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Post by gawa on Dec 30, 2023 14:24:13 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 30, 2023 14:32:20 GMT
Really hope you are right, but the Northern Blue Wall was a borrowed vote and will in the main switch back to Labour.. I think the turn out will be low despite the craving for change, there'll be extensive voter apathy. There's no party I'm interested in voting for, they're all a bunch of chancers, grifters and spivs. If I can be arsed and they field a candidate I'd vote reform just to upset the apple cart and piss people off. The problem with the FPTP voting is that protest votes helps to elect a government you don’t want. I’m true blue and have been since Saint Maggie but this bunch has put me firmly in the political wilderness. I always wonder how things would have panned out if it wasn’t for Covid with all the billions chucked at furlough, PPE, vaccines etc & war in Ukraine where we have donated billions to fight the tyrant Putin.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 30, 2023 14:45:29 GMT
Would he have the same opinion if his parents estate was taxed to the extent that he and his siblings could not afford the homes they were hoping to put a deposit on with their inheritance. Where I live the Kitley estate rents out at low cost many cottages to people who live locally. When the owner of the estate died few years ago the IHT burden was such that the trustees were forced to sell 7 of the cottages to raise the capital forcing out the tenants. So reducing IHT is not just about benefitting the rich is it?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 30, 2023 15:16:27 GMT
Would he have the same opinion if his parents estate was taxed to the extent that he and his siblings could not afford the homes they were hoping to put a deposit on with their inheritance. Where I live the Kitley estate rents out at low cost many cottages to people who live locally. When the owner of the estate died few years ago the IHT burden was such that the trustees were forced to sell 7 of the cottages to raise the capital forcing out the tenants. So reducing IHT is not just about benefitting the rich is it? But they could help far more people to do something about Johnson's promise to sort adult social care rather than by cutting IHT. news.sky.com/story/funding-for-social-care-overhaul-cut-by-58-as-govt-accused-of-chronic-neglect-13004217
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Post by wannabee on Dec 30, 2023 16:04:02 GMT
Would he have the same opinion if his parents estate was taxed to the extent that he and his siblings could not afford the homes they were hoping to put a deposit on with their inheritance. Where I live the Kitley estate rents out at low cost many cottages to people who live locally. When the owner of the estate died few years ago the IHT burden was such that the trustees were forced to sell 7 of the cottages to raise the capital forcing out the tenants. So reducing IHT is not just about benefitting the rich is it? Don't know the details of why these Bastards chose this method to pay IHT, Spike is head of the Family I understand. IHT can be paid over 10 years but immediately if property is sold. Less than 4% of Deaths or about 25,000 people's estates incur IHT each year, transfer to a spouse nil and it generates about £6Bn per year for Treasury Doesn't seem equitable to alter Tax Regime which won't benefit more than 96% of people
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Post by gawa on Dec 30, 2023 17:09:35 GMT
Would he have the same opinion if his parents estate was taxed to the extent that he and his siblings could not afford the homes they were hoping to put a deposit on with their inheritance. Where I live the Kitley estate rents out at low cost many cottages to people who live locally. When the owner of the estate died few years ago the IHT burden was such that the trustees were forced to sell 7 of the cottages to raise the capital forcing out the tenants. So reducing IHT is not just about benefitting the rich is it? 375k (if you're a spouse) or 500k (if you are a child/grandchild) tax free is more than enough money to put a deposit down on a house. Is this the Kitley estate in Devon where the staff staged a walk out a few years ago due to working conditions and treatment from the owners or another one? I'm sure the 7 people now owning those properties are much happier that their mortgage payments are going towards an asset they own rather than lining the pockets of a wealthy family. I'd rather have the 7 billion pounds in tax to help the economy personally myself than gamble it on generous millionaires kindly keeping rent "reasonable". It's not surprising that those MPs who want inheritance tax scrapped are the same who tend to oppose rent controls. They're also the same MPs who are big fans of Thatcher whose right to buy stripped millions of homes with "reasonable rent" from the public and now 40% of them are in the hands of private landlords who don't believe in "reasonable rent".
