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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 20:20:13 GMT
I did read the Article in full Ian, I should have acknowledged Do I think Brexit is the sole reason Honda closed Swindon with the loss of 10,000 Direct and Indirect Jobs, of course not. For whatever reason Honda don't see Europe as a target Market while it's going gangbusters in US However there is an interesting timeline 2015 Honda announce Swindon will be Global Hub to Manufacture Civic 2016 Brexit Vote Feb 2019 EU/Japan announce Trade Deal eliminating 10% Tariff over 10 Years May 2019 Honda announce closure of Swindon. I would have more concern what Nissan or Toyota might do in the future As part of EU/UK TCA rules of origin kick in in 2027 UK Car Manufacturers can't meet this as there is no or very little EV Battery. Tata may get up and running, I'm not holding my breath. I'm quite sure you have hear CEOs of Car Manufacturers jumping up and down for UK to renegotiate TCS.... and are looking for handouts. The EU/Japan Trade Deals removes the need for Japanese Car Manufacturers to be in Europe never mind a Country outside EU A decent update here regarding Nissan. www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/nissan-confirms-3bn-investment-in-sunderland/47897They'll have repurposed part of the Infiniti line. I actually bought one as it was built in the UK, it was a great car. Essentially their take on the Mercedes GLA which it was based on the same platform as. Their marketing was atrocious though so they never caught on. Salesman in Stockport was ridiculously right wing, he thought mar lady was BNP because of a Fred Perry jacket she wore and proceeded to go full Carps! A truly bizarre experience, I hate buying cars at the best of times. 😂 Did she have the boots and tight jeans to match Yes I say this on the BBC lunchtime news today which is great news for people of Sunderland with 6,000 jobs secured and probably a similar number in support The numbers mentioned on the News were different but irrelevant if it gets the job done. They talked about a £1Bn investment with £100M Government contribution to upgrade the Factory and potentially another £1Bn to build an EV Factory which is crucial I expect they are holding off announcing that to see how much Government will kick in Let's hope Toyota do something similar as the noises from other Car Manufacturers is not so promising
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 24, 2023 21:26:15 GMT
A decent update here regarding Nissan. www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/nissan-confirms-3bn-investment-in-sunderland/47897They'll have repurposed part of the Infiniti line. I actually bought one as it was built in the UK, it was a great car. Essentially their take on the Mercedes GLA which it was based on the same platform as. Their marketing was atrocious though so they never caught on. Salesman in Stockport was ridiculously right wing, he thought mar lady was BNP because of a Fred Perry jacket she wore and proceeded to go full Carps! A truly bizarre experience, I hate buying cars at the best of times. 😂 Did she have the boots and tight jeans to match Yes I say this on the BBC lunchtime news today which is great news for people of Sunderland with 6,000 jobs secured and probably a similar number in support The numbers mentioned on the News were different but irrelevant if it gets the job done. They talked about a £1Bn investment with £100M Government contribution to upgrade the Factory and potentially another £1Bn to build an EV Factory which is crucial I expect they are holding off announcing that to see how much Government will kick in Let's hope Toyota do something similar as the noises from other Car Manufacturers is not so promising Toyota are going down the solid state route, hopefully they'll make EV far more viable than they currently are.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 24, 2023 21:28:25 GMT
A decent update here regarding Nissan. www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/nissan-confirms-3bn-investment-in-sunderland/47897They'll have repurposed part of the Infiniti line. I actually bought one as it was built in the UK, it was a great car. Essentially their take on the Mercedes GLA which it was based on the same platform as. Their marketing was atrocious though so they never caught on. Salesman in Stockport was ridiculously right wing, he thought mar lady was BNP because of a Fred Perry jacket she wore and proceeded to go full Carps! A truly bizarre experience, I hate buying cars at the best of times. Your mrs is a racist? Wow She just dresses like one. Your post made me think of the GLC, I just got my song title wrong.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 26, 2023 11:06:52 GMT
Anybody who thinks that the NHS wasn't just as bad under Labour, doesn't know what they're talking about ...
