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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 16:24:58 GMT
I think higher taxes for everyone are inevitable but nobody dares talk honestly about it. We have an ageing population and a reducing birth-rate - a double whammy that has no easy fix. like we don't pay enough taxes as it is though. They're tripping people to floor and nailing them to it. If I didn't know better I'd say it's by design, taking, taking, taking all the time, what's the point in going to work because they'll find one way or another to take it sodding off you. Slave population worked to death to Eat, shit and sleep When has the world ever been any different? People could go “off grid”, build their own house, kill their own animals etc, but essentially they’d still work all day to just get by. It’s life.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2023 16:29:43 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2023 16:41:17 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 16:58:11 GMT
like we don't pay enough taxes as it is though. They're tripping people to floor and nailing them to it. If I didn't know better I'd say it's by design, taking, taking, taking all the time, what's the point in going to work because they'll find one way or another to take it sodding off you. Slave population worked to death to Eat, shit and sleep When has the world ever been any different? People could go “off grid”, build their own house, kill their own animals etc, but essentially they’d still work all day to just get by. It’s life. Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2023 17:10:35 GMT
When has the world ever been any different? People could go “off grid”, build their own house, kill their own animals etc, but essentially they’d still work all day to just get by. It’s life. Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though 4* hotels like the 1* North Stafford hotel for example?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2023 17:14:10 GMT
I think higher taxes for everyone are inevitable but nobody dares talk honestly about it. We have an ageing population and a reducing birth-rate - a double whammy that has no easy fix. I’ll give you the easy fix. Make the record numbers of billionaires and multimillionaires who profited enormously during covid and the cost of living crisis pay a small percentage of their massive profits to fund better public services. A wealth tax of 1 or 2 percent for anyone worth over £10m, at the same time as regulating to ensure people cannot hide behind businesses, would raise a huge amount.
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Post by sticky on Nov 22, 2023 17:21:04 GMT
I wouldn’t mind paying the Tax/Vat/NI, if it felt like I was getting something back.. every public service is fucking shit, the roads are a joke, but we’re paying out record levels of tax. I mean if there were shiny new hospitals/schools etc it’d be a reasonable compromise. And as for Gully (another leaflet through the door/ straight in the bin) about how he’s transforming tunstall library and swimming baths.. his party shut the things! When you actually sit back and think of all the money in taxes/vat/road tax and all the other taxes that they’re taking in, I mean where the hell does it all go🤷🏼♂️ serious question??
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2023 17:23:35 GMT
I wouldn’t mind paying the Tax/Vat/NI, if it felt like I was getting something back.. every public service is fucking shit, the roads are a joke, but we’re paying out record levels of tax. I mean if there were shiny new hospitals/schools etc it’d be a reasonable compromise. And as for Gully (another leaflet through the door/ straight in the bin) about how he’s transforming tunstall library and swimming baths.. his party shut the things! When you actually sit back and think of all the money in taxes/vat/road tax and all the other taxes that they’re taking in, I mean where the hell does it all go🤷🏼♂️ serious question?? In the pockets of the shareholders of the companies who win the government contracts. In other words, to mates of the tory party. Covid saw the most monumental extraction of tax pounds paid to tory donors that we have ever seen. And Rishi Sunak doesn’t want to collect back the billions fraudulently claimed during covid. Starmer does. Yet people on here say labour is the same as the tories.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 22, 2023 17:23:37 GMT
Until you factor in the fact that tax thresholds remain frozen leaving you no better off. Still - there are plenty who will look no further than the headline - which is what they're hoping. Shhhush, why don't you!
