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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2023 11:51:52 GMT
You ok with hunting then mate? If "obsessed" is being appalled and wanting an end to defenceless animals being ripped to pieces by dogs, then yes, I'm "obsessed" I don’t like the type of hunting you describe there but I have no problem with someone going to hunt an animal and put them down with a gun or a crossbow as long as the whole animal is used (pelt, offal, meat). We can’t hunt in my area as it’s too close to schools (which is very fair) so the deer population have to be routinely culled by the City or they just end up killing people on the interstate. He’s referring to fox hunting, which doesn’t happen in this country as it was banned years ago. Huddysl not thought through his posts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 12:00:34 GMT
I don’t like the type of hunting you describe there but I have no problem with someone going to hunt an animal and put them down with a gun or a crossbow as long as the whole animal is used (pelt, offal, meat). We can’t hunt in my area as it’s too close to schools (which is very fair) so the deer population have to be routinely culled by the City or they just end up killing people on the interstate. He’s referring to fox hunting, which doesn’t happen in this country as it was banned years ago. Huddysl not thought through his posts. I’ll come right out and say, it’s not something I know a huge amount about. However, it looks like you can still do fox hunting as long as you call it something different and take the effort to make a workaround. www.bbc.com/news/uk-59420935Not my cup of tea either way. I don’t know why someone would get a hard on watching their dogs get all excited or mauling something. Something like 40 people a year get arrested for fox hunting, so the law seems to be working somewhat. Just like all laws, there’s always a way to work around it, I suppose.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 12:02:15 GMT
You ok with hunting then mate? If "obsessed" is being appalled and wanting an end to defenceless animals being ripped to pieces by dogs, then yes, I'm "obsessed" So where exactly in Britain are animals (I assume you mean foxes) being ripped apart by dogs ? All over the UK, have a look at any Hunt Sabs posts on Social Media.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 12:02:50 GMT
I don’t like the type of hunting you describe there but I have no problem with someone going to hunt an animal and put them down with a gun or a crossbow as long as the whole animal is used (pelt, offal, meat). We can’t hunt in my area as it’s too close to schools (which is very fair) so the deer population have to be routinely culled by the City or they just end up killing people on the interstate. He’s referring to fox hunting, which doesn’t happen in this country as it was banned years ago. Huddysl not thought through his posts. You see, this is where ignorance comes in.
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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2023 12:03:54 GMT
So where exactly in Britain are animals (I assume you mean foxes) being ripped apart by dogs ? All over the UK, have a look at any Hunt Sabs posts on Social Media. No. Where’s the fox hunting taking place?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 12:17:16 GMT
All over the UK, have a look at any Hunt Sabs posts on Social Media. No. Where’s the fox hunting taking place? I've just told you. Across the UK. Are you on a wind up or just genuinely being obtuse?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 29, 2023 12:24:02 GMT
You really are useless at arguing your opinion. The fact is, nobody got boosted this year. Where’s your science now? Weren’t the jabs supposed to be a few months apart? You’ll deny this because you can’t question anything. Then blame brexit. And call me a conspiracy theorist. Then probably blame brexit again. You’re so brainwashed by politics you can’t reason with anyone or anything. To a point where, someone states a fact, saying covid deaths were recorded with not of, then you try and say I said the opposite. So, there’s no point arguing, because you’ll resort to anything like suggesting I believe that people don’t die from cancer. Enjoy your echo chamber. We don’t have the same stresses on intensive care units full of covid patients that we had pre vaccine. So clearly having covid and/or having the vaccine helps with immunity. Also the disease strains are not as bad as the initial lot. Covid is not a big deal anymore because we have more immunity to it thanks primarily to vaccines.
