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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 26, 2024 22:51:18 GMT
30p Lee knows exactly what he's doing. Playing to his base ensuring he gets voted in at the next election as independent. Grifters gonna grift. This was the bloke who tried to/was a labour lad when they kicked him out his ideology suddenly turned Tory blue. Lee looks after Lee. Just like Keir Starmer then. Totally shafts the bloke he wanted in Downing St for years the minute he gets power. Whataboutery
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 26, 2024 23:24:18 GMT
No, if you read my posts you'd know that despite my support for the ideas proposed in the budget, I couldn't stand Truss or any of the hapless candidates in that shambolic leadership contest. None of them have a clue what actual Conservatism is. Are you going to be getting behind Starmageddon, Davey's dumbos or Greta's green psychos? π WTAF are you trying to say now, you said, paraphrased that Lizzy's budget was the greatest thing since Sliced Bread I can quite understand why you are now trying to distance yourself from that most ignorant of Statements Here he is. As usual, charging in frantic style to protect Ely with the usual rash ignorance that has become such a trademark of "wannabe" posts. So firstly, before responding to something, read the posts you're responding to. I've literally just stated yet again that I supported the Truss budget. The message laid out in the budget was absolutely what I would want to see from a Conservative budget. The communication around it, lack of qualifying it with people that matter, gaping holes around funding etc clearly failed but the principle that lower taxation can drive economic growth is a policy that can work and has worked before. I've no doubt in years to come (unfortunately not in the next government which I suspect will be associated with savage, higher taxation and an equally shit economy), we'll see similar budgets work. As for Truss and her appointment as PM - again, you've just made a completely false assumption that I supported her as PM based on nothing other than my post supporting the message conveyed in Kwarteng's budget. If Starmer announces a budget I support, does that mean I'm a Starmer super fan? I liked one of Blair's budgets and thought he was the most eloquent PM we'd had in years but in terms of delivery he was more often than not, ineffective and can count himself fortunate not to have been trialed for war crimes.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 26, 2024 23:38:48 GMT
WTAF are you trying to say now, you said, paraphrased that Lizzy's budget was the greatest thing since Sliced Bread I can quite understand why you are now trying to distance yourself from that most ignorant of Statements Here he is. As usual, charging in frantic style to protect Ely with the usual rash ignorance that has become such a trademark of "wannabe" posts. So firstly, before responding to something, read the posts you're responding to. I've literally just stated yet again that I supported the Truss budget. The message laid out in the budget was absolutely what I would want to see from a Conservative budget. The communication around it, lack of qualifying it with people that matter, gaping holes around funding etc clearly failed but the principle that lower taxation can drive economic growth is a policy that can work and has worked before. I've no doubt in years to come (unfortunately not in the next government which I suspect will be associated with savage, higher taxation and an equally shit economy), we'll see similar budgets work. As for Truss and her appointment as PM - again, you've just made a completely false assumption that I supported her as PM based on nothing other than my post supporting the message conveyed in Kwarteng's budget. If Starmer announces a budget I support, does that mean I'm a Starmer super fan? I liked one of Blair's budgets and thought he was the most eloquent PM we'd had in years but in terms of delivery he was more often than not, ineffective and can count himself fortunate not to have been trialed for war crimes. Cos I really need protection from you π 'as usual' - back to making shit up π That's bound to be the reason, you keep telling yourself that, I'm off to bed, as soon as I stop laughing π
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 26, 2024 23:58:35 GMT
Here he is. As usual, charging in frantic style to protect Ely with the usual rash ignorance that has become such a trademark of "wannabe" posts. So firstly, before responding to something, read the posts you're responding to. I've literally just stated yet again that I supported the Truss budget. The message laid out in the budget was absolutely what I would want to see from a Conservative budget. The communication around it, lack of qualifying it with people that matter, gaping holes around funding etc clearly failed but the principle that lower taxation can drive economic growth is a policy that can work and has worked before. I've no doubt in years to come (unfortunately not in the next government which I suspect will be associated with savage, higher taxation and an equally shit economy), we'll see similar budgets work. As for Truss and her appointment as PM - again, you've just made a completely false assumption that I supported her as PM based on nothing other than my post supporting the message conveyed in Kwarteng's budget. If Starmer announces a budget I support, does that mean I'm a Starmer super fan? I liked one of Blair's budgets and thought he was the most eloquent PM we'd had in years but in terms of delivery he was more often than not, ineffective and can count himself fortunate not to have been trialed for war crimes. Cos I really need protection from you π 'as usual' - back to making shit up π That's bound to be the reason, you keep telling yourself that, I'm off to bed, as soon as I stop laughing π I agree, it's cringe worthy stuff isn't it. Don't blame me!π And I'm mystified as to what I'm actually accused of making up here π§
