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Post by gawa on Mar 12, 2024 18:32:51 GMT
I must say this Diane abbott debacle is a handy distraction from the fact the tories are releasing criminals early from prison as they have underfunded our justice system so badly for the past 14 years. I don’t think labour would have done the same particularly under Starmer given his career. Another big difference between the parties: the tories release criminals early. Not heard this at all Oggy. Not at all surprised though to see the media try and brush it under the carpet. Wonder if there was a bill which went through the commons on it.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 12, 2024 18:39:31 GMT
I must say this Diane abbott debacle is a handy distraction from the fact the tories are releasing criminals early from prison as they have underfunded our justice system so badly for the past 14 years. I don’t think labour would have done the same particularly under Starmer given his career. Another big difference between the parties: the tories release criminals early. Not heard this at all Oggy. Not at all surprised though to see the media try and brush it under the carpet. Wonder if there was a bill which went through the commons on it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68536845
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2024 19:40:19 GMT
Surely they can't bring in another PM?
Just get the GENERAL election done FFS! 🤦♂️
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2024 21:56:11 GMT
Surely they can't bring in another PM? Just get the GENERAL election done FFS! 🤦♂️ Didn't Jonathan Pie say at that gig about his 7 year old son having had more different Prime Ministers in the first 7 years of his life than Jonathan himself had in the first 40 of his? What a sorry state of affairs these useless twats have created.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 13, 2024 12:16:32 GMT
Can you tell the difference between Starmer and Sunak? So, yes. But my overall point was that Labour will almost certainly win the next election by a landslide and having a small number of Reform mp's would be far more effective and valuable to the right than a larger number of Tory mp's. Let's be honest, the whole reason Reform are causing such a stir is because traditional Conservative and red wall voters don't feel the Tories have addressed their concerns. I still think it's a huge ask for them take more than a couple seats but it's not out the question. Whatever happens, they are in somewhat unprecedented territory and it's incredibly exciting for right of centre voters, totally disaffected who, as Lee Anderson beautifully put yesterday simply "want their country back". Yes the difference is quite clear we have as right wing a government as we get in this country the incoming Labour government are probably going to pretty centrist so way to the left of the current government but no way near left enough If you actually think there is no difference at all then it's impossible to accept what you argue as anything other than trolling which is just really lazy If you think this is a right wing government then I dread to think what you'd think if we actually had a right wing government. Why on earth do you think Reform are gaining so much popularity out of interest if you think the current mob in parliament are right wing? Re the Sunak/Starmer point. I'm glad you can tell the difference because countless Labour supporters on here have suggested that they can't.
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 13, 2024 17:12:00 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 13, 2024 20:18:47 GMT
Which Oatcake poster's missus is this?
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Post by andystokey on Mar 13, 2024 20:49:45 GMT
Not heard this at all Oggy. Not at all surprised though to see the media try and brush it under the carpet. Wonder if there was a bill which went through the commons on it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68536845It would help considerably if middle class magistrates weren't ignoring the law on remand sentences. The remand population is at a record high, with one in five people who are in jail awaiting trial or sentencing, up from one in nine in 2019. " It's a cruel unusual punishment that society demands Innocent till proven guilty, rotting on remand"
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 13, 2024 21:22:03 GMT
Just thinking I know why the tories won't give the money back its because they think they earned as a bribe for all the contracts they gave him
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Post by gawa on Mar 13, 2024 22:26:06 GMT
Which Oatcake poster's missus is this? Probably someone who will be watching it tomorrow night at 7pm while talking pints.
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Post by gawa on Mar 13, 2024 23:17:37 GMT
A brief reminder for our Reform supporters 👀.
