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Post by lordb on Jan 19, 2024 8:33:51 GMT
The polling makes you wonder, literally what is the point of the Lib Dems anymore? Totally hopeless party with a leader most Brits don't even know the name of. Surely they must be considering sacking Davey in favor of someone with even the tiniest ounce of leadership capability and personality. Polling at 8% (less than a brand new party) at a time when the ruling party is at an all time low is both tragic and pretty comical. The Greens are somehow doing even worse! Very low indeed however they have spikes of support in certain areas They will win seats off the Tories
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2024 9:00:40 GMT
You massively big up Reform hoping they will win a few seats in one post, then say what’s the point of the lib dems in the next post. I guarantee the lib dems get more seats than reform at the next election. Which means they have a lot more point to them than reform. The main policy for both is the same by the way: electoral reform. But the lib dems have campaigned for that for decades. We’ve discussed this before I know. Lib Dem’s formed a coalition with Tories in 2010 on the premise that there would be a referendum on an alternative voting system. At that referendum it was firmly rejected by the populace. I voted for change. Why was the AV system so firmly rejected if it is a fairer system. You only have to look at the 2015 GE results to see that. SNP 56 seats with 1.4 million votes, UKIP 1 seat with 3.8 million votes, Lib Dems 8 seats with 2.4 million votes. Which begs the question, why didn’t the 3.8m Ukip voters and the 2.4m lib dem voters all vote for the change to the electoral system?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2024 9:01:08 GMT
The polling makes you wonder, literally what is the point of the Lib Dems anymore? Totally hopeless party with a leader most Brits don't even know the name of. Surely they must be considering sacking Davey in favor of someone with even the tiniest ounce of leadership capability and personality. Polling at 8% (less than a brand new party) at a time when the ruling party is at an all time low is both tragic and pretty comical. The Greens are somehow doing even worse! Very low indeed however they have spikes of support in certain areas They will win seats off the Tories Every little helps
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 19, 2024 9:02:37 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jan 19, 2024 9:11:37 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 19, 2024 9:12:43 GMT
We’ve discussed this before I know. Lib Dem’s formed a coalition with Tories in 2010 on the premise that there would be a referendum on an alternative voting system. At that referendum it was firmly rejected by the populace. I voted for change. Why was the AV system so firmly rejected if it is a fairer system. You only have to look at the 2015 GE results to see that. SNP 56 seats with 1.4 million votes, UKIP 1 seat with 3.8 million votes, Lib Dems 8 seats with 2.4 million votes. Which begs the question, why didn’t the 3.8m Ukip voters and the 2.4m lib dem voters all vote for the change to the electoral system? Perhaps the majority of the 6.1 million who voted to change were UKIP & Lib Dems who knows? There was a 42% voter turn out which is about 60% the turn out for GEs. Looking at the maps for 2010 GE results and the 2011 AV referendum shows swathes of Lib Dem constituencies voting against changing. It’s very strange. Attachment Deleted
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2024 9:26:38 GMT
Which begs the question, why didn’t the 3.8m Ukip voters and the 2.4m lib dem voters all vote for the change to the electoral system? Perhaps the majority of the 6.1 million who voted to change were UKIP & Lib Dems who knows? There was a 42% voter turn out which is about 60% the turn out for GEs. I think if it were repeated the public would overwhelmingly back electoral reform
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2024 9:50:41 GMT
Which begs the question, why didn’t the 3.8m Ukip voters and the 2.4m lib dem voters all vote for the change to the electoral system? Perhaps the majority of the 6.1 million who voted to change were UKIP & Lib Dems who knows? There was a 42% voter turn out which is about 60% the turn out for GEs. Looking at the maps for 2010 GE results and the 2011 AV referendum shows swathes of Lib Dem constituencies voting against changing. It’s very strange. View AttachmentThat’s a really interesting edit. Perhaps the combined tory/labour vote in lib dem areas voted together against? Because it would have been advertised in lib dem areas more than others I imagine.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 19, 2024 10:11:35 GMT
That’s an unbelievable stat! Just imagine how much worse it would be if it weren’t for Brexit or if Labour had been in power… If labour had been in power we would have had assets to show like ellmectricity companies the water companies a national drug agency and trains instead we have corruption and missing money so don't try that one 13 years of tories have left our public services and country on its knees