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 26, 2023 12:00:34 GMT
Anybody who thinks that the NHS wasn't just as bad under Labour, doesn't know what they're talking about ... I bet you could produce similar charts for the government borrowing, debt, the deficit, and then the state of pretty much every public service: schools, prisons spaces, court waiting lists, teaching vacancies, nursing vacancies, care home staff vacancies etc etc etc. In fact, I challenge someone to name a public service which is running better now than it was when the tories came into power. Have they improved the state of anything at all?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 26, 2023 12:03:09 GMT
Anybody who thinks that the NHS wasn't just as bad under Labour, doesn't know what they're talking about ... I bet you could produce similar charts for the government borrowing, debt, the deficit, and then the state of pretty much every public service: schools, prisons spaces, court waiting lists, teaching vacancies, nursing vacancies, care home staff vacancies etc etc etc. In fact, I challenge someone to name a public service which is running better now than it was when the tories came into power. Have they improved the state of anything at all? The ability to migrate to this country for work, study etc?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 26, 2023 12:33:48 GMT
I bet you could produce similar charts for the government borrowing, debt, the deficit, and then the state of pretty much every public service: schools, prisons spaces, court waiting lists, teaching vacancies, nursing vacancies, care home staff vacancies etc etc etc. In fact, I challenge someone to name a public service which is running better now than it was when the tories came into power. Have they improved the state of anything at all? The ability to migrate to this country for work, study etc? Has that improved? Some people can come here far easier (non-EU migrants) but EU migrants cannot come here as easily. Net migration has increased enormously post brexit, but is that a good thing at the levels we now have? I would like to think that if we had proper investment in the workforce who are already here, and offers weren’t given to businesses to employ from abroad rather than from here (which the Tories currently do and Labour oppose), levels of net migration would be lower and that would be because the domestic workforce had been upskilled/invested in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 12:34:35 GMT
Anybody who thinks that the NHS wasn't just as bad under Labour, doesn't know what they're talking about ... I bet you could produce similar charts for the government borrowing, debt, the deficit, and then the state of pretty much every public service: schools, prisons spaces, court waiting lists, teaching vacancies, nursing vacancies, care home staff vacancies etc etc etc. In fact, I challenge someone to name a public service which is running better now than it was when the tories came into power. Have they improved the state of anything at all? This should be front and center of Starmer’s campaign. Tory’s can make excuses all they like but the reason that they aren’t good at politics is that doing well for the country isn’t in their personal interest.
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Post by lordb on Nov 26, 2023 12:35:40 GMT
Anybody who thinks that the NHS wasn't just as bad under Labour, doesn't know what they're talking about ... I bet you could produce similar charts for the government borrowing, debt, the deficit, and then the state of pretty much every public service: schools, prisons spaces, court waiting lists, teaching vacancies, nursing vacancies, care home staff vacancies etc etc etc. In fact, I challenge someone to name a public service which is running better now than it was when the tories came into power. Have they improved the state of anything at all? Much easier to get backhanders and contracts off your mates these days, very efficient at this
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 26, 2023 12:41:44 GMT
Just thinking was not so cleverly think he was talking about his own party when he made his comments at pmqs 😁
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 26, 2023 16:30:39 GMT
Anybody who thinks that the NHS wasn't just as bad under Labour, doesn't know what they're talking about ... They're all the same though, Paul...😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 26, 2023 20:56:27 GMT
When you think just how much tax payer's money has been completely blown on this ridiculous charade! 🤦♂️
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 26, 2023 21:13:01 GMT
When you think just how much tax payer's money has been completely blown on this ridiculous charade! 🤦♂️ Jesus, they saw us coming, didn't they!? Or, at least, they saw the Conservative government coming. So far, I reckon we've given £140 million to Rwanda for fuck all plus another £480 million to France for, again, fuck all. And that doesn't count the money they've spent trying to come up with a workable plan, nor the money on housing migrants that they could quite easily process, deal with and deport if necessary within weeks, if they really wanted to. What a ludicrous waste of time, money and our reputation as a country.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 26, 2023 21:26:03 GMT
When you think just how much tax payer's money has been completely blown on this ridiculous charade! 🤦♂️ Surely it goes against all our brexit britain principles to try to interfere with another country’s laws and therefore sovereignty!