Reform candidates have brought more wives back from Rwanda than the government has sent illegal immigrants back. 🤭
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Post by wannabee on Mar 14, 2024 0:04:11 GMT
If it weren't so serious you could laugh at the Government’s Rwanda Policy as some maniacal thing which has taken on its own half-life that has spun so far out of control no-one knows how to stop it. It obviously bad that if it fails utterly, most likely, the UK Taxpayers is on the hook for £370M. If it actually gets off the ground, unlikely, the bill to UK Taxpayers goes up to £500M or £1.8M per Asylum Seeker sent to Rwanda up to the 300 capacity. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/01/rwanda-plan-uk-asylum-seeker-cost-figuresThe latest desperation by Government to show its actually a coherent policy and get ANYONE other than Home Secretary's on a plane to Rwanda is to offer failed Asylum Seekers £3,000 to voluntarily Fuck Off to Rwanda as it knows it can't send them back to their home counties as they are unsafe www.ft.com/content/f2a5b655-0064-4bd3-b91b-d7055d680ddeThere's an old adage about when digging a hole you need to know when to stop digging, clearly this Government has not yet recognised this principle and continue to flush Taxpayers Money down the toilet.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 14, 2024 6:59:12 GMT
If it weren't so serious you could laugh at the Government’s Rwanda Policy as some maniacal thing which has taken on its own half-life that has spun so far out of control no-one knows how to stop it. It obviously bad that if it fails utterly, most likely, the UK Taxpayers is on the hook for £370M. If it actually gets off the ground, unlikely, the bill to UK Taxpayers goes up to £500M or £1.8M per Asylum Seeker sent to Rwanda up to the 300 capacity. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/01/rwanda-plan-uk-asylum-seeker-cost-figuresThe latest desperation by Government to show its actually a coherent policy and get ANYONE other than Home Secretary's on a plane to Rwanda is to offer failed Asylum Seekers £3,000 to voluntarily Fuck Off to Rwanda as it knows it can't send them back to their home counties as they are unsafe www.ft.com/content/f2a5b655-0064-4bd3-b91b-d7055d680ddeThere's an old adage about when digging a hole you need to know when to stop digging, clearly this Government has not yet recognised this principle and continue to flush Taxpayers Money down the toilet. It is something like 14 Rwandans have successfully claimed asylum in the UK because Rwanda is deemed unsafe for them since this policy was first announced. The Rwandan government must be laughing all the way to the bank on this. Since Brexit we have become a complete joke of a nation.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 14, 2024 7:17:30 GMT
Apparently the new definition of extremism will be announced today: “Extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, that aims to: 1 negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others; or 2 undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights; or 3 intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve the results in (1) or (2).”
Brexit negated or destroyed the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. The deemed illegal prorogation of Parliament undermined our system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights, as did the Henry VIII laws from Brexit and the corruption in the covid fast track of cash for fake PPE to Tory mates.
The Tory party biggest funder is racist. They have promoted an ideology based on hatred and intolerance.
Surely the Tory party falls squarely under that definition of extremism?
Also if the tories deem you to be an extremist organisation there is no right if appeal and civil servants and ministers will be banned from associating themselves in any way to those groups.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Mar 14, 2024 8:14:21 GMT
Mr Hester must be shitting himself with this new definition.
I presume that's why the Tories have brought it in. Anyone advocating the shooting of MP's would surely fall under such a category
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Post by 828492 on Mar 14, 2024 8:50:01 GMT
Mr Hester must be shitting himself with this new definition. I presume that's why the Tories have brought it in. Anyone advocating the shooting of MP's would surely fall under such a category Hester has got nothing to worry about. He has got plenty of protection. About £10m of protection
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 14, 2024 8:58:42 GMT
Mr Hester must be shitting himself with this new definition. I presume that's why the Tories have brought it in. Anyone advocating the shooting of MP's would surely fall under such a category I thought advocating shooting black women was only a bit rude?