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Post by wannabee on Feb 27, 2024 0:28:19 GMT
WTAF are you trying to say now, you said, paraphrased that Lizzy's budget was the greatest thing since Sliced Bread I can quite understand why you are now trying to distance yourself from that most ignorant of Statements Here he is. As usual, charging in frantic style to protect Ely with the usual rash ignorance that has become such a trademark of "wannabe" posts. So firstly, before responding to something, read the posts you're responding to. I've literally just stated yet again that I supported the Truss budget. The message laid out in the budget was absolutely what I would want to see from a Conservative budget. The communication around it, lack of qualifying it with people that matter, gaping holes around funding etc clearly failed but the principle that lower taxation can drive economic growth is a policy that can work and has worked before. I've no doubt in years to come (unfortunately not in the next government which I suspect will be associated with savage, higher taxation and an equally shit economy), we'll see similar budgets work. As for Truss and her appointment as PM - again, you've just made a completely false assumption that I supported her as PM based on nothing other than my post supporting the message conveyed in Kwarteng's budget. If Starmer announces a budget I support, does that mean I'm a Starmer super fan? I liked one of Blair's budgets and thought he was the most eloquent PM we'd had in years but in terms of delivery he was more often than not, ineffective and can count himself fortunate not to have been trialed for war crimes. Ely is big Boy, I have no need to and never have had the need to "charge in" to protect his Rational Posts .... unless of course you can substantiate your Ridiculous Assertions Having a Pygmy Economic Plyosophy is no substitute to having even a basic understanding of Economics and how the Markets operate. it just compounds your embarrassment if you try and display your ignorance in defence of the indefeasible I'm often amused by your frivolous posts on various topics as they are harmless but without substance. If I were you I'd confine myself to the rarified Marketing World and leave the Economics to people that actually know what they are talking about.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 27, 2024 8:25:29 GMT
Here he is. As usual, charging in frantic style to protect Ely with the usual rash ignorance that has become such a trademark of "wannabe" posts. So firstly, before responding to something, read the posts you're responding to. I've literally just stated yet again that I supported the Truss budget. The message laid out in the budget was absolutely what I would want to see from a Conservative budget. The communication around it, lack of qualifying it with people that matter, gaping holes around funding etc clearly failed but the principle that lower taxation can drive economic growth is a policy that can work and has worked before. I've no doubt in years to come (unfortunately not in the next government which I suspect will be associated with savage, higher taxation and an equally shit economy), we'll see similar budgets work. As for Truss and her appointment as PM - again, you've just made a completely false assumption that I supported her as PM based on nothing other than my post supporting the message conveyed in Kwarteng's budget. If Starmer announces a budget I support, does that mean I'm a Starmer super fan? I liked one of Blair's budgets and thought he was the most eloquent PM we'd had in years but in terms of delivery he was more often than not, ineffective and can count himself fortunate not to have been trialed for war crimes. Ely is big Boy, I have no need to and never have had the need to "charge in" to protect his Rational Posts .... unless of course you can substantiate your Ridiculous Assertions Having a Pygmy Economic Plyosophy is no substitute to having even a basic understanding of Economics and how the Markets operate. itΒ just compounds your embarrassment if you try and display your ignorance in defence of the indefeasibleΒ I'm often amused by your frivolous posts on various topics as they are harmless but without substance. If I wereΒ you I'd confine myself to the rarified Marketing World and leave the Economics to people that actually know what they are talking about. Translates as "how dare you have an opinion on economics that isn't the same as my left leaning opinion!" Out of interest, are you allowed an opinion on economics? Are you educated enough? Because you seem to have a view on lots of things that I assume you're not educated in. I'm often amused by your poorly written responses that look like they are written by a ten year old. You've used some big words this time though so well done π
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 27, 2024 8:32:27 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 27, 2024 8:36:32 GMT
And to be a truly valid opinion, one MUST cite the Guardian (or a left leaning tweeter) at all times!
