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Post by LDE76 on Nov 14, 2023 17:57:04 GMT
Imagine the shit that is currently being dug out about Braverman...I doubt it's just going to be a one way shit-throwing contest. Imagine, if she hasn't already said the quiet part(s) out loud...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 14, 2023 17:57:18 GMT
Imagine the shit that is currently being dug out about Braverman...I doubt it's just going to be a one way shit-throwing contest. It feels like this entire government has just been one blue on blue attack after another, and all the while the country goes down the shitter. NHS waiting lists grow, inflation remains stubbornly high, immigration runs at 600,000 a year, there is zero growth while the EU and eurozone outperform us, people can't afford their energy bills etc etc. Meanwhile, all the Tories care about is their own personal political advancement, whether they get into the Lords or not, how they can bring down the current prime minister etc, they really don't give the slightest of shits about doing what's right for the country. I really hope that doesn't happen and Sunak simply removes the Whip. But yes the calibre of MP's that we now have in the cabinet since Johnson became PM is quite shocking but I guess it was always put together in his own image. My guess is that sacking her will be enough for him. She's had her say now. Once this letter fades in a few days time, she'll start to look petty and vindictive if and when she keeps going. The next few months will be interesting from her perspective. What would have made things very uncomfortable for Sunak is if Braverman got together with Johnson to try to present an alternative leadership team. Bozo is no longer an MP of course but could be eyeing up the sex pest Peter Bone's Wellingborough seat if a recall petition is successful there. The Tories won't fracture. They're not that stupid. They know that having one right of centre party guarantees them power on a regular basis. The ambitious figures in the party would rather see the party lose the election and then attempt to win the leadership than form a separate group. Which is perhaps when we might see Bozo, Braverman et al come back to the fore. Surely not even the Tories are daft enough to remove another leader this close to a general election?
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 14, 2023 18:36:16 GMT
" BLAIM"...The gift that just keeps on giving...Last time you displayed the traits of an illiterate fool you blamed Maggie Thatcher for not giving you an education...You literally could not make it up... He has some health issues mate - lay off him yeah? I ac4ually don't care while hes waiting his time on me glhea laying off others and showing what an idiot he is 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 14, 2023 18:38:36 GMT
He has some health issues mate - lay off him yeah? I ac4ually don't care while hes waiting his time on me glhea laying off others and showing what an idiot he is 🤣🤣🤣 Hope you’re bearing up mate
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Post by andystokey on Nov 14, 2023 18:56:15 GMT
Was it only a few weeks ago at the Party conference that Sunak laughingly advertised himself as the "change candidate", new broom and all that.
Now in the 4 great offices of state we have
Cameron - was the PM 2010-2016 the austerity years.
Hunt - was Secretary of state under Cameron and May 2010 to 2019
Cleverly - Chairman of the Party under Johnson and May, Secretary of state under Truss and Johnson.
I think that's all 13 years covered and all the PMs. New broom and change my arse 🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 19:02:10 GMT
I'm unsure to what extent 'blocking off the ECHR and the HRA' she was planning? She surely can't have meant for the whole nation on all matters? That would seem somewhat suicidal. Mind you if she's prepared to ignore them on one issue.. She just meant just to stop the boats. But it would have been unlawful and lost to a legal challenge. So it would have been utterly pointless and expensive to the taxpayer. You can’t opt out of human rights obligations. You can posture to do so if you are a race-baiting tw*t though. Wonder how much she’ll make on her surely soon to be coming up book tour.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 14, 2023 21:08:52 GMT
I really hope that doesn't happen and Sunak simply removes the Whip. But yes the calibre of MP's that we now have in the cabinet since Johnson became PM is quite shocking but I guess it was always put together in his own image. My guess is that sacking her will be enough for him. She's had her say now. Once this letter fades in a few days time, she'll start to look petty and vindictive if and when she keeps going. The next few months will be interesting from her perspective. What would have made things very uncomfortable for Sunak is if Braverman got together with Johnson to try to present an alternative leadership team. Bozo is no longer an MP of course but could be eyeing up the sex pest Peter Bone's Wellingborough seat if a recall petition is successful there. The Tories won't fracture. They're not that stupid. They know that having one right of centre party guarantees them power on a regular basis. The ambitious figures in the party would rather see the party lose the election and then attempt to win the leadership than form a separate group. Which is perhaps when we might see Bozo, Braverman et al come back to the fore. Surely not even the Tories are daft enough to remove another leader this close to a general election? MPs are unlikely to trigger another leadership contest but the Conservative members will be calling for it. They are massively out of touch with the rest of the electorate - still rambling on about Brexit betrayals and bizarrely see BoJo as some sort of white knight despite the fact the bloke isn't even that arsed about Brexit, he just used it as a means to be PM.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 14, 2023 21:39:28 GMT
The 'drama' is becoming so predictable now it's tedious.