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 27, 2023 7:44:42 GMT
www.theguardian.com/inequality/2023/nov/27/uk-spends-more-financing-inequality-in-favour-of-rich-than-rest-of-europe-report-finds“When compared with the top five most equal countries, however, inequality costs the UK £128.4bn a year in damage to the economy, communities and individuals.” “The report found that the richest 1% in the UK are the most expensive top 1% group in Europe, paying the lowest taxes of such a group in any large European country. ” “Many of Britain’s deep-seated problems – a broken economy, hollowed-out public services, static and falling living standards, the doubling of child poverty since the late 1970s, and the fall in social resilience – can be traced to the way the economy has been turned into a cash cow for the already rich,” Yet some on here raise doubt in the need to focus tax increases on the most wealthy in the UK on here. I guess they would prefer the “have nots” keep subsiding the “haves”. Tax the rich people more. Improve public services for everyone. Reduce inequality. Reduce poverty.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 8:04:30 GMT
It'll go the opposite way next Spring, oggy, wait and see.
More pre-election tax bribes coming that'll once again benefit the wealthiest overall while making it harder for any incoming govt to address the UK's issues through appropriate levels of funding.
This is the scorched earth approach I mentioned previously.
Patriots and Britain-lovers, the Tories...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 12:21:30 GMT
www.theguardian.com/inequality/2023/nov/27/uk-spends-more-financing-inequality-in-favour-of-rich-than-rest-of-europe-report-finds“When compared with the top five most equal countries, however, inequality costs the UK £128.4bn a year in damage to the economy, communities and individuals.” “The report found that the richest 1% in the UK are the most expensive top 1% group in Europe, paying the lowest taxes of such a group in any large European country. ” “Many of Britain’s deep-seated problems – a broken economy, hollowed-out public services, static and falling living standards, the doubling of child poverty since the late 1970s, and the fall in social resilience – can be traced to the way the economy has been turned into a cash cow for the already rich,” Yet some on here raise doubt in the need to focus tax increases on the most wealthy in the UK on here. I guess they would prefer the “have nots” keep subsiding the “haves”. Tax the rich people more. Improve public services for everyone. Reduce inequality. Reduce poverty. Reducing poverty would reduce social unrest and improve community cohesion. Imagine how many community grants could be set up to support sports teams or hobby clubs.
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Post by phileetin on Nov 27, 2023 12:36:39 GMT
if poverty in the uk is so bad , why are all the illegal immigrants coming here ?
what social unrest are you referring to ? Drug stabbings / shootings in liverpool and london ?
communities are coherent within their own enclaves there is little that binds one ethnic community to a different ethnic community .i suggest that multiculturalism has failed ?
are you being sarcastic when you suggest that sports and hobby clubs are the answer to reducing poverty ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 12:44:52 GMT
if poverty in the uk is so bad , why are all the illegal immigrants coming here ? what social unrest are you referring to ? Drug stabbings / shootings in liverpool and london ? communities are coherent within their own enclaves there is little that binds one ethnic community to a different ethnic community .i suggest that multiculturalism has failed ? are you being sarcastic when you suggest that sports and hobby clubs are the answer to reducing poverty ? With 100 billion a year extra in community coffers across the country, money could go to those that need it in the form of things like food banks, new housing, renovating areas to make them more attractive to investment etc. However, no. I am not being sarcastic. If you build community projects and provide opportunities for communities to come together, they are more likely to do so than if there is nothing there. I am firmly of the belief that integration starts in childhood. On my estate growing up, there used to be a little park that people could play sports and the younger kids could play on swings etc. Then, the council decided that the cost of upkeep was too high and so they demolished it. Kids no longer have anything to do, so they spend their days wandering around with bigger kids, getting egged on to do stupid things. I wonder where that’ll lead. Integration isn’t just horizontal, it’s vertical within a community. I’ve often heard from people on here that they believe that kids have less respect etc. Sports, hobbies e.g Scouts but without the paedophilia) can teach that. As for poverty and immigration, it has been said many times that the UK has got worse but that doesn’t make it as bad as many other countries. I suppose it boils down to what you want for kids. When I was growing up, my Dad always said that he worked three jobs so that I could have opportunities he didn’t. I’m therefore of the opinion that parents typically want a better life for their kids than they had. Are you saying that they don’t, and just want a better life for their kids than they could have in war-torn countries?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 27, 2023 13:23:06 GMT