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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2023 12:24:48 GMT
No. Where’s the fox hunting taking place? I've just told you. Across the UK. Are you on a wind up or just genuinely being obtuse? Any fox hunting that takes place is illegal, and clearly not what Gove or whoever are talking about. I take it you also didn’t think banning people from sitting on their own around a lake wasn’t draconian either?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 12:26:45 GMT
I've just told you. Across the UK. Are you on a wind up or just genuinely being obtuse? Any fox hunting that takes place is illegal, and clearly not what Gove or whoever are talking about. I take it you also didn’t think banning people from sitting on their own around a lake wasn’t draconian either? I know it's "illegal" but you know as well as I do ( or as I said you're on a wind up) that it's happening across the UK.
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2023 12:30:56 GMT
I've just told you. Across the UK. Are you on a wind up or just genuinely being obtuse? Any fox hunting that takes place is illegal, and clearly not what Gove or whoever are talking about. I take it you also didn’t think banning people from sitting on their own around a lake wasn’t draconian either? Fox hunting still goes on The lack of prosecutions speaks volumes about the class system
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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2023 12:35:11 GMT
Any fox hunting that takes place is illegal, and clearly not what Gove or whoever are talking about. I take it you also didn’t think banning people from sitting on their own around a lake wasn’t draconian either? I know it's "illegal" but you know as well as I do ( or as I said you're on a wind up) that it's happening across the UK. So you think a group of people doing something illegal would be put off doing their evil deed for fear of breaking the rule of 6 😂
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 13:10:39 GMT
I know it's "illegal" but you know as well as I do ( or as I said you're on a wind up) that it's happening across the UK. So you think a group of people doing something illegal would be put off doing their evil deed for fear of breaking the rule of 6 😂 My original post was about the fact that Gove asked for Hunting to be made discretely exempt from the Rule of 6. Posh people getting privilege again.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2023 13:38:07 GMT
True, But, We have restored the sovereignty of parliament and the British people can elect the government of their choice. We can elect a government to tax the rich a lot more, or adopt PR, or abolish the monarchy and HoL, or even rejoin the EU. Let the debate continue. It's usually me that engages in whataboutery, pointing out things are worse in other countries. Arguably North Korea is the only Country in the World that has pure Sovereignty The type you describe is a Paper Sovereignty The Brexit was in the definition of having absolute physical control of borders, laws and money, rather than effective control of the things that will protect Britain’s National interests. In reality Brexit delivers less Sovereignty than more, certainly as it pertains to EU if UK wants to continue with 50% of its Trade. Previously UK had a seat at the table to influence rules of trade. Now it has been reduced to being a Rule Taker if it wants to continue (I could have used the Tent analogy) Trading across borders means regulating across borders, and the more you want to trade, the more regulation you need. This is equally true for Services as well as goods. Post Brexit UK Government has no influence in the Regulation of Data GDPR or AI which the EU is currently enacting and is completely contrary to UK Government thinking. If UK Firms wish to sell into EU they must follow EU Law. This I contend is giving away Sovereignty due to lack of having a voice. Since Brexit small attempts have been made to diverge from EU Standards and Laws which have floundered and been abandoned through Industry Resistance as it would duplicate regulations and add cost. The UK on its own is not big enough to influence most other Trading Blocks or Countries In Canada and Australian Free Trade Agreement there is a clause where Foreign Corporations can sue the UK Government if the UK Government passes Legislation which is detrimental to their business. This is conducted in an Secret International Court who decide compensation, if any. How does this square with your definition of Sovereignty? What was misunderstood in the Brexit debate is the difference between pooling Sovereignty where you have an influence in the decision making and what is in the National Interest UK within the EU always had influence, in many cases a Veto on decisions. It could have requested a derogation and did if it supported but didn't want to follow some rules. If UK fundamentally disagreed with an EU decision which is unlikely due to having a Veto it always had the option of withdrawing without the Article 50 Rigmarole Brilliant post. This argument was clearly made on numerous occasions prior to the referendum but sadly, far too many people, just refused to listen.
