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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 9:03:03 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 9:04:21 GMT
Good news that Sunak has hit his target of halving inflation by the end of this year. Prices are still increasing quickly, but just not as quickly as this time last year. Sunak didn’t do anything to hit this target. A doormat could have hit the target. It was inevitable the Bank of England would increase interest rates and prices couldn’t then keep increasing at the rate they were this time last year (which is the comparative factor remember). Anyway, over the past two years, the cost of energy has increased by 49% while food prices have risen by 28% – far greater than the 14% increase in average earnings over this period. Yet energy costs not much more for the suppliers than it did 2 years ago….their profits have massively increased and Subak has decided not to tax those profits properly to take from the super rich and give to the general population. The fall in inflation simply means prices are rising still just not as quickly (as you point out). It also has fuck all to do with Government.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 9:07:58 GMT
When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. For the last 3 years or more the Tories are the gift that keeps on giving and anything but a labour landslide would be an abject failure for Starmer and his nest of imbeciles imo. This country is generally right wing and come the next general election they will do ok in my opinion. Labour look good in the polls now but around election time the media will noticably shift and become more pro conservative to protect the gravy train they are all in on.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 9:12:15 GMT
When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. Anybody who votes tory after the 13 years we've 'enjoyed' under them needs their head testing. The list of reasons to hate the b@stards reads like a shopping list it's too long to have time to put into words. They're currently a group of unelected parasites refusing to give the public the opportunity of a G.E to get rid. Reform U.K all the way, these two parties red & blue are exactly that, having a party at our expense and the thick electorate keeps picking one of the same two. The tory manifesto seems to be biasly pointing out labour's unideal ideas instead of good things they do themselves, in short they have absolutely nothing to shout about after 13 years in office I don't see the difference with Reform, they just look like an alternative Tory party which means they will be the same. They will line their pockets as quickly as they can and scarper.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2023 9:13:09 GMT
When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. For the last 3 years or more the Tories are the gift that keeps on giving and anything but a labour landslide would be an abject failure for Starmer and his nest of imbeciles imo. Or, to go from an 80 seat majority to losing the next election would be the biggest failure of any political party in this country ever. For Labour to win back seats in the red wall, win back much of Scotland and manage to make up a majority it would be a monumental achievement by them. But you are absolutely right that voting Tory at the last election was a huge mistake for all those that did. Many things would have been bad under Corbyn perhaps, but at least he would have done what he could to protect the poor and vulnerable at the expense of the rich during a crippling cost of living crisis and covid pandemic, rather than protect the rich at the expense of all others which is what the tories have done.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 15, 2023 9:21:25 GMT
He’s got a good heart, bless him.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 9:26:49 GMT
He’s got a good heart, bless him. Saw what you did there mate...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 9:27:24 GMT
Anybody who votes tory after the 13 years we've 'enjoyed' under them needs their head testing. The list of reasons to hate the b@stards reads like a shopping list it's too long to have time to put into words. They're currently a group of unelected parasites refusing to give the public the opportunity of a G.E to get rid. Reform U.K all the way, these two parties red & blue are exactly that, having a party at our expense and the thick electorate keeps picking one of the same two. The tory manifesto seems to be biasly pointing out labour's unideal ideas instead of good things they do themselves, in short they have absolutely nothing to shout about after 13 years in office I don't see the difference with Reform, they just look like an alternative Tory party which means they will be the same. They will line their pockets as quickly as they can and scarper. Bit like the tories but with more of a Nazi vibe going down...