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 17:23:46 GMT
Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though 4* hotels like the 1* North Stafford hotel for example? I know I bet they're well pissed off about it, I feel slightly embarrassed that the tax payer didn't fund a full refurbishment of the place before they moved in
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2023 17:24:01 GMT
Until you factor in the fact that tax thresholds remain frozen leaving you no better off. Still - there are plenty who will look no further than the headline - which is what they're hoping. This is the real con trick by extending this out to 2028 thus creating a Nominal Fiscal Drag the OBR can say the Books have been Balanced. They know they are unlikely to face the backlash for this as they will be out of office but in the short term they can hand out some goodies to avoid a wipe-out in GE Cynical Bastards
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2023 17:24:51 GMT
Until you factor in the fact that tax thresholds remain frozen leaving you no better off. Still - there are plenty who will look no further than the headline - which is what they're hoping. This is the real con trick by extending this out to 2028 thus creating a Nominal Fiscal Drag the OBR can say the Books have been Balanced. They know they are unlikely to face the backlash for this as they will be out of office but in the short term they can hand out some goodies to avoid a wipe-out in GE Cynical Bastards If only our government could put the country before the party.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2023 17:25:24 GMT
When has the world ever been any different? People could go “off grid”, build their own house, kill their own animals etc, but essentially they’d still work all day to just get by. It’s life. Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though It's almost as if it would make sense to process the people in these hotels to allow them to work and contribute to society. However if we did that the governments mates would lose out on millions of pounds worth of public money. Don't expect the Daily Mail to tell you this any time soon 😉
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 22, 2023 17:34:52 GMT
Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though It's almost as if it would make sense to process the people in these hotels to allow them to work and contribute to society. However if we did that the governments mates would lose out on millions of pounds worth of public money. Don't expect the Daily Mail to tell you this any time soon 😉 Or that they're paying for empty rooms. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-hotels-migrants-cost-b2372715.htmlTory donors like Alex Langsam (owner Britannia Hotels) have long term contracts with the Home office and expect a reward for their - ahem - support. Whether there are enough asylum seekers or not. The asylum system is a distraction for corruption and incompetence. The evidence is not hard to find for anyone who can be arsed to lkok beyond what GB News tells you.
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 17:36:56 GMT
Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though It's almost as if it would make sense to process the people in these hotels to allow them to work and contribute to society. However if we did that the governments mates would lose out on millions of pounds worth of public money. Don't expect the Daily Mail to tell you this any time soon 😉 You cant though can you when theyve come in boats, it's a national security risk, they dont come with passports and i.d. Assuming ( on the very slim chance) they're all workers of course What happens when the jobs dry up and we go into recession? 700'000 net migration forecast this week. More competition for your job = employers with the ace card on pay offer and more on benefits
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 22, 2023 17:42:48 GMT
20 years ago, this would have been a resignation matter but nowadays it's just another senior Tory displaying their utter contempt for the North.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 22, 2023 17:43:20 GMT
It's almost as if it would make sense to process the people in these hotels to allow them to work and contribute to society. However if we did that the governments mates would lose out on millions of pounds worth of public money. Don't expect the Daily Mail to tell you this any time soon 😉 You cant though can you when theyve come in boats, it's a national security risk, they dont come with passports and i.d. Assuming ( on the very slim chance) they're all workers of course What happens when the jobs dry up and we go into recession? 700'000 net migration forecast this week. More competition for your job = employers with the ace card on pay offer and more on benefits 700,000 don't "come in boats" though. Only about 5% of that total do. The other 95% are here perfectly legally having passed all Home Office requirements.