Tories choose the serial liar and narcissist Johnson for leader, said leader appoints narcissist Dominic Cummings -ends in 'drama'. Johnson era ends in carnage due to Tories choosing the serial liar and narcissist for leader.
Tories turn to the completely batshit Liz Truss for leader, said leader almost trashes the economy in a month -ends in 'drama'.
Tories reluctantly turn to Sunak who appoints previously-sacked Braverman for Home Secretary.....cue dramatic ending.
Throw in the rule-breaking, the incompetence and the awarding of contracts to supporters , and the title of the worst administration ever to have formed the UK government seems to have found a long-term home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 22:06:41 GMT
Barring Brexit, was has their signature policy achievement been since Boris?
This is a genuine question. Whether you agree with their policies (or lack thereof) or not, what do they say is their crowning jewel?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 14, 2023 22:09:34 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 14, 2023 22:15:50 GMT
Different approach being taken by Cleverly if this account is accurate. Actually sounds like he’s acting like a politician:
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Post by gawa on Nov 14, 2023 22:40:37 GMT
Reform have a big chance to capitalise on this, look how close they are to the tories now. A few big tory names deflecting could cause real problems.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 14, 2023 23:08:35 GMT
Reform have a big chance to capitalise on this, look how close they are to the tories now. A few big tory names deflecting could cause real problems. Based on electoral calculus, that's a Labour majority of 462 and the Conservatives in third place behind the Lib Dems, 24 seats to 29.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 14, 2023 23:14:13 GMT
Reform have a big chance to capitalise on this, look how close they are to the tories now. A few big tory names deflecting could cause real problems. It's both ironic and a farce, isn't it. Brexit was basically about preventing the Tory party from fracturing and shedding a load of rightwingers to Ukip. Here we are just seven years later back in the same situation with Reform. The fact that these people pretend to be patriots with the interests of the country and ordinary people at heart is laughable.
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Post by gawa on Nov 14, 2023 23:22:28 GMT
Reform have a big chance to capitalise on this, look how close they are to the tories now. A few big tory names deflecting could cause real problems. It's both ironic and a farce, isn't it. Brexit was basically about preventing the Tory party from fracturing and shedding a load of rightwingers to Ukip. Here we are just seven years later back in the same situation with Reform. The fact that these people pretend to be patriots with the interests of the country and ordinary people at heart is laughable. To be honest the most telling thing for me over the last 12 months is how there's so much in fighting and every time one of them doesn't get their way they spill all the dirt and run to the papers. They're only loyal to themselves and its became ever so telling. How does the conservative party recover? Obviously Suella has her ideology which is much further right than her compatriots but does she really believe that's going to win a majority? Is it just damage limitation now or is there anything they can do to get voters on side? I imagine the autumn budget will be a bit more generous then usual to try and entice voters but after so many failed promises I'm not sure if the wool will be so easily pulled over the eyes.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 15, 2023 0:23:14 GMT
These Tories have been in a state of perpetual civil war, with total disregard for the electorate.
We have had to put up with some shit these last few years and all this lot can be bothered about, is to scrap amongst themselves.
Self-indulgent narcissists, the lot of them.
Edit: The appointment of someone who is not even an MP as Foreign Secretary at a time of international conflicts is beggars belief really!