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 30, 2023 19:10:23 GMT
Electoral Reform Society The government has finally published Liz Truss's resignation honours list, by publishing it at 10.30pm on a Friday night, in the hope that nobody would notice. It will feel like an insult to many to see Liz Truss handing out peerages to friends and supporters after her disastrously short stint as prime minister. This additional batch of peerages means that the former prime minister has sent a new person to the Lords for every 1.5 days she was in office. They can try and sneak out the list, but Liz Truss's appointments have thrust the squalid process of Lords appointments into the foreground, and in a way unlikely to enhance the upper chamber’s reputation with the public. Because of these appointments, the whole country can see how Westminster actually works. Will you add your name to share what you think about these honours? Say no to Liz Truss's Lords → We need to replace the bloated and unelected Lords with a smaller elected chamber where the people of this country, not former prime ministers, choose who sits in Parliament making the laws we all live under. Best wishes, Darren Hughes, Chief Executive, Electoral Reform Society There’s no good reason to have an unelected House of Lords other than, if removed on the grounds that it’s unelected, the worthless monarchical system may be questioned next. I agree Civil. IMHO those who are aiming their attack on the Monarchy are simply strategically wrong. The HofL is pragmatically more influential on our democracy. I would not try to reform it, I would abolish it and start with a blank piece of paper to replace it. If indeed we do need a second chamber or if we need a body/ groups/ specialists/ working parties to monitor and scrutinise legislation this could be achieved in different ways...gor example in the modern era with meetings via Zoom , Teams etc we do not need the expense of the HofL chamber, travel, attendance allowance, subsidised meals etc....just a sop to London and the privileged aristocracy. As for the Monarchy I think Charles, Camellia and the rest will slowly diminish their relevance.....I do think there is a place for our history, ceremony and heritage but it needs to be costed properly
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 30, 2023 19:20:20 GMT
I think the turn out will be low despite the craving for change, there'll be extensive voter apathy. There's no party I'm interested in voting for, they're all a bunch of chancers, grifters and spivs. If I can be arsed and they field a candidate I'd vote reform just to upset the apple cart and piss people off. The problem with the FPTP voting is that protest votes helps to elect a government you don’t want. I’m true blue and have been since Saint Maggie but this bunch has put me firmly in the political wilderness. I always wonder how things would have panned out if it wasn’t for Covid with all the billions chucked at furlough, PPE, vaccines etc & war in Ukraine where we have donated billions to fight the tyrant Putin. I don't think it is necessarily true Lawry that we would get a government that you didn't want......who is the " you"? It would be nice to know that your vote counts, as with the Brexit referendum it might motivate the disillusioned to vote. Also it could change the way politics is done in this country.....already the political oatcakers are talking about the next election as " a Labour win " , a Tory humiliation " ( with massive reservations of course)....this stifles all real debate about what is best for the country, excludes many who are disillusioned with politics, sidelines groups such as the Greens who are well represented....and for me the elephant in the room....whether you think of yourself as Labour or Conservative, to vote for either is actually a vote for the status quo, whichever of the two get in......and I believe that most of us have had enough of that.....the vast majority of us will end up with a government we don't really want
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 31, 2023 7:14:38 GMT