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 27, 2024 8:37:17 GMT
Ely is big Boy, I have no need to and never have had the need to "charge in" to protect his Rational Posts .... unless of course you can substantiate your Ridiculous Assertions Having a Pygmy Economic Plyosophy is no substitute to having even a basic understanding of Economics and how the Markets operate. itΒ just compounds your embarrassment if you try and display your ignorance in defence of the indefeasibleΒ I'm often amused by your frivolous posts on various topics as they are harmless but without substance. If I wereΒ you I'd confine myself to the rarified Marketing World and leave the Economics to people that actually know what they are talking about. Translates as "how dare you have an opinion on economics that isn't the same as my left leaning opinion!" Out of interest, are you allowed an opinion on economics? Are you educated enough? Because you seem to have a view on lots of things that I assume you're not educated in. I'm often amused by your poorly written responses that look like they are written by a ten year old. You've used some big words this time though so well done π I guess the proof is in the pudding isnβt it. Your preferred budget proved to be an unmitigated disaster. The worst budget of all time that led to the leader who endorsed it lasting as PM for less time than it took for a lettuce to go bad. The Chancellor you championed was sacked days after his budget tanked the economy.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 27, 2024 8:47:40 GMT
Translates as "how dare you have an opinion on economics that isn't the same as my left leaning opinion!" Out of interest, are you allowed an opinion on economics? Are you educated enough? Because you seem to have a view on lots of things that I assume you're not educated in. I'm often amused by your poorly written responses that look like they are written by a ten year old. You've used some big words this time though so well done π I guess the proof is in the pudding isnβt it. Your preferred budget proved to be an unmitigated disaster. The worst budget of all time that led to the leader who endorsed it lasting as PM for less time than it took for a lettuce to go bad. But it doesn't change the fact that similar budgets have had relative success previously and will have relative success again. Obviously no budget is going to please everyone and as it happened, the outcome of the Kwarteng budget pleased no one but shit happens. What views have you had over the years oggy that you approved of that ended not how you expected or would have hoped? Did you prefer the economic situation under the Blair era?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 27, 2024 9:19:34 GMT
I guess the proof is in the pudding isnβt it. Your preferred budget proved to be an unmitigated disaster. The worst budget of all time that led to the leader who endorsed it lasting as PM for less time than it took for a lettuce to go bad. But it doesn't change the fact that similar budgets have had relative success previously and will have relative success again. Obviously no budget is going to please everyone and as it happened, the outcome of the Kwarteng budget pleased no one but shit happens. What views have you had over the years oggy that you approved of that ended not how you expected or would have hoped? Did you prefer the economic situation under the Blair era? I did prefer the economic situation under Blair. Every single public service was better funded and better run, and we paid less tax. The nationβs debt was much less. Fewer people in poverty. Less of a difference between the richest and the poorest. Whatβs there not to like? I think you know that timing is crucial in economics. Kwartengβs budget may have been a brilliant success at the right time. But it was always going to fail at the time he announced it. It was completely negligent. After years of economic instability caused initially by the self harm of austerity and then Brexit, followed by an unforeseen (and badly prepared for) pandemic and inflation increases due to privatised and inappropriately regulated utilities being unable to cope with the impact of Putinβs war, tax cuts which primarily benefit richer people who are doing better than ever before already, is the worst thing to do, as is destabilising the financial system. What we need is to cut taxes for the bottom 50% and increase taxes on the richest 2% focusing less on income tax and more on wealth and unearned income, and better fund public services that have been left to rot for over a decade from increasingly right wing governments. The right of centre has had its turn and could not have screwed up the country any more if it tried. Truss, Kwarteng, Sunak, Johnson, Cameron, Gove, Osborne and then the politics of Farage that led to Brexit - the very rich and well connected elite has had its turn and letβs hope it is never repeated. I am not saying Starmer/Raynor/Streeting/Nandy is the answer. Not at all. I am saying that we need to get the elites out of power first and therefore the only alternative under our FPTP system is Labour and Starmer. His government may not be an improvement. But letβs see. We just have to get rid of the current lot before things get even worse.