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 17:43:32 GMT
It's almost as if it would make sense to process the people in these hotels to allow them to work and contribute to society. However if we did that the governments mates would lose out on millions of pounds worth of public money. Don't expect the Daily Mail to tell you this any time soon 😉 You cant though can you when theyve come in boats, it's a national security risk, they dont come with passports and i.d. Assuming ( on the very slim chance) they're all workers of course What happens when the jobs dry up and we go into recession? 700'000 net migration forecast this week. More competition for your job = employers with the ace card on pay offer and more on benefits And the worst effected areas will be low paid shitholes like s-o-warehouse
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2023 17:43:53 GMT
It's almost as if it would make sense to process the people in these hotels to allow them to work and contribute to society. However if we did that the governments mates would lose out on millions of pounds worth of public money. Don't expect the Daily Mail to tell you this any time soon 😉 You cant though can you when theyve come in boats, it's a national security risk, they dont come with passports and i.d. Assuming ( on the very slim chance) they're all workers of course What happens when the jobs dry up and we go into recession? 700'000 net migration forecast this week. More competition for your job = employers with the ace card on pay offer and more on benefits It's been shown to you already that immigrant migration is a net positive that could help with these costs you seem to incessantly whinge about. The illegal ones are a tiny percentage of this. Again, don't expect the Daily Mail (or GBeebies) to tell you this any time soon.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 22, 2023 17:44:29 GMT
I think higher taxes for everyone are inevitable but nobody dares talk honestly about it. We have an ageing population and a reducing birth-rate - a double whammy that has no easy fix. I’ll give you the easy fix. Make the record numbers of billionaires and multimillionaires who profited enormously during covid and the cost of living crisis pay a small percentage of their massive profits to fund better public services. A wealth tax of 1 or 2 percent for anyone worth over £10m, at the same time as regulating to ensure people cannot hide behind businesses, would raise a huge amount. Easier said than done imo - extracting money after its been given is a far more difficult prospect. They wont simply have a pile of cash, it'll be diversified into all sorts of assets.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2023 17:46:28 GMT
I’ll give you the easy fix. Make the record numbers of billionaires and multimillionaires who profited enormously during covid and the cost of living crisis pay a small percentage of their massive profits to fund better public services. A wealth tax of 1 or 2 percent for anyone worth over £10m, at the same time as regulating to ensure people cannot hide behind businesses, would raise a huge amount. Easier said than done imo - extracting money after its been given is a far more difficult prospect. They wont simply have a pile of cash, it'll be diversified into all sorts of assets. Many other countries do it. We could if there was the will.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2023 17:48:00 GMT
You cant though can you when theyve come in boats, it's a national security risk, they dont come with passports and i.d. Assuming ( on the very slim chance) they're all workers of course What happens when the jobs dry up and we go into recession? 700'000 net migration forecast this week. More competition for your job = employers with the ace card on pay offer and more on benefits 700,000 don't "come in boats" though. Only about 5% of that total do. The other 95% are here perfectly legally having passed all Home Office requirements. And once finally processed, about 2/3rds of those 5% also have a perfectly legal right to come.
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Post by henry on Nov 22, 2023 17:49:37 GMT
I wouldn’t mind paying the Tax/Vat/NI, if it felt like I was getting something back.. every public service is fucking shit, the roads are a joke, but we’re paying out record levels of tax. I mean if there were shiny new hospitals/schools etc it’d be a reasonable compromise. And as for Gully (another leaflet through the door/ straight in the bin) about how he’s transforming tunstall library and swimming baths.. his party shut the things! When you actually sit back and think of all the money in taxes/vat/road tax and all the other taxes that they’re taking in, I mean where the hell does it all go🤷🏼♂️ serious question?? Yep, they've been shit for ages, will continue to be shit, and when Labour get in they will be just as shit. At least this time next year i will be £400 better off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 17:49:57 GMT
When has the world ever been any different? People could go “off grid”, build their own house, kill their own animals etc, but essentially they’d still work all day to just get by. It’s life. Everything keeps going up in price though, we're supposed to be a rich country, the country might be rich but the people that make it tick are not. I suppose you've got to pay for our guests in 4* hotels and somebody elses wars somehow though If the govt decided to go after the BILLIONS in Covid fraud from their mates, the country would be better off. Inflation might ease as well. Regarding the 4* hotels, it would simply be cheaper to pay for more staff to process claims. The govt don’t want to do that. They want to make a backlog so that they can moan about the backlog they’ve created and somehow try to direct blame elsewhere while sending more public money to their mates. Hire more people to process claims and the backlog goes away. It’s a ridiculously simple solution to the problem. The vast majority (over 90%) of immigration last year was through visas. These people are not staying in hotels funded by taxpayers. There are 50,000 asylum seekers in hotels. That’s a backlog of years worth of processing as well. In contrast, there was over 600,000 net migration in the UK. Thus, most are visas.