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Post by wannabee on Nov 15, 2023 1:37:25 GMT
I'm unsure to what extent 'blocking off the ECHR and the HRA' she was planning? She surely can't have meant for the whole nation on all matters? That would seem somewhat suicidal. Mind you if she's prepared to ignore them on one issue.. She just meant just to stop the boats. But it would have been unlawful and lost to a legal challenge. So it would have been utterly pointless and expensive to the taxpayer. You can’t opt out of human rights obligations. Who knows what the morrow may bring It would be a Ballsy move, but if the Supreme Court rules against the Governments Rwanda Policy there is nothing to stop the Government taking a case to ECHR to overturn and uphold it's position Traditionally ECHR does not tend to overturn Domestic Legislation and the Illegal Immigration Act is now in place in UK Law It would be bizarre but I wouldn't rule it out
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Post by wannabee on Nov 15, 2023 1:56:16 GMT
I really hope that doesn't happen and Sunak simply removes the Whip. But yes the calibre of MP's that we now have in the cabinet since Johnson became PM is quite shocking but I guess it was always put together in his own image. My guess is that sacking her will be enough for him. She's had her say now. Once this letter fades in a few days time, she'll start to look petty and vindictive if and when she keeps going. The next few months will be interesting from her perspective. What would have made things very uncomfortable for Sunak is if Braverman got together with Johnson to try to present an alternative leadership team. Bozo is no longer an MP of course but could be eyeing up the sex pest Peter Bone's Wellingborough seat if a recall petition is successful there. The Tories won't fracture. They're not that stupid. They know that having one right of centre party guarantees them power on a regular basis. The ambitious figures in the party would rather see the party lose the election and then attempt to win the leadership than form a separate group. Which is perhaps when we might see Bozo, Braverman et al come back to the fore. Surely not even the Tories are daft enough to remove another leader this close to a general election? Braverman is delusional if she ever thought she had a chance of Leadership of the Conservative Party in or out of Office Her fate was sealed when she conceded "No Contest" to Rishi's Coronation She has merely been a stalking Horse for the real Champion of the Right like Kemi to emerge, but she is too stupid and blinded by ambition to even realise it. The Puppeteers in Tufting Street are not stupid enough not to know that on their record in Government a 5th Election Victory was never going to happen so they can Bide their time and regroup It's a temporary blip and after all they control the Levers of Power such that any fundamental change is not possible
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Post by wannabee on Nov 15, 2023 2:15:48 GMT
It's actually a Memorandum of Understanding i.e. not binding Agreement similar to the Rwanda "Deal" It circumvents having to be debated in House of Commons where it would be greeted with the derision it deserves Federal States can not lower Tariffs and can only try and facilitate import of Services but not Goods. They are about as useful as Tits on a Bull It's a conjuring trick in an attempt to disguise that the big Brexit Prize, a Trade Deal with US was always a non starter
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 6:13:12 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 15, 2023 6:42:45 GMT
Even the mail has turned blue on blue but my favourite headline is the mirrors the tories are revolting 😁😁😆
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 7:06:58 GMT
It's both ironic and a farce, isn't it. Brexit was basically about preventing the Tory party from fracturing and shedding a load of rightwingers to Ukip. Here we are just seven years later back in the same situation with Reform. The fact that these people pretend to be patriots with the interests of the country and ordinary people at heart is laughable. To be honest the most telling thing for me over the last 12 months is how there's so much in fighting and every time one of them doesn't get their way they spill all the dirt and run to the papers. They're only loyal to themselves and its became ever so telling. How does the conservative party recover? Obviously Suella has her ideology which is much further right than her compatriots but does she really believe that's going to win a majority? Is it just damage limitation now or is there anything they can do to get voters on side? I imagine the autumn budget will be a bit more generous then usual to try and entice voters but after so many failed promises I'm not sure if the wool will be so easily pulled over the eyes. It's impossible for the Tories to successfully run the country when they are all trying to shaft eachother to get to the top spot. Reform are just another Tory party and the same would happen with them. Greed and power is an obsession with right wing party's and they are heavily influencing the public to be more like them. Teamwork is what yields results and the right wing just can't work together with so many people in there who are just interested in advancing themselves and stepping on eachother to get there. They are loyal to nobody not even their friends. The Tories should have been in power for the next 10 or more years but they shoot themselves in the foot by getting involved in backstabbing eachother constantly and loads of corrupt contracts which appears like they are purposely siphoning public money out of the system which in my opinion is what they are doing. It's like they just want to get rich quick because of what's over their shoulder and they take their chances at the ballot box and hope they get given the opportunity to for a few more years screwing the people over. If people had sense the Tory party would never get voted in again. They run on hate and anger and offer nothing but misery.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 15, 2023 7:34:21 GMT