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Post by gawa on Feb 27, 2024 9:25:40 GMT
It's nice to be nice. And it's really nice to be really nice.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 27, 2024 9:29:47 GMT
But it doesn't change the fact that similar budgets have had relative success previously and will have relative success again. Obviously no budget is going to please everyone and as it happened, the outcome of the Kwarteng budget pleased no one but shit happens. What views have you had over the years oggy that you approved of that ended not how you expected or would have hoped? Did you prefer the economic situation under the Blair era? I did prefer the economic situation under Blair. Every single public service was better funded and better run, and we paid less tax. The nationβs debt was much less. Fewer people in poverty. Less of a difference between the richest and the poorest. Whatβs there not to like? I think you know that timing is crucial in economics. Kwartengβs budget may have been a brilliant success at the right time. But it was always going to fail at the time he announced it. It was completely negligent. After years of economic instability caused initially by the self harm of austerity and then Brexit, followed by an unforeseen (and badly prepared for) pandemic and inflation increases due to privatised and inappropriately regulated utilities being unable to cope with the impact of Putinβs war, tax cuts which primarily benefit richer people who are doing better than ever before already, is the worst thing to do, as is destabilising the financial system. What we need is to cut taxes for the bottom 50% and increase taxes on the richest 2% focusing less on income tax and more on wealth and unearned income, and better fund public services that have been left to rot for over a decade from increasingly right wing governments. The right of centre has had its turn and could not have screwed up the country any more if it tried. Truss, Kwarteng, Sunak, Johnson, Cameron, Gove, Osborne and then the politics of Farage that led to Brexit - the very rich and well connected elite has had its turn and letβs hope it is never repeated. I am not saying Starmer/Raynor/Streeting/Nandy is the answer. Not at all. I am saying that we need to get the elites out of power first and therefore the only alternative under our FPTP system is Labour and Starmer. His government may not be an improvement. But letβs see. We just have to get rid of the current lot before things get even worse. I happen (a rare occasion) to agree with most of that. Blair in the early days found a unique balance of keeping those on higher tax bandings happy while also pleasing many on lower incomes. However I'm sure you'd agree the state of the nation in 2008 was dire and much of the nation wouldn't agree with us. Given our sleepwalking into the 2008 recession, it's hard to call his overall tenure a success, particularly given his catastrophic foreign policy. I'd also argue the open border policy was a disaster and I suspect your beloved Brexit would likely never have happened had Blair not had such a reckless stance to immigration (combined with a total lack of interest towards addressing the British people's growing concerns re the EU). That said, as someone who is firmly on the right of politics, I'd take Blair over Sunak or Starmer in a heartbeat.
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Post by essexstokey on Feb 27, 2024 9:47:19 GMT
26 tax rises under the tories now there contemplating a new one on capes Tories the party of high taxation and tax cuts for the rich
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 27, 2024 10:27:39 GMT
26 tax rises under the tories now there contemplating a new one on capes Tories the party of high taxation and tax cuts for the rich Not going to earn the much unless they're anticipating a New Romantic revival.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 27, 2024 11:10:03 GMT
I did prefer the economic situation under Blair. Every single public service was better funded and better run, and we paid less tax. The nationβs debt was much less. Fewer people in poverty. Less of a difference between the richest and the poorest. Whatβs there not to like? I think you know that timing is crucial in economics. Kwartengβs budget may have been a brilliant success at the right time. But it was always going to fail at the time he announced it. It was completely negligent. After years of economic instability caused initially by the self harm of austerity and then Brexit, followed by an unforeseen (and badly prepared for) pandemic and inflation increases due to privatised and inappropriately regulated utilities being unable to cope with the impact of Putinβs war, tax cuts which primarily benefit richer people who are doing better than ever before already, is the worst thing to do, as is destabilising the financial system. What we need is to cut taxes for the bottom 50% and increase taxes on the richest 2% focusing less on income tax and more on wealth and unearned income, and better fund public services that have been left to rot for over a decade from increasingly right wing governments. The right of centre has had its turn and could not have screwed up the country any more if it tried. Truss, Kwarteng, Sunak, Johnson, Cameron, Gove, Osborne and then the politics of Farage that led to Brexit - the very rich and well connected elite has had its turn and letβs hope it is never repeated. I am not saying Starmer/Raynor/Streeting/Nandy is the answer. Not at all. I am saying that we need to get the elites out of power first and therefore the only alternative under our FPTP system is Labour and Starmer. His government may not be an improvement. But letβs see. We just have to get rid of the current lot before things get even worse. I happen (a rare occasion) to agree with most of that. Blair in the early days found a unique balance of keeping those on higher tax bandings happy while also pleasing many on lower incomes. However I'm sure you'd agree the state of the nation in 2008 was dire and much of the nation wouldn't agree with us. Given our sleepwalking into the 2008 recession, it's hard to call his overall tenure a success, particularly given his catastrophic foreign policy. I'd also argue the open border policy was a disaster and I suspect your beloved Brexit would likely never have happened had Blair not had such a reckless stance to immigration (combined with a total lack of interest towards addressing the British people's growing concerns re the EU). That said, as someone who is firmly on the right of politics, I'd take Blair over Sunak or Starmer in a heartbeat. I agree with all of that save that I think, given the car crash since, the Blair years were comparatively brilliant on the whole. Iraq was a total disaster. The GFC could have been mitigated better (had Vince Cable been listened to). But still with Blair in charge banks were better regulated to protect consumers from the impact than they would have been under a tory government who was hugely critical of Blair for tightening regulations on banks.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 27, 2024 16:08:54 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Feb 27, 2024 16:49:20 GMT
"Burning coal was just fine, he told us. Because coal came from trees and trees were green. Some people even applauded this nonsense." Surely it's time to introduce intelligence tests for politicians, it's getting ridiculous.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 27, 2024 18:04:46 GMT
"Burning coal was just fine, he told us. Because coal came from trees and trees were green. Some people even applauded this nonsense." Surely it's time to introduce intelligence tests for politicians, it's getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure he knew full well what he was saying. Those stupid enough to believe it and applaud however.......