Would he have the same opinion if his parents estate was taxed to the extent that he and his siblings could not afford the homes they were hoping to put a deposit on with their inheritance. Where I live the Kitley estate rents out at low cost many cottages to people who live locally. When the owner of the estate died few years ago the IHT burden was such that the trustees were forced to sell 7 of the cottages to raise the capital forcing out the tenants. So reducing IHT is not just about benefitting the rich is it? Don't know the details of why these Bastards chose this method to pay IHT, Spike is head of the Family I understand. IHT can be paid over 10 years but immediately if property is sold. Less than 4% of Deaths or about 25,000 people's estates incur IHT each year, transfer to a spouse nil and it generates about £6Bn per year for Treasury Doesn't seem equitable to alter Tax Regime which won't benefit more than 96% of people Spike Bastard is the owner and managing director of Kitley House. But this is a fraction of the whole Kitley estate which was split between various family members in trust in order to reduce the ongoing IHT burden. I would suggest that the Bastard Family are asset and not cash rich so IHT can only be paid by selling off real estate. Most of the land of the Kitley estate is agricultural and therefore low value. Hence the need to sell off tenanted properties to pay the IHT.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 31, 2023 8:16:48 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 31, 2023 8:58:01 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Dec 31, 2023 9:44:02 GMT
I'd say it may not be rudeness more that Mathew Elliott may feel more of an allegiance to Russia than UK Parliament CEO of several opaque 55 Tufton Street Think Tanks, Founder Member of Conservative Friends of Russia which brought £Ms to Conservative Coffers and Individuals. CEO of Vote Leave, HoC Select Committee found undeniable evidence of Russian interference in Referendum, Government refused to investigate further i.e. they didn't want to know. At least Lebedev will have a chum to chat with.... foxes in the henhouse in plain sight
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 31, 2023 10:00:23 GMT
Doms inner thoughts: Must stay relevant, must stay relevant, must stay…
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 1, 2024 10:57:04 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 1, 2024 11:56:16 GMT
Absolutely. We must regulate MPs and, in particular, ministers. We must have a more democratic electoral system to reduce the prioritisation of political party over policy and country. Prohibit the whipping of backbenchers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 12:21:10 GMT
Absolutely. We must regulate MPs and, in particular, ministers. We must have a more democratic electoral system to reduce the prioritisation of political party over policy and country. Prohibit the whipping of backbenchers. How hard would it be to remove lobbying? Surely, it’s not that hard. At the beginning of an election cycle, registered political parties could be each given a limited amount of public money to distribute to their candidates. Move most of it online, we don’t live in the dark ages. Sure, meet with businesses to discuss what issues they face. Don’t take money from them and disband parties that do. How hard would it be to simply have a code of conduct where lying results in heavy fines? Politicians would soon become, a) better informed, and b) less willing to bend the truth (lie) to suit the viewership. How hard would it be to have a highly encrypted all that allows for votes to be cast electronically? Why can’t a law be placed so that politicians who are absent from casting votes (or who vote anything other than yes/no) don’t get paid? If I were to make three basic changes in politics, it would be those. I’d do the same in the U.S.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 1, 2024 12:48:39 GMT
It is indeed a very good Article and obviously reflects the mood of the Electorate but apathy is not the answer Like the Article this readers comment expresses my feelings better than I could "Fighting the terrible 'they're all as bad as each other' laziness is tiresome, even for low grade local Councillors, like me. No they/we are bloody not. This lie suits Johnson and Co, and their sense of entitlement and being above the law. To all the non-aged Tories who are quitting rather than serving in opposition - good riddance. A LOT more transparency, and stopping suppression of reports, eg Russian interference with the EU referendum, Downing St drinks bill, reform of housing standards - all well overdue. Re-rating of council tax 20 years overdue. Focusing on the country's needs not tomorrow's (non-dom owned) tabloid press headlines might help. And yes, echoing others, open Stormont, and anyone who doesn't show, DUP, say, gets money stopped, and after say 3 months, have their membership voided. And AV. UK and USA the only 'democracies' not to use some sort of PR."