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Post by 828492 on Mar 14, 2024 9:18:46 GMT
The UK is now the 11th largest manufacturing economy in the world, down from 8th last year. The Business Department (prop K Badenoch) has not made much noise about this latest benefit of Brexit. If only we had an industrial strategy that worked for the benefit of the UK.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 14, 2024 9:20:16 GMT
Mr Hester must be shitting himself with this new definition. I presume that's why the Tories have brought it in. Anyone advocating the shooting of MP's would surely fall under such a category I thought advocating shooting black women was only a bit rude? It’s ok, his apology has been welcomed and accepted by other people so it’s all good…
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 14, 2024 9:20:26 GMT
Apparently the new definition of extremism will be announced today: “Extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, that aims to: 1 negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others; or 2 undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights; or 3 intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve the results in (1) or (2).” Brexit negated or destroyed the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. The deemed illegal prorogation of Parliament undermined our system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights, as did the Henry VIII laws from Brexit and the corruption in the covid fast track of cash for fake PPE to Tory mates. The Tory party biggest funder is racist. They have promoted an ideology based on hatred and intolerance. Surely the Tory party falls squarely under that definition of extremism? Also if the tories deem you to be an extremist organisation there is no right if appeal and civil servants and ministers will be banned from associating themselves in any way to those groups. Wouldn't "Hostile Environment" fall under "ideology based on intolerance"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 10:42:55 GMT
Which Oatcake poster's missus is this? Hopefully, it lasts a very long time. You don’t have to agree on everything in life.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 14, 2024 11:22:37 GMT
Apparently the new definition of extremism will be announced today: “Extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, that aims to: 1 negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others; or 2 undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights; or 3 intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve the results in (1) or (2).” Brexit negated or destroyed the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. The deemed illegal prorogation of Parliament undermined our system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights, as did the Henry VIII laws from Brexit and the corruption in the covid fast track of cash for fake PPE to Tory mates. The Tory party biggest funder is racist. They have promoted an ideology based on hatred and intolerance. Surely the Tory party falls squarely under that definition of extremism? Also if the tories deem you to be an extremist organisation there is no right if appeal and civil servants and ministers will be banned from associating themselves in any way to those groups. Quite right Oggy, this is a further creeping towards Authoritarianism which has been dangerously evident since Johnson Administration took office for the reasons you gave. Those groups that fall foul of this new definition will not have committed a Criminal Act but will be branded as being dangerous extremists with no right of appeal. Good old British Justice eh Guilty if we say so. This is like a Sus Law for the Mind SUT = Stop U Thinking The Government can now determine if what people say is acceptable, this is Newspeak straight out of 1984 By definition critism of the Government could be interpreted as extremism As nothing ever gets rowed back a future even more Authoritarian Administration could and probably will take this even further Say what you like about US and they do end up with Fuckwits as President but if this shit was being pulled over there they would be riots in every City. The absence of a Codified Constitution in UK gives Government huge powers
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 14, 2024 12:10:02 GMT
Apparently the new definition of extremism will be announced today: “Extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, that aims to: 1 negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others; or 2 undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights; or 3 intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve the results in (1) or (2).” Brexit negated or destroyed the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. The deemed illegal prorogation of Parliament undermined our system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights, as did the Henry VIII laws from Brexit and the corruption in the covid fast track of cash for fake PPE to Tory mates. The Tory party biggest funder is racist. They have promoted an ideology based on hatred and intolerance. Surely the Tory party falls squarely under that definition of extremism? Also if the tories deem you to be an extremist organisation there is no right if appeal and civil servants and ministers will be banned from associating themselves in any way to those groups. Wouldn't "Hostile Environment" fall under "ideology based on intolerance"? I think it is ok to hold extremist views under the new definition against foreigners
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Post by gawa on Mar 14, 2024 18:46:43 GMT
Who said striking doesn't work? Westminster has been on strike for 15 years now and despite accepting multiple previous pay offers, they've just got yet another.
Will they finally serve the public and do something useful? Doubt it.