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Post by gawa on Nov 29, 2023 13:41:24 GMT
You really are useless at arguing your opinion. The fact is, nobody got boosted this year. Where’s your science now? Weren’t the jabs supposed to be a few months apart? You’ll deny this because you can’t question anything. Then blame brexit. And call me a conspiracy theorist. Then probably blame brexit again. You’re so brainwashed by politics you can’t reason with anyone or anything. To a point where, someone states a fact, saying covid deaths were recorded with not of, then you try and say I said the opposite. So, there’s no point arguing, because you’ll resort to anything like suggesting I believe that people don’t die from cancer. Enjoy your echo chamber. Contrary to what certain members on this board suggest with their blanket statements about "lefties". I think you raise good questions on covid and you're not alone with your views either. I don't think we can just simply blindly trust what the government told us about covid and critical thinking is very important. Probably not the thread for the discussion though. You should come back into the Israel thread satoshi! I'd love to hear more on your views on that conflict.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 13:43:32 GMT
I urge everyone to read this thread.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2023 13:45:04 GMT
Arguably North Korea is the only Country in the World that has pure Sovereignty The type you describe is a Paper Sovereignty The Brexit was in the definition of having absolute physical control of borders, laws and money, rather than effective control of the things that will protect Britain’s National interests. In reality Brexit delivers less Sovereignty than more, certainly as it pertains to EU if UK wants to continue with 50% of its Trade. Previously UK had a seat at the table to influence rules of trade. Now it has been reduced to being a Rule Taker if it wants to continue (I could have used the Tent analogy) Trading across borders means regulating across borders, and the more you want to trade, the more regulation you need. This is equally true for Services as well as goods. Post Brexit UK Government has no influence in the Regulation of Data GDPR or AI which the EU is currently enacting and is completely contrary to UK Government thinking. If UK Firms wish to sell into EU they must follow EU Law. This I contend is giving away Sovereignty due to lack of having a voice. Since Brexit small attempts have been made to diverge from EU Standards and Laws which have floundered and been abandoned through Industry Resistance as it would duplicate regulations and add cost. The UK on its own is not big enough to influence most other Trading Blocks or Countries In Canada and Australian Free Trade Agreement there is a clause where Foreign Corporations can sue the UK Government if the UK Government passes Legislation which is detrimental to their business. This is conducted in an Secret International Court who decide compensation, if any. How does this square with your definition of Sovereignty? What was misunderstood in the Brexit debate is the difference between pooling Sovereignty where you have an influence in the decision making and what is in the National Interest UK within the EU always had influence, in many cases a Veto on decisions. It could have requested a derogation and did if it supported but didn't want to follow some rules. If UK fundamentally disagreed with an EU decision which is unlikely due to having a Veto it always had the option of withdrawing without the Article 50 Rigmarole Brilliant post. This argument was clearly made on numerous occasions prior to the referendum but sadly, far too many people, just refused to listen. Britain always has been a sovereign nation, it's yet another lie espoused by the hard right brexiteers that it wasn't.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 29, 2023 13:56:44 GMT
The fact is, nobody got boosted this year. Where’s your science now? Weren’t the jabs supposed to be a few months apart? You’ll deny this because you can’t question anything. Then blame brexit. And call me a conspiracy theorist. Then probably blame brexit again. You’re so brainwashed by politics you can’t reason with anyone or anything. To a point where, someone states a fact, saying covid deaths were recorded with not of, then you try and say I said the opposite. So, there’s no point arguing, because you’ll resort to anything like suggesting I believe that people don’t die from cancer. Enjoy your echo chamber. Contrary to what certain members on this board suggest with their blanket statements about "lefties". I think you raise good questions on covid and you're not alone with your views either. I don't think we can just simply blindly trust what the government told us about covid and critical thinking is very important. Probably not the thread for the discussion though. You should come back into the Israel thread satoshi! I'd love to hear more on your views on that conflict. Just going for therapy first mate
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 29, 2023 14:00:05 GMT
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Post by phileetin on Nov 29, 2023 14:09:42 GMT
Brilliant post. This argument was clearly made on numerous occasions prior to the referendum but sadly, far too many people, just refused to listen. Britain always has been a sovereign nation, it's yet another lie espoused by the hard right brexiteers that it wasn't. more reason not to rejoin ?