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 9:37:07 GMT
For the last 3 years or more the Tories are the gift that keeps on giving and anything but a labour landslide would be an abject failure for Starmer and his nest of imbeciles imo. Or, to go from an 80 seat majority to losing the next election would be the biggest failure of any political party in this country ever. For Labour to win back seats in the red wall, win back much of Scotland and manage to make up a majority it would be a monumental achievement by them. But you are absolutely right that voting Tory at the last election was a huge mistake for all those that did. Many things would have been bad under Corbyn perhaps, but at least he would have done what he could to protect the poor and vulnerable at the expense of the rich during a crippling cost of living crisis and covid pandemic, rather than protect the rich at the expense of all others which is what the tories have done. Voting Tory is always a mistake, they are a party based on greed. They sow division and drive wedges between people whatever their background, young and old, wherever they can to get votes. Success comes from people working together which the Tories are against. It seems they think people should serve. Tories fear unity, that's why they hate unions, people and workers having any power. Communities can't thrive under the Tories when people have so many different reasons for hating their neighbour and they are the driving force for it all.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 9:42:47 GMT
I don't see the difference with Reform, they just look like an alternative Tory party which means they will be the same. They will line their pockets as quickly as they can and scarper. Bit like the tories but with more of a Nazi vibe going down... When it comes down to that decision to put the X next to the Tories or Reform many will bottle it and vote Tory realizing that Reform is no more than a spoilt ballot and a vote for Labour.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 15, 2023 10:18:12 GMT
The government's Rwanda appeal has been dismissed! 👏
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 15, 2023 10:54:27 GMT
For the last 3 years or more the Tories are the gift that keeps on giving and anything but a labour landslide would be an abject failure for Starmer and his nest of imbeciles imo. Or, to go from an 80 seat majority to losing the next election would be the biggest failure of any political party in this country ever. For Labour to win back seats in the red wall, win back much of Scotland and manage to make up a majority it would be a monumental achievement by them. But you are absolutely right that voting Tory at the last election was a huge mistake for all those that did. Many things would have been bad under Corbyn perhaps, but at least he would have done what he could to protect the poor and vulnerable at the expense of the rich during a crippling cost of living crisis and covid pandemic, rather than protect the rich at the expense of all others which is what the tories have done. I never said that did I? Hindsight is a fine art and the millions that did, including me, did so because we were sick to the back teeth of the Brexit process, whether you were for or against, taking so much parliamentary time and Boris's "let’s get it done" resonated with many many voters including traditional labour strongholds in the so called red wall. I never regretted voting Tories at the time the same as I would never regret not voting labour. Roll forward 4 years with the mess that two unelected PMs have made plus Boris eventually making a fool of himself mostly outside of the political decision making arena leaves me, and probably many other dyed in the wool Tories, with the dilemma of who to vote for in the next GE. Sunak has been too focussed on the economy imo at the expense of other important issues some of which were in Boris's 2019 manifesto and some that have emerged since. For example it seems Suella Braverman was correct in her letter to the PM when she urged him to have a plan B, which he wouldn’t, if the Rwanda project was rejected by the Supreme Court or we would be back to starting point. This has now happened. I don’t agree that a victory would be a "monumental achievement" given the state of the Tories, and SNP for that matter, which should hand them the expected landslide. In 52 years as a voter I’ve never felt more in the political wilderness than I do at present.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 11:16:38 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 15, 2023 11:34:30 GMT
Oh dear oh dear tories lose in court yet again Rwanda scheme us illegal
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 11:46:39 GMT
Oh dear oh dear tories lose in court yet again Rwanda scheme us illegal It was never meant to pass. You can't tell me the Tories with all their lawyers did not know this was a non starter. They are just constantly playing a game with people.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 15, 2023 11:51:41 GMT
Oh dear oh dear tories lose in court yet again Rwanda scheme us illegal It was never meant to pass. You can't tell me the Tories with all their lawyers did not know this was a non starter. They are just constantly playing a game with people. But they'll say they have the policies but are hamstrung by 'lefty lawyers' having the audacity to uphold the law. They'll also use the word woke.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 15, 2023 12:00:40 GMT
Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish. Although I think it is an immoral policy, in some ways I want the Supreme Court to allow deportation to Rwanda. Then, when 300 fly there in February next year and the boats haven’t stopped, everyone can see the policy for what it is. A way to stoke the culture wars. It will have no meaningful impact whatsoever on boat crossings as it will deport a few thousand a year, maximum. What about the other 40,000 who cross each year? Indeed, and if immigration bothers people, what about the 600,000 that they let in perfectly willingly last year that they had every power to say no to, presumably? This is the frustrating thing with the British electorate, so easily duped into ways of thinking by a concerted campaign by government and the Tory tabloid press. Brexit was won on the back of taking back control of our borders. People might argue otherwise, but it was the weaponisation of immigration that really swung things towards Leave. For the next few years after 2016, despite net migration being higher than during pre-referendum years, you heard nothing about immigration at all. It basically disappeared from political and public consciousness. It was suddenly a non-issue. Of course, because it no longer needed to be used as an issue. And the government had no intention of reducing numbers so they didn't want any light shed on that. Why do we now have people going nuts about 40,000 people in boats? Why do we now have a new Home Secretary whose first utterance was about stopping boats? Because it's time to weaponise foreigners again. Simple as that. It's such a tawdry and shameful tactic, but you can see why the Tories do it, because it works so easily with a sizeable slab of the population. People really need to wake up to when they're being played for purely political ends about something that really isn't making much difference. 40,000 'illegals' versus 600,000 rubber-stamped. I mean, come on!
