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Post by yeokel on Feb 13, 2020 16:36:45 GMT
The UK- run by an unelected wanker because the opposition is run by an unelectable, out of touch racist dinosaur who should have been ditched years ago. Thanks Labour party members. So its all Labours fault? One could argue that the last election was there for the taking by Labour had they been led by someone half competent and seen as trustworthy. The fact is that they blew that opportunity so we ended up with a Tory government that nobody really trusts, including many Tories. So yes, this is all Labour’s fault for having, as said previously, an unelectable, out of touch racist dinosaur who should have been ditched years ago at their head. Who else is there to blame that we are currently saddled with a Tory government?
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Post by Northy on Feb 13, 2020 16:39:43 GMT
Esther Mcvey gone from housing minister, not sure what she's done in that role, not heard anything about it on any news. Maybe its more about what she hasn't done. I imagine Boris had her down for regular role debriefings - maybe she didn't turn up she spent a lot of time going around on the Tory blue collar push
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Post by Northy on Feb 13, 2020 16:42:46 GMT
He was the Chief Secretary to the Treasury and also worked for Goldman Sachs and many hedge funds, so some background in finance Just think, we could have had Mcdonnell who has been an MP for 23 years and has a degree in politics and sociology running the countries finances Sounds like a passage out of Animal Farm. But remember comrades no matter how bad it is now just remember what it was like under Mr Jones,surely you dont want to go back to that? I've no idea what you are on about with animal farm, or your point about Mr. Jones really. is it diversion tactics again as I've pointed out he had other factors to be taken into account which showed up your inaccurate soundbite post ?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 13, 2020 18:00:11 GMT
He literally has a mandate to do whatever he wants within the confines of the law of course, time to start rounding up all the illegals and deporting them will do for starters
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 13, 2020 18:02:53 GMT
Really? That article suggests the opposite. It happens all the time. The point of the article (as I read it), is about 'carelessly' losing one so early and history suggests it's rarely good news for a PM when it happens. I don’t think it will make much difference. If anything it makes Johnson more secure in his cabinet. In so much as he has removed, or at least significantly reduced, the friction that can exist between #10 and #11 not because of Javid’s resignation but the merging of their spads. Of course, as you say, it may all end up in a big mess. But it could be a smart move from #10. Time will tell.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 13, 2020 19:22:14 GMT
The point of the article (as I read it), is about 'carelessly' losing one so early and history suggests it's rarely good news for a PM when it happens. I don’t think it will make much difference. If anything it makes Johnson more secure in his cabinet. In so much as he has removed, or at least significantly reduced, the friction that can exist between #10 and #11 not because of Javid’s resignation but the merging of their spads. Of course, as you say, it may all end up in a big mess. But it could be a smart move from #10. Time will tell. I don't think its s great look for a new Government to lose what is really the number 2 in any administration and Javid will have influential allies. My take is is its a hit they're willing to take for their dream of a Trumpian centralisation and control of power. All those promoted owe their positions entirely to Johnson now and what No 10 says goes. No dissent, no debate. When they're looking at amending constitutional arrangements this is a hugely dangerous and undemocratic turn of events.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 13, 2020 19:26:24 GMT
I don’t think it will make much difference. If anything it makes Johnson more secure in his cabinet. In so much as he has removed, or at least significantly reduced, the friction that can exist between #10 and #11 not because of Javid’s resignation but the merging of their spads. Of course, as you say, it may all end up in a big mess. But it could be a smart move from #10. Time will tell. I don't think its s great look for a new Government to lose what is really the number 2 in any administration and Javid will have influential allies. My take is is its a hit they're willing to take for their dream of a Trumpian centralisation and control of power. All those promoted owe their positions entirely to Johnson now and what No 10 says goes. No dissent, no debate. When they're looking at amending constitutional arrangements this is a hugely dangerous and undemocratic turn of events. Go Bo Jo
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 13, 2020 19:28:45 GMT
I don't think its s great look for a new Government to lose what is really the number 2 in any administration and Javid will have influential allies. My take is is its a hit they're willing to take for their dream of a Trumpian centralisation and control of power. All those promoted owe their positions entirely to Johnson now and what No 10 says goes. No dissent, no debate. When they're looking at amending constitutional arrangements this is a hugely dangerous and undemocratic turn of events. Go Bo Jo I thought the idea of dictatorship might appeal to you crappy 😀
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 13, 2020 20:42:26 GMT
Go Bo Jo I thought the idea of dictatorship might appeal to you crappy 😀 Why I voted for Brexit Mo. go Boris sort this shit out
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 13, 2020 21:57:46 GMT
Sounds like a passage out of Animal Farm. But remember comrades no matter how bad it is now just remember what it was like under Mr Jones,surely you dont want to go back to that? I've no idea what you are on about with animal farm, or your point about Mr. Jones really. is it diversion tactics again as I've pointed out he had other factors to be taken into account which showed up your inaccurate soundbite post ? I am actually surprised anyway hes a clue.Read it.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 13, 2020 22:59:54 GMT
