform are polling at 15% with intent to contest most seats. Had there been a viable right wing alternative with ambition to contest seats and campaign then Corbyn would have performed much better at Elections. Fair points. But Labour just hammered the Tories in these elections, and Reform/Ukip/Brexit Party were almost nowhere to be seen. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 4, 2024 20:40:13 GMT
This is what happens when you bet the house on Rwanda and an assumption made from the disinformation spread from the Uxbridge by-election.
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Post by desman2 on May 4, 2024 20:48:55 GMT
Loving reading this thread today. It just shows the mindset of a lot of people when it comes to elections.
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Post by Gawa on May 4, 2024 21:49:26 GMT
This is what happens when you bet the house on Rwanda and an assumption made from the disinformation spread from the Uxbridge by-election. To be fair I think Reform only stood a few hundred candidates or maybe even less than that. So it's not really 2 out of 2500. Their vote share may influence others to vote them come the GE. Especially if they unleash the Farage factor. I don't understand the levels of publicity they get though. Workers Party and Green party both have more MPs and councillors but don't seem to get as much coverage. Workers aren't even included in opinion polls but reform are. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 4, 2024 21:59:21 GMT
This is what happens when you bet the house on Rwanda and an assumption made from the disinformation spread from the Uxbridge by-election. To be fair I think Reform only stood a few hundred candidates or maybe even less than that. So it's not really 2 out of 2500. Their vote share may influence others to vote them come the GE. Especially if they unleash the Farage factor. I don't understand the levels of publicity they get though. Workers Party and Green party both have more MPs and councillors but don't seem to get as much coverage. Workers aren't even included in opinion polls but reform are. I mean this with absolutely no offence to you in anyway, so please do not take this as a dig, but I couldn't give a flying **** about Reform or whatever it is that Galloway is pretending he's representing. Both are small potatoes vying for votes on singular (important) issues; the country is in dire straits in almost every department of Government so I am much more interested in the state of the parties that have a chance of governing. |
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Post by Gawa on May 4, 2024 22:05:52 GMT
To be fair I think Reform only stood a few hundred candidates or maybe even less than that. So it's not really 2 out of 2500. Their vote share may influence others to vote them come the GE. Especially if they unleash the Farage factor. I don't understand the levels of publicity they get though. Workers Party and Green party both have more MPs and councillors but don't seem to get as much coverage. Workers aren't even included in opinion polls but reform are. I mean this with absolutely no offence to you in anyway, so please do not take this as a dig, but I couldn't give a flying **** about Reform or whatever it is that Galloway is pretending he's representing. Both are small potatoes vying for votes on singular (important) issues; the country is in dire straits in almost every department of Government so I am much more interested in the state of the parties that have a chance of governing. None taken. I thought you were taking about Reform because of the tweet mentioning them! But presume you were focusing more on the green stuff referenced and Rwanda rather than Reform specifically. |
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Post by essexstokey on May 4, 2024 22:20:14 GMT
10 out of 11 ain't bad
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Post by wannabee on May 5, 2024 1:02:02 GMT
Things you love to see © Bianco
As hard as he tried Andy Street was unable to disassociate himself far enough from the Toxic Conservative Brand to win a third term
It's hard to see anyone willingly challenge Rishi to lead the Conservatives towards inevitable slaughter at the next GE
As disgruntled Conservative voters reluctantly accept the reality I can see enough of them switching to Reform to possibly persuade Nige to enter the fray for the 8th time but potentially it may damage his "Brand" and Revenue Stream with another ignoble failure
The "One Trick Pony" Policy of "Stopping the Boats" which is a serious issue, but which no-one believes Rwanda is the solution, has no chance of Electoral success while the Economy and Public Service's are falling apart.