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 12:12:57 GMT
Lies With Rishi on live now. Don't miss it lads.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 15, 2023 12:17:49 GMT
Although I think it is an immoral policy, in some ways I want the Supreme Court to allow deportation to Rwanda. Then, when 300 fly there in February next year and the boats haven’t stopped, everyone can see the policy for what it is. A way to stoke the culture wars. It will have no meaningful impact whatsoever on boat crossings as it will deport a few thousand a year, maximum. What about the other 40,000 who cross each year? Indeed, and if immigration bothers people, what about the 600,000 that they let in perfectly willingly last year that they had every power to say no to, presumably? This is the frustrating thing with the British electorate, so easily duped into ways of thinking by a concerted campaign by government and the Tory tabloid press. Brexit was won on the back of taking back control of our borders. People might argue otherwise, but it was the weaponisation of immigration that really swung things towards Leave. For the next few years after 2016, despite net migration being higher than during pre-referendum years, you heard nothing about immigration at all. It basically disappeared from political and public consciousness. It was suddenly a non-issue. Of course, because it no longer needed to be used as an issue. And the government had no intention of reducing numbers so they didn't want any light shed on that. Why do we now have people going nuts about 40,000 people in boats? Why do we now have a new Home Secretary whose first utterance was about stopping boats? Because it's time to weaponise foreigners again. Simple as that. It's such a tawdry and shameful tactic, but you can see why the Tories do it, because it works so easily with a sizeable slab of the population. People really need to wake up to when they're being played for purely political ends about something that really isn't making much difference. 40,000 'illegals' versus 600,000 rubber-stamped. I mean, come on! We need immigration to fund the state pension Ponzi scheme - a declining birth-rate and ageing population spells disaster so we import taxable workers. It's either that or massively increase the tax burden on everyone. I don't know why politicians don't explain this to the electorate. It's not a unique situation to the UK, it's an issue effecting most of the developed world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 12:19:23 GMT
Or, to go from an 80 seat majority to losing the next election would be the biggest failure of any political party in this country ever. For Labour to win back seats in the red wall, win back much of Scotland and manage to make up a majority it would be a monumental achievement by them. But you are absolutely right that voting Tory at the last election was a huge mistake for all those that did. Many things would have been bad under Corbyn perhaps, but at least he would have done what he could to protect the poor and vulnerable at the expense of the rich during a crippling cost of living crisis and covid pandemic, rather than protect the rich at the expense of all others which is what the tories have done. I never said that did I? Hindsight is a fine art and the millions that did, including me, did so because we were sick to the back teeth of the Brexit process, whether you were for or against, taking so much parliamentary time and Boris's "let’s get it done" resonated with many many voters including traditional labour strongholds in the so called red wall. I never regretted voting Tories at the time the same as I would never regret not voting labour. Roll forward 4 years with the mess that two unelected PMs have made plus Boris eventually making a fool of himself mostly outside of the political decision making arena leaves me, and probably many other dyed in the wool Tories, with the dilemma of who to vote for in the next GE. Sunak has been too focussed on the economy imo at the expense of other important issues some of which were in Boris's 2019 manifesto and some that have emerged since. For example it seems Suella Braverman was correct in her letter to the PM when she urged him to have a plan B, which he wouldn’t, if the Rwanda project was rejected by the Supreme Court or we would be back to starting point. This has now happened. I don’t agree that a victory would be a "monumental achievement" given the state of the Tories, and SNP for that matter, which should hand them the expected landslide. In 52 years as a voter I’ve never felt more in the political wilderness than I do at present. Thanks for sharing. What would you say your 5-10 biggest concerns are and what kind of policies would you be in favour of to address them?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 15, 2023 12:27:29 GMT
When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish.Disagree with you on that. Suella had already asked Sunak to approve a Plan B as she was concerned that the Supreme Court would dismiss her appeal saying that this would run the risk of putting the policy of stopping the boats back to square one. The only person to look twattish is the PM. BTW the dismissal of her appeal by SC was not based of politics but the simple fact that there was no safeguards with Rwanda to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers from being deported back to their original country which is illegal. I don’t think this is the end of the Rwanda project if cleverly gets his head around the refoulement issue.
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 12:35:57 GMT
Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish.Disagree with you on that. Suella had already asked Sunak to approve a Plan B as she was concerned that the Supreme Court would dismiss her appeal saying that this would run the risk of putting the policy of stopping the boats back to square one. The only person to look twattish is the PM. BTW the dismissal of her appeal by SC was not based of politics but the simple fact that there was no safeguards with Rwanda to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers from being deported back to their original country which is illegal. I don’t think this is the end of the Rwanda project if cleverly gets his head around the refoulement issue. Out of interest what was Suellas Plan B? Did she have one or is she trying to blame Sunak for her failings? It's just words again. She's been in the position over a year, why did she wait till she's sacked to mention these plan B concerns when it felt like she never had a plan b to begin with. She speaks a load of shite. Opportunist. She overseen record levels of immigration that's the only fact here.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 15, 2023 13:16:41 GMT
Honestly it's like a school playground every fucking week.