if poverty in the uk is so bad , why are all the illegal immigrants coming here ? what social unrest are you referring to ? Drug stabbings / shootings in liverpool and london ? communities are coherent within their own enclaves there is little that binds one ethnic community to a different ethnic community .i suggest that multiculturalism has failed ? are you being sarcastic when you suggest that sports and hobby clubs are the answer to reducing poverty ? Poverty is terrible here considering the wealth of our nation. 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world. By illegal immigrants I assume you mean asylum seekers. We take very few of them. Far more go to Germany and France, 2 comparable nations to us in terms of wealth and population size.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 13:29:59 GMT
if poverty in the uk is so bad , why are all the illegal immigrants coming here ? what social unrest are you referring to ? Drug stabbings / shootings in liverpool and london ? communities are coherent within their own enclaves there is little that binds one ethnic community to a different ethnic community .i suggest that multiculturalism has failed ? are you being sarcastic when you suggest that sports and hobby clubs are the answer to reducing poverty ? Poverty is terrible here considering the wealth of our nation. 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world. By illegal immigrants I assume you mean asylum seekers. We take very few of them. Far more go to Germany and France, 2 comparable nations to us in terms of wealth and population size. Indeed. From the most recent HoC report on the subject: In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 22 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 19th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2023 14:58:31 GMT
Poverty is terrible here considering the wealth of our nation. 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world. By illegal immigrants I assume you mean asylum seekers. We take very few of them. Far more go to Germany and France, 2 comparable nations to us in terms of wealth and population size. Indeed. From the most recent HoC report on the subject: In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 22 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 19th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.Nevermind all that stuff. We need to stop the boats, that's what really matters!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2023 17:59:37 GMT
I have never in all my life seen such blatant lying at the despatch box.
As for the performance of the Deputy Speaker?
Absolutely pathetic ...
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 27, 2023 19:02:27 GMT
I have never in all my life seen such blatant lying at the despatch box. As for the performance of the Deputy Speaker? Absolutely pathetic ... Bloody hell and I thought Hoyle was out of his depth. She's in even deeper waters
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 27, 2023 20:31:56 GMT
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Post by stiggerstackle on Nov 27, 2023 20:46:22 GMT
A minor country pushes a weak prime minister, and he duly responds by acting like a weak prime minister. Pathetic indeed.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 27, 2023 22:12:45 GMT
I have never in all my life seen such blatant lying at the despatch box. As for the performance of the Deputy Speaker? Absolutely pathetic ... ] Great example they set. If this was your kids at school who’d been caught swearing you’d be fuming with them, especially if they then tried to lie about it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2023 22:58:15 GMT
Jesus wept it's 2023 FFS, yet we act like we're still locked into the final throes of Empire, no wonder the rest of the world are disgusted by us! "But Mr Mitsotakis's appearance on the the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme had irritated Mr Sunak. A senior Conservative source said: "It became impossible for this meeting to go ahead following commentary regarding the Elgin Marbles prior to it. "Our position is clear - the Elgin Marbles are part of the permanent collection of the British Museum and belong here. It is reckless for any British politician to suggest that this is subject to negotiation."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 0:21:02 GMT
Jesus wept it's 2023 FFS, yet we act like we're still locked into the final throes of Empire, no wonder the rest of the world are disgusted by us! "But Mr Mitsotakis's appearance on the the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme had irritated Mr Sunak. A senior Conservative source said: "It became impossible for this meeting to go ahead following commentary regarding the Elgin Marbles prior to it. "Our position is clear - the Elgin Marbles are part of the permanent collection of the British Museum and belong here. It is reckless for any British politician to suggest that this is subject to negotiation." Couldn’t a simple solution to these problems be that museums (and govts) around the world get together to do rotation collections of artifacts? Yes, you may have to start charging a little or more aggressively pushing for donations but at least the World’s history would then belong to the World.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 28, 2023 8:51:32 GMT
Jesus wept it's 2023 FFS, yet we act like we're still locked into the final throes of Empire, no wonder the rest of the world are disgusted by us! "But Mr Mitsotakis's appearance on the the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme had irritated Mr Sunak. A senior Conservative source said: "It became impossible for this meeting to go ahead following commentary regarding the Elgin Marbles prior to it. "Our position is clear - the Elgin Marbles are part of the permanent collection of the British Museum and belong here. It is reckless for any British politician to suggest that this is subject to negotiation." Another dead cat culture war issue. Starmer met the Greek leader to talk like adults. Sunak stood him up and wants to make labour somehow look weak for doing what a statesman should be doing. Anything to deflect from the self made immigration crisis in the tory party
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