ignore that it mentions conservative ,but i doubt whether you gawa and spence will though
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 29, 2023 14:10:37 GMT
I did...same time as my flu jab. Yup. You and about another 14 million. So no-one then.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2023 15:26:29 GMT
Like I’ve said, arrangements that rotating artifacts across the World would be my ideal situation. This would achieve what you suggest. There are so many artifacts that simply sit in storage, inspiring no one. I honestly don’t care about any one particular piece but I do believe that museums should have a diverse exhibit that highlights other cultures. History doesn’t just start and stop on these shores and teaching kids that doesn’t seem like a wise idea to me. My point and I think Seymour's is that ownership of Cultural Artefacts should be in the gift of that Culture how and where they are displayed I'm all for those Countries to Exhibit them in other Countries in the sensitive way they would want. It would be a tremendous boost to the Exhibiting Country A good example would be the Terracotta Soldiers which have been displayed in UK on at least too occasions
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 29, 2023 15:39:04 GMT
The fact is, nobody got boosted this year. Where’s your science now? Weren’t the jabs supposed to be a few months apart? You’ll deny this because you can’t question anything. Then blame brexit. And call me a conspiracy theorist. Then probably blame brexit again. You’re so brainwashed by politics you can’t reason with anyone or anything. To a point where, someone states a fact, saying covid deaths were recorded with not of, then you try and say I said the opposite. So, there’s no point arguing, because you’ll resort to anything like suggesting I believe that people don’t die from cancer. Enjoy your echo chamber. Contrary to what certain members on this board suggest with their blanket statements about "lefties". I think you raise good questions on covid and you're not alone with your views either. I don't think we can just simply blindly trust what the government told us about covid and critical thinking is very important. Probably not the thread for the discussion though. You should come back into the Israel thread satoshi! I'd love to hear more on your views on that conflict. Don’t encourage him/her. He/she is arguing that covid was some sort of global conspiracy and vaccines did nothing. He/she has argued that because people’s hearts didn’t stop beating due to covid that it didn’t kill people (but distanced himself/herself from applying the same logic to diseases such as dementia, MS and cancer when people have them and die of something else like pneumonia).
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Post by satoshi on Nov 29, 2023 15:39:20 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2023 15:39:56 GMT
My point and I think Seymour's is that ownership of Cultural Artefacts should be in the gift of that Culture how and where they are displayed I'm all for those Countries to Exhibit them in other Countries in the sensitive way they would want. It would be a tremendous boost to the Exhibiting Country A good example would be the Terracotta Soldiers which have been displayed in UK on at least too occasions It would be interesting to know if the audience were laughing at irony or fact
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Post by satoshi on Nov 29, 2023 15:53:42 GMT
Contrary to what certain members on this board suggest with their blanket statements about "lefties". I think you raise good questions on covid and you're not alone with your views either. I don't think we can just simply blindly trust what the government told us about covid and critical thinking is very important. Probably not the thread for the discussion though. You should come back into the Israel thread satoshi! I'd love to hear more on your views on that conflict. Don’t encourage him/her. He/she is arguing that covid was some sort of global conspiracy and vaccines did nothing. He/she has argued that because people’s hearts didn’t stop beating due to covid that it didn’t kill people (but distanced himself/herself from applying the same logic to diseases such as dementia, MS and cancer when people have them and die of something else like pneumonia). You’re literally a vagina
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Post by gawa on Nov 29, 2023 15:53:52 GMT