Conservative reverses in the Brexit Strongholds of Blackpool South, Hartlepool and Thurrock, Rushmore, Redditch etc demonstrate that nobody believes in the Sunlit Uplands vision anymore
For now Labour are content in pursuing the "Never interfere with your Enemy while they are Fucking Up" Strategy. It hardly matters what the Labour Manifesto will contain, expectations are low, but whatever drivel the Conservatives proffer will be treated with distain. What does matter of course is that when Elected Labour go about their business with a modicum of competence and integrity without infighting, something sadly absent for the last 14 years
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 5, 2024 1:21:11 GMT
Conservative reverses in the Brexit Strongholds of Blackpool South, Hartlepool and Thurrock, Rushmore, Redditch etc demonstrate that nobody believes in the Sunlit Uplands vision anymore.
Absolutely.
And I think it's actually more than not believing in Johnson's 'Sunlit Uplands' anymore but rather, it's realising that the working class has been taken for a ride, yet again and the Tories treachery isn't going to be forgotten ...
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2024 2:01:52 GMT
Conservative reverses in the Brexit Strongholds of Blackpool South, Hartlepool and Thurrock, Rushmore, Redditch etc demonstrate that nobody believes in the Sunlit Uplands vision anymore.
Absolutely.
And I think it's actually more than not believing in Johnson's 'Sunlit Uplands' anymore but rather, it's realising that the working class has been taken for a ride, yet again and the Tories treachery isn't going to be forgotten ...
It’ll be forgotten in an election or so. They’ll blur the lines of the truth (outright lie) and be back before you know it. |
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Post by wannabee on May 5, 2024 2:02:50 GMT
1. Subjective again Mr Coke, the UK left the EU in the period which coincided exactly with Covid and Food Inflation fell marginally from 1.4% to -0.4%. You fail to mention the Food Inflation spike of 4% immediately after Referendum in your link. 2. So what you are saying is that UK Farmers are at a disadvantage to EU Farmers who receive Subsidies under CAP 2 versus what UK Farmers receive in Subsidies from UK Government Replacement ELMS. You have previously maintained that ELMS was better than CAP 2, both of these contradictionary positions can't be true, which is it you believe? Overall you again miss the main point, the number 1 of 15 pledges Vote Leave made was Trade with the EU will be tariff-free and involve minimal bureaucracy. Now it is expected that Politicians will lie but to have virtually all pledges to be bogus is some achievement, I say virtually because VAT was removed from Sanitary Products You also seem to overlook that Inflation is Cumulative and Additive and while the latest additional costs to be passed on to the Consumer is not massive it will have an added effect on prices and availability of certain products and scarcity of others. As per usual the poorest in Society suffer the most as they spend more as a percentage of their income on Food thus they will search for cheaper products and consume less continuing the downward physical and mental health spiral. 1. UK food inflation rose to a peak of 4.1% in November 2017, which is not as you stated " immediately after Referendum" that was in June 2016, 17 months earlier. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/food-inflationSo there is no relevance in food inflation peaking in November 2017.No more relevance than German food inflation peaking at a higher 4.6% and Italy 3.8% in February 2017; 9 months before the UK peak in prices. tradingeconomics.com/germany/food-inflationtradingeconomics.com/italy/food-inflationThere were also peaks in food inflation in other countries, namely the Netherlands 4.9% from July to October 2019. tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/food-inflation That is higher and longer than the UK's peak in inflation in 2017. Spain 4% April 2020. tradingeconomics.com/spain/food-inflationFood prices are driven primarily by the weather and harvest in each country directly impacting on domestic production, and, as the UK found last year being a high importer, by weather in the country of food origin. It has little to do with the value of currency and nothing to do with Brexit. Brexit food import controls are now belatedly only being introduced this month. I put it to you that UK food prices increased in the period after the 2016 referendum because of the inflation of EU food prices and world food prices (from their low point January 2016) which were passed on to the UK. tradingeconomics.com/world/food-price-indexI concur that inflation is cumulative. UK food inflation was actually negative at the time of the referendum, and had been for two years, so food prices were relatively low in 2016. Consequently any subsequent increase in prices would be manifested as a larger % increase, although actual prices were still relatively low. Furthermore, UK food inflation was negative for 11 months prior to the rapid escalation from August 2021. Again