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Post by salopstick on Jan 19, 2024 10:14:09 GMT
The boundary changes suggest that Starmer needs a bigger swing than Blair had for a majority
The country needs a change thats for sure. Im just not convinced Starmer can generate such a swing
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 19, 2024 10:30:11 GMT
The boundary changes suggest that Starmer needs a bigger swing than Blair had for a majority The country needs a change thats for sure. Im just not convinced Starmer can generate such a swing He’ll need to come up with a decent manifesto. Currently his manifesto consists of arguing black is white with the Tories. So do need change though for sure.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 19, 2024 11:00:24 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 19, 2024 12:31:07 GMT
The polling makes you wonder, literally what is the point of the Lib Dems anymore? Totally hopeless party with a leader most Brits don't even know the name of. Surely they must be considering sacking Davey in favor of someone with even the tiniest ounce of leadership capability and personality. Polling at 8% (less than a brand new party) at a time when the ruling party is at an all time low is both tragic and pretty comical. The Greens are somehow doing even worse! You massively big up Reform hoping they will win a few seats in one post, then say what’s the point of the lib dems in the next post. I guarantee the lib dems get more seats than reform at the next election. Which means they have a lot more point to them than reform. The main policy for both is the same by the way: electoral reform. But the lib dems have campaigned for that for decades. Completely different. Firstly Reform are polling higher than the Lib Dems and will only continue to poll higher in the coming weeks, the trajectory is obvious. Secondly slight difference in that one has been "campaigning for decades" and is now polling worse than a party that's been around five minutes, would you not agree? Thirdly, what do the Lib Dems stand for anymore, do you even know and can you articulate the difference between them and Starmer?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 19, 2024 12:33:22 GMT
Momentum is growing for Ricky Tice and Reform. With Farage set to endorse the party further in the coming weeks and months, and certain sections of the media (even the Guardian!) talking about them and dare I say it, starting to pledge support for them, it does feel like Reform could genuinely stand a chance of winning a few seats in what is going to be an otherwise landslide victory for Starmer. Labour are totally useless but one can at least understand why some might be inclined to vote for them given the state of the nation. But I find it totally unfathomable why ANYONE would vote Conservative in the next election, even die hard Tories. They don't represent the right of British politics whatsoever (or the socially Conservative, more traditional left for that matter). They've destroyed people's pockets, the economy, can't protect our borders, can't provide law and order, have no idea how to reform the NHS, no ideas when it comes to the state of education, they can't even manage the fucking state of our roads in this country - Anyone else noticed the obscene levels of traffic and shambolic road works crisis we've been getting over the last few years? Shapps was a disaster with transport. There is an alternative for those who don't want soft, weak, centre left parties in power and I do think people are finally starting to take note of that. A glimmer of hope for a dissafected nation 😊 www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/18/rishi-sunak-latest-news-rwanda-bill-philp/They won't win a single seat If they get any MPs it will be Tory MPs defecting before the election They will however split the Tory vote, the question is how many marginals will that cost the Tories? I think their ability to win seats depends on what Farage does. If Farage fully gets behind the campaign which I think he will and stands in a seat himself which I think he will then they will win at least one seat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 12:43:31 GMT
They won't win a single seat If they get any MPs it will be Tory MPs defecting before the election They will however split the Tory vote, the question is how many marginals will that cost the Tories? I think their ability to win seats depends on what Farage does. If Farage fully gets behind the campaign which I think he will and stands in a seat himself which I think he will then they will win at least one seat. He should be off tv then (so should all of them). Being an MP is not a 9-5 job (or at least, it shouldn’t be). They need to clean up the laws surrounding secondary incomes for MPs. If you are working for a constituency, that should be your only means of primary income. Money made for talks etc should go back into your seat’s public fund. You are talking on their behalf after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 13:06:05 GMT
Why is the UK giving a private company £500 million to stay open? I thought that privatization was supposed to be successful?