To be honest the most telling thing for me over the last 12 months is how there's so much in fighting and every time one of them doesn't get their way they spill all the dirt and run to the papers. They're only loyal to themselves and its became ever so telling. How does the conservative party recover? Obviously Suella has her ideology which is much further right than her compatriots but does she really believe that's going to win a majority? Is it just damage limitation now or is there anything they can do to get voters on side? I imagine the autumn budget will be a bit more generous then usual to try and entice voters but after so many failed promises I'm not sure if the wool will be so easily pulled over the eyes. It's impossible for the Tories to successfully run the country when they are all trying to shaft eachother to get to the top spot. Reform are just another Tory party and the same would happen with them. Greed and power is an obsession with right wing party's and they are heavily influencing the public to be more like them. Teamwork is what yields results and the right wing just can't work together with so many people in there who are just interested in advancing themselves and stepping on eachother to get there. They are loyal to nobody not even their friends. The Tories should have been in power for the next 10 or more years but they shoot themselves in the foot by getting involved in backstabbing eachother constantly and loads of corrupt contracts which appears like they are purposely siphoning public money out of the system which in my opinion is what they are doing. It's like they just want to get rich quick because of what's over their shoulder and they take their chances at the ballot box and hope they get given the opportunity to for a few more years screwing the people over. If people had sense the Tory party would never get voted in again. They run on hate and anger and offer nothing but misery. It's all down to the FPTP voting system really - the Conservative Party is basically a combination of centrist 'one nation' style Tories, free marketeers and social conservatives all of whom often have very different views. Chuck Brexit into the mix and you have constant friction amongst the various factions. Labour are very much the same with the left, unions and centrist wings often at loggerheads. It's just not exposed in opposition. Starmer is likely going to have a large majority after the next election, the question is whether he is going to be bold enough to actually do anything with it.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 7:47:11 GMT
It's impossible for the Tories to successfully run the country when they are all trying to shaft eachother to get to the top spot. Reform are just another Tory party and the same would happen with them. Greed and power is an obsession with right wing party's and they are heavily influencing the public to be more like them. Teamwork is what yields results and the right wing just can't work together with so many people in there who are just interested in advancing themselves and stepping on eachother to get there. They are loyal to nobody not even their friends. The Tories should have been in power for the next 10 or more years but they shoot themselves in the foot by getting involved in backstabbing eachother constantly and loads of corrupt contracts which appears like they are purposely siphoning public money out of the system which in my opinion is what they are doing. It's like they just want to get rich quick because of what's over their shoulder and they take their chances at the ballot box and hope they get given the opportunity to for a few more years screwing the people over. If people had sense the Tory party would never get voted in again. They run on hate and anger and offer nothing but misery. It's all down to the FPTP voting system really - the Conservative Party is basically a combination of centrist 'one nation' style Tories, free marketeers and social conservatives all of whom often have very different views. Chuck Brexit into the mix and you have constant friction amongst the various factions. Labour are very much the same with the left, unions and centrist wings often at loggerheads. It's just not exposed in opposition. Starmer is likely going to have a large majority after the next election, the question is whether he is going to be bold enough to actually do anything with it. When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 15, 2023 7:58:02 GMT
It's all down to the FPTP voting system really - the Conservative Party is basically a combination of centrist 'one nation' style Tories, free marketeers and social conservatives all of whom often have very different views. Chuck Brexit into the mix and you have constant friction amongst the various factions. Labour are very much the same with the left, unions and centrist wings often at loggerheads. It's just not exposed in opposition. Starmer is likely going to have a large majority after the next election, the question is whether he is going to be bold enough to actually do anything with it. When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 15, 2023 8:18:45 GMT