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 27, 2024 20:54:10 GMT
"Burning coal was just fine, he told us. Because coal came from trees and trees were green. Some people even applauded this nonsense." Surely it's time to introduce intelligence tests for politicians, it's getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure he knew full well what he was saying. Those stupid enough to believe it and applaud however....... I'm sure he knew that what he was saying was pure sarcasm but he's spent his entire life thinking his sarcasm raised himself above the rest of the prols. Inside his small mind I think he likes to be disliked. OS.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 27, 2024 21:20:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure he knew full well what he was saying. Those stupid enough to believe it and applaud however....... I'm sure he knew that what he was saying was pure sarcasm but he's spent his entire life thinking his sarcasm raised himself above the rest of the prols. Inside his small mind I think he likes to be disliked. OS. I actually think he is a satirical fictional character who has ingratiated himself into the Tory Party through being deliberately obnoxious and offensive and has surprised himself by just how far he's managed to get. It's all being secretly filmed and after the election it will be released as a Netflix series - Lee having revealed himself as Sacha Baron Cohen in a grey wig.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 27, 2024 22:12:59 GMT
John Crace nails it again
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 27, 2024 22:58:57 GMT
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Post by 828492 on Feb 27, 2024 23:20:22 GMT
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Post by phileetin on Feb 28, 2024 10:16:23 GMT
It's nice to be nice. And it's really nice to be really nice. Rothschild thread suggests otherwise ?
Practice what you preach or be classed a hypocrite .
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Post by gawa on Feb 28, 2024 10:57:00 GMT
It's nice to be nice. And it's really nice to be really nice. Rothschild thread suggests otherwiseΒ ?
Practice what you preach or be classed a hypocrite .
What's hypocritical about it Phillip? Have I upset you by not being distraught at the death of another tax dodging billionaire. We don't all share the same fetishes for rich powerful men. It's nice to be nice π
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 28, 2024 14:11:05 GMT
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Post by phileetin on Feb 28, 2024 14:34:26 GMT
Rothschild thread suggests otherwise ?
Practice what you preach or be classed a hypocrite .
What's hypocritical about it Phillip? Have I upset you by not being distraught at the death of another tax dodging billionaire. We don't all share the same fetishes for rich powerful men. It's nice to be nice π sorry i didn't know you were being sarcastic .
Perhaps in the future if i make a detrimental remark to one of your posts , say a relative gets stabbed or summat , you'll forgive me if i thought you were not being genuine .
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Post by gawa on Feb 28, 2024 15:00:01 GMT
What's hypocritical about it Phillip? Have I upset you by not being distraught at the death of another tax dodging billionaire. We don't all share the same fetishes for rich powerful men. It's nice to be nice π sorry i didn't know you were being sarcastic .
Perhaps in the future if i make a detrimental remark to one of your posts , say a relative gets stabbed or summat , you'll forgive me if i thought you were not being genuine .
You can say whatever you want about my family Phil, like water of a ducks back. As a "pro hamas" supporter in your own words, the opinions of a "woman and child murdering cheerleader" really have little impact on me.
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Post by phileetin on Feb 28, 2024 15:31:21 GMT
good , i wont be upset then either .
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