Get asked a question, divert, deflect finish off with a dig about Corbyn. Rinse and repeat
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2023 13:38:25 GMT
Or, to go from an 80 seat majority to losing the next election would be the biggest failure of any political party in this country ever. For Labour to win back seats in the red wall, win back much of Scotland and manage to make up a majority it would be a monumental achievement by them. But you are absolutely right that voting Tory at the last election was a huge mistake for all those that did. Many things would have been bad under Corbyn perhaps, but at least he would have done what he could to protect the poor and vulnerable at the expense of the rich during a crippling cost of living crisis and covid pandemic, rather than protect the rich at the expense of all others which is what the tories have done. I never said that did I? Hindsight is a fine art and the millions that did, including me, did so because we were sick to the back teeth of the Brexit process, whether you were for or against, taking so much parliamentary time and Boris's "let’s get it done" resonated with many many voters including traditional labour strongholds in the so called red wall. I never regretted voting Tories at the time the same as I would never regret not voting labour. Roll forward 4 years with the mess that two unelected PMs have made plus Boris eventually making a fool of himself mostly outside of the political decision making arena leaves me, and probably many other dyed in the wool Tories, with the dilemma of who to vote for in the next GE. Sunak has been too focussed on the economy imo at the expense of other important issues some of which were in Boris's 2019 manifesto and some that have emerged since. For example it seems Suella Braverman was correct in her letter to the PM when she urged him to have a plan B, which he wouldn’t, if the Rwanda project was rejected by the Supreme Court or we would be back to starting point. This has now happened. I don’t agree that a victory would be a "monumental achievement" given the state of the Tories, and SNP for that matter, which should hand them the expected landslide. In 52 years as a voter I’ve never felt more in the political wilderness than I do at present. Sounds like buyer’s remorse to me. When has the opposition overturned such a large majority?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2023 13:48:55 GMT
Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish.Disagree with you on that. Suella had already asked Sunak to approve a Plan B as she was concerned that the Supreme Court would dismiss her appeal saying that this would run the risk of putting the policy of stopping the boats back to square one. The only person to look twattish is the PM. BTW the dismissal of her appeal by SC was not based of politics but the simple fact that there was no safeguards with Rwanda to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers from being deported back to their original country which is illegal. I don’t think this is the end of the Rwanda project if cleverly gets his head around the refoulement issue. Suella wrote on page one of her illegal migration bill that the bill was unlawful. She is an absolute joke. She knew it was unlawful and yet she litigated and lost. How much money has been wasted on this policy which never would have stopped the boats anyway!?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2023 13:50:05 GMT
Disagree with you on that. Suella had already asked Sunak to approve a Plan B as she was concerned that the Supreme Court would dismiss her appeal saying that this would run the risk of putting the policy of stopping the boats back to square one. The only person to look twattish is the PM. BTW the dismissal of her appeal by SC was not based of politics but the simple fact that there was no safeguards with Rwanda to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers from being deported back to their original country which is illegal. I don’t think this is the end of the Rwanda project if cleverly gets his head around the refoulement issue. Out of interest what was Suellas Plan B? Did she have one or is she trying to blame Sunak for her failings? It's just words again. She's been in the position over a year, why did she wait till she's sacked to mention these plan B concerns when it felt like she never had a plan b to begin with. She speaks a load of shite. Opportunist. She overseen record levels of immigration that's the only fact here. It was to leave the convention on human rights. Which the Supreme Court said in their judgment would not make the act lawful.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 15, 2023 13:50:25 GMT
You missed it gawa Corbyn with a question. Gullis being a prick as per and shaking his head at his answer.
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 13:52:48 GMT
You missed it gawa Corbyn with a question. Gullis being a prick as per and shaking his head at his answer. On PMQs? I record it and watch it most weeks but I don't recall corbyn asking anything. Mind you my recording always finishes early.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 15, 2023 13:57:57 GMT
You missed it gawa Corbyn with a question. Gullis being a prick as per and shaking his head at his answer. On PMQs? I record it and watch it most weeks but I don't recall corbyn asking anything. Mind you my recording always finishes early. Aye. Guest appearance from JC.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 15, 2023 14:17:34 GMT
Oh dear oh dear tories lose in court yet again Rwanda scheme us illegal It was never meant to pass. You can't tell me the Tories with all their lawyers did not know this was a non starter. They are just constantly playing a game with people. And it's another way for them to divert tax payers money
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