causing subsequent price rises to be expressed as a higher percentage. UK food prices deflated from September 2020 to July 2021. I put it to you that deflation is also cumulative. None of the EU countries experienced such a long run of food price deflation as the UK. www.statista.com/statistics/537050/uk-inflation-rate-food-in-united-kingdom/What really matters to the poorest in society is not the rate of food inflation but what food prices actually are. In December 2022 Germany had the highest food inflation rate of the G7 nations. However, Potteringgermany correctly pointed out in February 2023 on the Brexit thread that the overall costs of groceries are lower in Germany than they are in the UK. You responded to his/her post by stating " Germany imports 80% of its food mainly from Netherlands, Spain and Italy formerly Cereals and Sunflower Oil from Ukraine". Clearly those countries that import a high proportion of their food are liable to higher inflation as they are not only subject to the price inflation of the producing country, but also the inflation of the costs of transport, which have increased very significantly since the invasion of Ukraine. All the above comparison of inflation and prices passes over the largest food producer in Europe, France, which holds the dominant position in European food production, accounting for c.17% of EU agricultural production. France receives a total of €9billion pa in EU subsidies under the CAP, the largest share of all EU member states. France is the only European country deemed to be self-sufficient in food. In fact France claims sovereignty over food and its Ministry of Agriculture is called the “Ministry of Agriculture and Food Sovereignty”. French farmers wield a lot of political power. The French government has been determining agricultural policies jointly with France’s biggest farmers union FNSEA for the past 50 years—it is called ‘agricultural exceptionalism". Many local French politicians are farmers Client Earth and CollectifNouri have filed a case in the ECJ, after they claim the EC unlawfully approved France’s national agriculture plan under the CAP. Despite all these apparent advantages that France enjoys in terms of food, " Overall, grocery shopping in France is expensive compared to many other countries. Compared to other European countries, prices in France are 11% higher for everyday food products and 20% higher for fruits and vegetables". housinganywhere.com/France/cost-of-living-franceI covered this topic on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread under the heading: Why is UK inflation still high? I repeat what I posted then: A study of food inflation by the BBC of 6 major European countries published in June, indicated that whilst Germany has consistently had one of the highest food inflation rates in the past 12 months, actual German prices was the lowest. Conversely in their report, France had the highest cost of the "shopping basket" of items. The BBC report suggest that France’s love of protectionist policies - keeping consumer prices high to “protect” producers - is the reason why a combined shopping basket of 23 goods is £15.85 higher than in the UK. The UK was middle of the group. A wider survey by Oxford Economics, found UK actual food costs were about 7% below the EU average. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65833619To summarise: UK and German food inflation has been higher, but that is because the impact of world prices and other inflationary impacts such as energy are greater when prices are lower. According to the BBC survey, the UK's poorest in society suffer less in terms of food prices than most of Europe, where food costs are on average higher than the UK. 2. I am saying UK farmers have been disadvantaged by the food import controls on food they export to the EU, whilst UK farmers have had to compete with imports from the EU without controls due to the dilatory progress the Tory government is making in introducing much needed controls. So we are right still to debate this issue on this thread rather than the Brexit thread. [Apologies for interrupting the banter on the election results.] As to comparing farming subsidies, I have much greater confidence in a UK government (of any political party) setting the rules for UK farmers, than rules imposed by the EC in Brussels. The CAP is the ruination of small farmers and the EU's natural habitat. About 80% of the EU farming budget goes to roughly 20% of farmers – the biggest and richest. The average EU farmer makes more out of subsidies than out of agriculture. Between 2005 and 2020, the number of farms in the EU decreased by almost 40%, forcing approximately 5.3 million farmers out of business. www.birdlife.org/news/2024/02/01/the-real-deal-behind-europes-farmer-protests/The CAP is about protection of EU agriculture from foreign competition, support for intensive farming that largely goes to the largest richest producers, damage to the environment, and huge overproduction leading to paying EU farmers to destroy crops and dump excess production on other countries. The UK Agriculture Act 2020 aims to reward farmers with tax