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 19, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
The lass is on a mission:
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 19, 2024 13:41:54 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 13:44:08 GMT
Christ, he's a piece of work isn't he? What an utter slime ball!
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2024 13:56:08 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jan 19, 2024 13:56:53 GMT
Bonkers Election. The Conservative Winner was previously a Labour and Liberal Councillor going back to 2002, he completes the Trifecta. He also happens to be a prominent Jewish Elder in a Ward that's 25% Jewish The Female Labour Candidate is a Transphope who was suspended from the Labour Party for her Twitter activity a week before the Election, reinstated the night before the Election How the LibDems or Greens couldn't take advantage is another story With an Electorate of 3,018 it's hardly a National Guide, but it should be a wake-up message to Starmer not to take the Electorate for granted.
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Post by gawa on Jan 19, 2024 14:01:29 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2024 14:09:39 GMT
You massively big up Reform hoping they will win a few seats in one post, then say what’s the point of the lib dems in the next post. I guarantee the lib dems get more seats than reform at the next election. Which means they have a lot more point to them than reform. The main policy for both is the same by the way: electoral reform. But the lib dems have campaigned for that for decades. Completely different. Firstly Reform are polling higher than the Lib Dems and will only continue to poll higher in the coming weeks, the trajectory is obvious. Secondly slight difference in that one has been "campaigning for decades" and is now polling worse than a party that's been around five minutes, would you not agree? Thirdly, what do the Lib Dems stand for anymore, do you even know and can you articulate the difference between them and Starmer? The lib dems will win more seats than reform at the next election. So are more relevant.
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Post by gawa on Jan 19, 2024 14:36:22 GMT
Bonkers Election. The Conservative Winner was previously a Labour and Liberal Councillor going back to 2002, he completes the Trifecta. He also happens to be a prominent Jewish Elder in a Ward that's 25% Jewish The Female Labour Candidate is a Transphope who was suspended from the Labour Party for her Twitter activity a week before the Election, reinstated the night before the Election How the LibDems or Greens couldn't take advantage is another story With an Electorate of 3,018 it's hardly a National Guide, but it should be a wake-up message to Starmer not to take the Electorate for granted. Maybe Labour should have stuck with the trade union representative who was blocked from standing by the party. morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-corruption-left-wing-union-rep-barred-election-supporting-diane-abbottSimilar story to the Uxbridge MP by election where Starmers cronies have blocked candidates which are "too left" and then went on to lose to the tories.
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Post by gawa on Jan 19, 2024 15:02:05 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2024 15:08:36 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 15:15:09 GMT
Makes a change to hear the truth for once, doesn't it? Rather suspect that that will be his first and last QT appearance.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 19, 2024 15:29:26 GMT
Bonkers Election. The Conservative Winner was previously a Labour and Liberal Councillor going back to 2002, he completes the Trifecta. He also happens to be a prominent Jewish Elder in a Ward that's 25% Jewish The Female Labour Candidate is a Transphope who was suspended from the Labour Party for her Twitter activity a week before the Election, reinstated the night before the Election How the LibDems or Greens couldn't take advantage is another story With an Electorate of 3,018 it's hardly a National Guide, but it should be a wake-up message to Starmer not to take the Electorate for granted. The same Charedi Jews that campaigned tirelessly for the supposed antisemite Corbyn and his Labour Party in 2018. Funny old world. Labour appear to lose the trans allies, Jewish and Muslim votes in this election, which takes some doing in fairness
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 19, 2024 22:19:20 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 19, 2024 22:34:09 GMT
There is another video and it really isn't as bad as this edited version. He didn't laugh at her face, someone behind her said something which is what he was laughing at before they started walking and talking further. He's still a prick he just wasn't being one on this occasion
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