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 1, 2024 12:53:08 GMT
It is indeed a very good Article and obviously reflects the mood of the Electorate but apathy is not the answer Like the Article this readers comment expresses my feelings better than I could "Fighting the terrible 'they're all as bad as each other' laziness is tiresome, even for low grade local Councillors, like me. No they/we are bloody not. This lie suits Johnson and Co, and their sense of entitlement and being above the law. To all the non-aged Tories who are quitting rather than serving in opposition - good riddance. A LOT more transparency, and stopping suppression of reports, eg Russian interference with the EU referendum, Downing St drinks bill, reform of housing standards - all well overdue. Re-rating of council tax 20 years overdue. Focusing on the country's needs not tomorrow's (non-dom owned) tabloid press headlines might help. And yes, echoing others, open Stormont, and anyone who doesn't show, DUP, say, gets money stopped, and after say 3 months, have their membership voided. And AV. UK and USA the only 'democracies' not to use some sort of PR."
I'm afraid they'll have to serve a term and prove their worth before I'll put a X in the box again at a national level. Particularly if they just parachute metropolitan candidates in up and down the country to suit the party rather than the people they're supposed to represent. If they do that then you'll have to excuse me if I say they can fuck right off, whichever party the represent.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 2, 2024 6:22:32 GMT
Day 2 of new years resolution get rid of the terrible tories
Make sure your registered to vote and have photo id or a postal vote all can be done on line on .gov website
Make 2024/5 the last time there parasites are ever In power don't let them Steal an election
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 2, 2024 9:35:26 GMT
The asylum backlog is 8 times higher than when labour left office at 165,000. Yet Cleverly has claimed today to have dealt with the backlog!? He needs sectioning. He clearly is not of sound mind.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 3, 2024 11:42:53 GMT
Tories bmnew tactic get election material out now so it dosent count in election costs
There attempting to buy the election as well as steal it
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 3, 2024 11:45:25 GMT
The asylum backlog is 8 times higher than when labour left office at 165,000. Yet Cleverly has claimed today to have dealt with the backlog!? He needs sectioning. He clearly is not of sound mind. No creative tory accounting as allways and hypocrisy
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 3, 2024 12:30:01 GMT
The asylum backlog is 8 times higher than when labour left office at 165,000. Yet Cleverly has claimed today to have dealt with the backlog!? He needs sectioning. He clearly is not of sound mind. Certainly not fit to hold a senior role. As I understand it the claim relates to legacy claims which were standing at 95000 when Sunak made his pledge. The govt says that amongst those processed, 4500 are now recategorised as difficult, then there are over 30,000 of the 95000 which have been voided as claims because it seems it's taken so long they have no idea where the claimants are. Then there is the backlog for the newer claims , which is higher than the 95,000 legacy claims was. Anyone prepared to swallow this shit and think the Tories are worthy of their vote must have the lowest expectations imaginable of their elected representatives.
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Post by gawa on Jan 3, 2024 14:37:35 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 3, 2024 15:01:08 GMT
Day 2 of new years resolution get rid of the terrible tories Make sure your registered to vote and have photo id or a postal vote all can be done on line on .gov website Make 2024/5 the last time there parasites are ever In power don't let them Steal an election
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 3, 2024 15:37:11 GMT
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Post by chad on Jan 3, 2024 18:43:16 GMT
Day 2 of new years resolution get rid of the terrible tories Make sure your registered to vote and have photo id or a postal vote all can be done on line on .gov website Make 2024/5 the last time there parasites are ever In power don't let them Steal an election If you think Starmer/Rayner are going to improve things you’re living in cuckoo land. And yes I agree the Tories have been a shambles
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2024 18:50:28 GMT
Well that'll be a bloody short investigation! I'll save them some time ... he's lying!
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Post by elystokie on Jan 3, 2024 22:57:01 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jan 4, 2024 0:59:37 GMT
A sad but depressing commentary on UK Politics 2024 where lying without impunity is de rigueur The starting gun for GE campaigning hasn't even been fired yet the most fantastical claims are being spouted as if we exist in a Parallel Universe Statesmen of whatever hue would turn in their graves if they were to hear some of the Bullshit Perhaps Ian is right and the Electorate will simply not engage as an FU or "a plague on all your houses" These Charletans and Scoundrels are testing the very limits of Democracy
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