payers money for “public goods” – such as better air and water quality, thriving wildlife, soil health, and measures to reduce flooding and tackle the effects of climate change. It phases out the Basic Payment Scheme subsidy system (over 7 years from 2021), which largely pays farmers for the total amount of land farmed and benefits the largest landowners, rather than rewarding farmers for any specific public benefits. Naturally the richest farmers are squealing. Inevitably a lot of words which very few address the points I made 1. I accept I should have been clearer when I said "immediately". When UK voted to leave the EU the value of Sterling IMMEDIATELY fell by 12% against the Euro. This caused Imports of Food from EU of which up to 50% is procured to rise. Obviously with Supply Chains and contractual agreements this takes a while to work itself into the system but within 17 months resulted in a 4+% Food Inflation As you have belatedly accepted that inflation is cumulative this 4+% Food Inflation is permanent and nothing to do with any other factors other than the exchange rate between Sterling and Euro. If Sterling recovered to its former Exchange Rate it would alter things, it hasn't. 2. You do realise UK is committed to operating a CAP Payment Scheme until at least 2028???? What has altered is that despite UK Government committing to maintain subsidies to UK Farmers to at least the Level of CAP it has in fact cut the Budget by between 30/40%. This is hardly a surprise to anyone but you might explain how this will help the furtherance towards Food Security. If you haven't already read it I recommend the excellent link Cville provided on Farming and Environmental issues in UK. In particular I'd direct you to the Annex to a HoL Committee Report which very accurately predicted, pre TCA, the shambles and cost Brexit would place on Food Imports via non Tariff Costs from EU. Identified that UK was in no way prepared to implement Import inspections both from an IT or infrastructure perspective, witness the 5 abortive attempts, something EU managed seamlessly from Day 1. And finally identified the obvious solution as recognition and alignment of standards between EU and UK as a solution, obviating unnecessary costs. It's a solution I'm confident the next Labour Government will pursue. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 4:44:10 GMT
In case you need another reason never to vote Tory, here is a monumental one: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/04/spending-cuts-are-often-false-economies-that-end-up-costing-society-dearlyI know every violent crime is now considered Sadiq Khan’s fault from the neanderthals who still support this appalling party, but the Tory policy of austerity has utterly destroyed our economy: Institute for fiscal studies found that violent crime increased by 11% in neighbourhoods where police stations were closed (70% were closed). They found that for each pound “saved”, it raised costs faced by society by £3. By then I guess some tory donor got to buy up lots of prime real estate on the cheap when the police stations were sold. For those idiots who still want to see benefits cut, freezing housing support in line with 2019 rent levels, even as rents soared, drove homelessness to record highs (145,800 children are now in temporary accommodation) leaving some, already stretched, councils seeing their temporary accommodation spend rise by nearly 40% last year. I guess it meant the tories could keep open the tax breaks for their rich friends and family. Not funding social care has meant hospitals cannot get rid of long term patients taking up beds and resources at a high cost to the taxpayer. Voting Tory means you support the above, and the further 13% cuts to some government departments (NHS and schools perhaps?) their spending plans require! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 5, 2024 9:45:44 GMT
"Labour is led by hard left maniacs ..." 😂
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Post by 828492 on May 5, 2024 10:34:22 GMT
"Labour is led by hard left maniacs ..." 😂 Demented woman gives party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2024 10:40:37 GMT
"Labour is led by hard left maniacs ..." 😂 If that’s true about Labour then she’s about one step away from a swastika tramp stamp. Neither are, but it’s fun to exaggerate. |
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Post by elystokie on May 5, 2024 14:42:59 GMT
"Labour is led by hard left maniacs ..." 😂 Leadership change imminent yet again? 😂 If she thinks they'll have any better luck with her in charge she's even more deluded than she looks on that video. She'll be after the pension like Thick Liz 🤔 |
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Post by knype on May 5, 2024 15:46:36 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 5, 2024 16:02:29 GMT
What relevance does that have to this thread mate? |
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Post by knype on May 5, 2024 16:03:42 GMT
What relevance does that have to this thread mate? This is what you're welcoming in |
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