It's all down to the FPTP voting system really - the Conservative Party is basically a combination of centrist 'one nation' style Tories, free marketeers and social conservatives all of whom often have very different views. Chuck Brexit into the mix and you have constant friction amongst the various factions. Labour are very much the same with the left, unions and centrist wings often at loggerheads. It's just not exposed in opposition. Starmer is likely going to have a large majority after the next election, the question is whether he is going to be bold enough to actually do anything with it. When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. For the last 3 years or more the Tories are the gift that keeps on giving and anything but a labour landslide would be an abject failure for Starmer and his nest of imbeciles imo.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 8:30:06 GMT
When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish. I can't remember if it's her plan but surely she would know if this plan would pass. Maybe she wanted out of the cabinet because she knows the result would look bad on her and dent her chances of running for PM. She went on a sabotage mission the last couple of weeks just before the verdict was in. Who knows what games they are up to. There always seems to be people positioning themselves in the Tory party, it's disgusting and quite fascinating.
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 15, 2023 8:57:00 GMT
It's all down to the FPTP voting system really - the Conservative Party is basically a combination of centrist 'one nation' style Tories, free marketeers and social conservatives all of whom often have very different views. Chuck Brexit into the mix and you have constant friction amongst the various factions. Labour are very much the same with the left, unions and centrist wings often at loggerheads. It's just not exposed in opposition. Starmer is likely going to have a large majority after the next election, the question is whether he is going to be bold enough to actually do anything with it. When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. Anybody who votes tory after the 13 years we've 'enjoyed' under them needs their head testing. The list of reasons to hate the b@stards reads like a shopping list it's too long to have time to put into words. They're currently a group of unelected parasites refusing to give the public the opportunity of a G.E to get rid. Reform U.K all the way, these two parties red & blue are exactly that, having a party at our expense and the thick electorate keeps picking one of the same two. The tory manifesto seems to be biasly pointing out labour's unideal ideas instead of good things they do themselves, in short they have absolutely nothing to shout about after 13 years in office
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2023 8:59:25 GMT
Good news that Sunak has hit his target of halving inflation by the end of this year. Prices are still increasing quickly, but just not as quickly as this time last year. Sunak didn’t do anything to hit this target. A doormat could have hit the target. It was inevitable the Bank of England would increase interest rates and prices couldn’t then keep increasing at the rate they were this time last year (which is the comparative factor remember).
Anyway, over the past two years, the cost of energy has increased by 49% while food prices have risen by 28% – far greater than the 14% increase in average earnings over this period.
Yet energy costs not much more for the suppliers than it did 2 years ago….their profits have massively increased and Subak has decided not to tax those profits properly to take from the super rich and give to the general population.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2023 9:02:16 GMT
When the crunch comes the Tories will do better in the election than people think. The media will influence the next election and become less critical of the government and go after Labour a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a hung parliament. Yeah, that's my thinking too. The Tories core vote is rarely much less than 30% at GE time. The current polls may well be much worse than that and entirely reflective of the mood of the country, and understandably so, but at GE time it's likely to be much closer for the reasons you state and simple, unthinking tribal voting patterns. Some good news for the govt at last. Inflation down. Even better news for ordinary people as they deal with the cost of living. That good news may well get dwarfed by the Supreme Court's verdict on Rwanda but if that goes the government's way too poor old Suella will be looking even more twattish. Although I think it is an immoral policy, in some ways I want the Supreme Court to allow deportation to Rwanda. Then, when 300 fly there in February next year and the boats haven’t stopped, everyone can see the policy for what it is. A way to stoke the culture wars. It will have no meaningful impact whatsoever on boat crossings as it will deport a few thousand a year, maximum. What about the other 40,000 who cross each year?
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