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Post by 828492 on Mar 14, 2024 19:11:29 GMT
Who said striking doesn't work? Westminster has been on strike for 15 years now and despite accepting multiple previous pay offers, they've just got yet another. Will they finally serve the public and do something useful? Doubt it. There is one group paid from the public purse who have managed to keep pay levels more or less up with inflation since 2010. Is it; 1. Nurses? 2. Doctors? 3 Fire fighters? 4. Members of parliament?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 14, 2024 19:27:12 GMT
Who said striking doesn't work? Westminster has been on strike for 15 years now and despite accepting multiple previous pay offers, they've just got yet another. Will they finally serve the public and do something useful? Doubt it. Some will some won't. As of August 2023 90 Conservative MPs brought in approximately £4.75m from second jobs– an increase from nearer to £4m in 2021 (this excludes that piss taker Johnson). Labour, SNP and Lib Dem MPs also indulged but brought in outside income of just over £400,000 between them. If for £90k pa they cannot give their constituents an the country their full attention then they should be booted out of parliament. I mean it's not exactly as if everything is running smoothly is it?
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 14, 2024 20:01:06 GMT
Who said striking doesn't work? Westminster has been on strike for 15 years now and despite accepting multiple previous pay offers, they've just got yet another. Will they finally serve the public and do something useful? Doubt it. Some will some won't. As of August 2023 90 Conservative MPs brought in approximately £4.75m from second jobs– an increase from nearer to £4m in 2021 (this excludes that piss taker Johnson). Labour, SNP and Lib Dem MPs also indulged but brought in outside income of just over £400,000 between them. If for £90k pa they cannot give their constituents an the country their full attention then they should be booted out of parliament. I mean it's not exactly as if everything is running smoothly is it? Most civil servants are paid a lot less and have conditions in their contracts prohibiting second jobs. MPs have more important jobs (in theory at least) but don’t even have to turn up and can have multiple jobs (and therefore multiple conflicts of interests). Regulate MPs. No second jobs. I would mind paying them a bit more if they had to turn up and had to the job they were elected to do rather than second and third jobs.
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Post by gawa on Mar 14, 2024 21:33:54 GMT
The fact most wage increases are based on percentage is an issue in itself too in my opinion. Taking tax out of account and using simple maths:
. 2000:
Person A Wage after tax - £16,000 Person B Wage after tax - £25,000 Person C Wage after tax - £30,000 Average Salary - £23,667 Average Total Expenses - £10,800 Person A Wage after expenses - £5,200 Person B Wage after expenses - £14,200 Person C Wage after expenses - £19,200
2010 (£1 worth £1.31):
Person A Wage after tax - £20,960 Person B Wage after tax - £32,750 Person C Wage after tax - £39,300 Average Salary - £31,003 Average Total Expenses - £14,148 Person A Wage after expenses - £6,812 Person B Wage after expenses - £18,602 Person C Wage after expenses - £25,152
2020 (£1 worth £1.71 compared to 2000):
Person A Wage after tax - £27,360 Person B Wage after tax - £42,750 Person C Wage after tax - £51,300 Average Salary - £40,470 Average Total Expenses - £18,468 Person A Wage after expenses - £8,892 Person B Wage after expenses - £24,282 Person C Wage after expenses - £32,832
Overall:
Person A wage increase after tax & expenses since 2000 - £3,692 Person B wage increase after tax & expenses since 2000 - £10,082 Person C wage increase after tax & expenses since 2000 - £13,632
So while everyone has had the same wage increase and expenses have went up at the same rate too. Person C has gained 4x more spending power after expenses of Person A in those 20 years. That's because of inflation - everyone's wage increased by 71%, everyone's bills by 71%, everyone's mortgage by 71% and the gap between Person A and Person C also widens by 71%. And as the standard deviation continues to increase, salary disparity and inequality will also increase because that gap between top and bottom will increase at the same rate.
If my maths is wrong then please correct me. But in my eyes percentage increases just led to increased salary disparity and inequality.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 15, 2024 7:56:45 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 15, 2024 9:10:54 GMT
See rishi is even more scared bi may election abd another 5 million to explain from his racist diner
Election now gey these racist corrupt useless parasites out
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