Contrary to what certain members on this board suggest with their blanket statements about "lefties". I think you raise good questions on covid and you're not alone with your views either. I don't think we can just simply blindly trust what the government told us about covid and critical thinking is very important. Probably not the thread for the discussion though. You should come back into the Israel thread satoshi! I'd love to hear more on your views on that conflict. Don’t encourage him/her. He/she is arguing that covid was some sort of global conspiracy and vaccines did nothing. He/she has argued that because people’s hearts didn’t stop beating due to covid that it didn’t kill people (but distanced himself/herself from applying the same logic to diseases such as dementia, MS and cancer when people have them and die of something else like pneumonia). Everyone is entitled to their views and opinions whether we agree or not. There is a conversation to be had around covid and I don't agree with shutting it down as many people share similar views. I'm not a covid expert or someone who has went far down the rabbit hole with it but I'd rather allow people with concerns to speak up and be proven wrong (if they are) than to be silenced and unchallenged. The best way to debunk conspiracies isn't to silence them in my opinion. I'm not a covid denier and I got some vaccines. But that doesn't mean I think those who have went further down the rabbit hole don't deserve a voice whether we agree with it or not. But I do think it's better suited to the covid thread
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Post by satoshi on Nov 29, 2023 15:58:22 GMT
Don’t encourage him/her. He/she is arguing that covid was some sort of global conspiracy and vaccines did nothing. He/she has argued that because people’s hearts didn’t stop beating due to covid that it didn’t kill people (but distanced himself/herself from applying the same logic to diseases such as dementia, MS and cancer when people have them and die of something else like pneumonia). Everyone is entitled to their views and opinions whether we agree or not. There is a conversation to be had around covid and I don't agree with shutting it down as many people share similar views. I'm not a covid expert or someone who has went far down the rabbit hole with it but I'd rather allow people with concerns to speak up and be proven wrong (if they are) than to be silenced and unchallenged. The best way to debunk conspiracies isn't to silence them in my opinion. I'm not a covid denier and I got some vaccines. But that doesn't mean I think those who have went further down the rabbit hole don't deserve a voice whether we agree with it or not. But I do think it's better suited to the covid thread Wait until she realises that this is my second account
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Post by gawa on Nov 29, 2023 16:11:03 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their views and opinions whether we agree or not. There is a conversation to be had around covid and I don't agree with shutting it down as many people share similar views. I'm not a covid expert or someone who has went far down the rabbit hole with it but I'd rather allow people with concerns to speak up and be proven wrong (if they are) than to be silenced and unchallenged. The best way to debunk conspiracies isn't to silence them in my opinion. I'm not a covid denier and I got some vaccines. But that doesn't mean I think those who have went further down the rabbit hole don't deserve a voice whether we agree with it or not. But I do think it's better suited to the covid thread Wait until she realises that this is my second account Good to have you back momo.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 29, 2023 16:22:42 GMT
Wait until she realises that this is my second account Good to have you back momo. Thanks
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 29, 2023 16:35:48 GMT
Don’t encourage him/her. He/she is arguing that covid was some sort of global conspiracy and vaccines did nothing. He/she has argued that because people’s hearts didn’t stop beating due to covid that it didn’t kill people (but distanced himself/herself from applying the same logic to diseases such as dementia, MS and cancer when people have them and die of something else like pneumonia). Everyone is entitled to their views and opinions whether we agree or not. There is a conversation to be had around covid and I don't agree with shutting it down as many people share similar views. I'm not a covid expert or someone who has went far down the rabbit hole with it but I'd rather allow people with concerns to speak up and be proven wrong (if they are) than to be silenced and unchallenged. The best way to debunk conspiracies isn't to silence them in my opinion. I'm not a covid denier and I got some vaccines. But that doesn't mean I think those who have went further down the rabbit hole don't deserve a voice whether we agree with it or not. But I do think it's better suited to the covid thread Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion (I never said otherwise) and I am entitled to pick holes in those opinions. I have never shut Satoshi down (Satoshi has tried of me by name calling), I have instead challenged his/her opinion. In doing so, it is safe to conclude that the opinions of satoshi about covid are deeply flawed and illogical and are not based on anything other than conspiracy. When these opinions were challenged, the response was to call me a vagina. Need I say more?
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