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 17:50:52 GMT
You cant though can you when theyve come in boats, it's a national security risk, they dont come with passports and i.d. Assuming ( on the very slim chance) they're all workers of course What happens when the jobs dry up and we go into recession? 700'000 net migration forecast this week. More competition for your job = employers with the ace card on pay offer and more on benefits It's been shown to you already that immigrant migration is a net positive that could help with these costs you seem to incessantly whinge about. The illegal ones are a tiny percentage of this. Again, don't expect the Daily Mail (or GBeebies) to tell you this any time soon. I'm not privy to it myself and you don't fill me with confidence saying ' "could" help ' given how extremely bias you are. It'll be the low paid shitholes like Stoke-on-warehouse that these unknown boat people will be told to settle, they won't be competing for top paid jobs I'll promise you that much or they'd have come in legally. Stoke-on-Stan or ironically S.o.S for short. The next Bradford & Oldham. I'll be in Aus anyway laughing at you in my flip flops
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2023 18:03:42 GMT
It's been shown to you already that immigrant migration is a net positive that could help with these costs you seem to incessantly whinge about. The illegal ones are a tiny percentage of this. Again, don't expect the Daily Mail (or GBeebies) to tell you this any time soon. I'm not privy to it myself and you don't fill me with confidence saying ' "could" help ' given how extremely bias you are. It'll be the low paid shitholes like Stoke-on-warehouse that these unknown boat people will be told to settle, they won't be competing for top paid jobs I'll promise you that much or they'd have come in legally. Stoke-on-Stan or ironically S.o.S for short. I'll be in Aus anyway laughing at you in my flip flops Oh yes, I forgot, you're planning on being an immigrant.. To be fair it seems you do need something to cheer you up, let's hope they print the Daily Mail over there to complete your utopia.
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Post by gawa on Nov 22, 2023 18:04:41 GMT
What's the cliffs of the budget then?
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 18:08:27 GMT
I'm not privy to it myself and you don't fill me with confidence saying ' "could" help ' given how extremely bias you are. It'll be the low paid shitholes like Stoke-on-warehouse that these unknown boat people will be told to settle, they won't be competing for top paid jobs I'll promise you that much or they'd have come in legally. Stoke-on-Stan or ironically S.o.S for short. I'll be in Aus anyway laughing at you in my flip flops Oh yes, I forgot, you're planning on being an immigrant.. To be fair it seems you do need something to cheer you up, let's hope they print the Daily Mail over there to complete your utopia. Haha, you must be joking, I don't read newspapers or an avid watcher of the bad news at 10, I do however follow good ol' Nigel Farage, bleeds red, white & Blue, him. Not even brought a Sentinel since it was 28 pence
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 22, 2023 18:11:45 GMT
What's the cliffs of the budget then? Same as normal really, put into one pocket and pick pocket the other. Rolling tobacco up 10% Freeze on booze
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2023 18:21:51 GMT
Oh yes, I forgot, you're planning on being an immigrant.. To be fair it seems you do need something to cheer you up, let's hope they print the Daily Mail over there to complete your utopia. Haha, you must be joking, I don't read newspapers or an avid watcher of the news, I do however follow good ol' Nigel Farage, bleeds red, white & Blue, him. Not even brought a Sentinel since it was 28 pence From the video I saw about that 'English' 'Gent' it seems he's more likely to bleed black, red and gold 😄 I suspect you'll still be making full use of the online Mail, you do seem quite a fan, one of the few left in fact that actually believe the tripe they publish.
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