I don’t think it will make much difference. If anything it makes Johnson more secure in his cabinet. In so much as he has removed, or at least significantly reduced, the friction that can exist between #10 and #11 not because of Javid’s resignation but the merging of their spads. Of course, as you say, it may all end up in a big mess. But it could be a smart move from #10. Time will tell. I don't think its s great look for a new Government to lose what is really the number 2 in any administration and Javid will have influential allies. My take is is its a hit they're willing to take for their dream of a Trumpian centralisation and control of power. All those promoted owe their positions entirely to Johnson now and what No 10 says goes. No dissent, no debate. When they're looking at amending constitutional arrangements this is a hugely dangerous and undemocratic turn of events. I largely agree with that, and if I were in Boris' shoes, I'd do exactly the same as he's done, get the dirty work done when nobody cares and assert control. We've had very weak government since Blair's third term. and frankly we need strong leadership now more than ever. Having sat through the shit show of the last Parliament, I think people want a leader that's just going to get things done (for good or bad) so my feeling is that the public as a whole will not give a toss about what's happened today.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 0:11:57 GMT
I don't think its s great look for a new Government to lose what is really the number 2 in any administration and Javid will have influential allies. My take is is its a hit they're willing to take for their dream of a Trumpian centralisation and control of power. All those promoted owe their positions entirely to Johnson now and what No 10 says goes. No dissent, no debate. When they're looking at amending constitutional arrangements this is a hugely dangerous and undemocratic turn of events. so my feeling is that the public as a whole will not give a toss about what's happened today. They never do, until they have the need to find some recourse through the courts or help from a union and 'prrrruf', it's gone, in a blaze of blonde haired privilege. Well as long as it doesn't effect me and mine anymore, fuck the rest of you, I'm joining the club, I don't give a shit. Rot under this cunt and rot to death. It's what you voted for. Enjoy.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2020 7:18:29 GMT
I've no idea what you are on about with animal farm, or your point about Mr. Jones really. is it diversion tactics again as I've pointed out he had other factors to be taken into account which showed up your inaccurate soundbite post ? I am actually surprised anyway hes a clue.Read it.
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Post by felonious on Feb 14, 2020 7:38:23 GMT
I don't think its s great look for a new Government to lose what is really the number 2 in any administration and Javid will have influential allies. My take is is its a hit they're willing to take for their dream of a Trumpian centralisation and control of power. All those promoted owe their positions entirely to Johnson now and what No 10 says goes. No dissent, no debate. When they're looking at amending constitutional arrangements this is a hugely dangerous and undemocratic turn of events. I largely agree with that, and if I were in Boris' shoes, I'd do exactly the same as he's done, get the dirty work done when nobody cares and assert control. We've had very weak government since Blair's third term. and frankly we need strong leadership now more than ever. Having sat through the shit show of the last Parliament, I think people want a leader that's just going to get things done (for good or bad) so my feeling is that the public as a whole will not give a toss about what's happened today. Sounds like he wanted the set up that Cameron and Osborne had with a close working relationship between the two parties but Javid didn't want to lose his team. At least he's got a man in there now that he can trust which can only be good for him in the long run.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 14, 2020 8:25:51 GMT
so my feeling is that the public as a whole will not give a toss about what's happened today. They never do, until they have the need to find some recourse through the courts or help from a union and 'prrrruf', it's gone, in a blaze of blonde haired privilege. Well as long as it doesn't effect me and mine anymore, fuck the rest of you, I'm joining the club, I don't give a shit. Rot under this cunt and rot to death. It's what you voted for. Enjoy. From the Guardian (no less): Sterling rises on appointment of Rishi Sunak as UK chancellor“Sterling also rose against the dollar on Thursday, as traders decided the move meant Boris Johnson’s team would have a tighter grip on the Treasury to drive through their infrastructure spending plans, as well as slashing taxes and raising borrowing. They believe it will bolster growth and make an interest rate cut less likely”. In other words, Johnson intends to deliver on his spending commitments. Now I can understand how those on the right might object to this, but the left would usually welcome this news.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 8:29:49 GMT
I largely agree with that, and if I were in Boris' shoes, I'd do exactly the same as he's done, get the dirty work done when nobody cares and assert control. We've had very weak government since Blair's third term. and frankly we need strong leadership now more than ever. Having sat through the shit show of the last Parliament, I think people want a leader that's just going to get things done (for good or bad) so my feeling is that the public as a whole will not give a toss about what's happened today. Sounds like he wanted the set up that Cameron and Osborne had with a close working relationship between the two parties but Javid didn't want to lose his team. At least he's got a man in there now that he can trust control which can only be good for him in the long run.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 8:36:27 GMT
They never do, until they have the need to find some recourse through the courts or help from a union and 'prrrruf', it's gone, in a blaze of blonde haired privilege. Well as long as it doesn't effect me and mine anymore, fuck the rest of you, I'm joining the club, I don't give a shit. Rot under this cunt and rot to death. It's what you voted for. Enjoy. From the Guardian (no less): Sterling rises on appointment of Rishi Sunak as UK chancellor“Sterling also rose against the dollar on Thursday, as traders decided the move meant Boris Johnson’s team would have a tighter grip on the Treasury to drive through their infrastructure spending plans, as well as slashing taxes and raising borrowing. They believe it will bolster growth and make an interest rate cut less likely”. In other words, Johnson intends to deliver on his spending commitments. Now I can understand how those on the right might object to this, but the left would usually welcome this news. The City of London getting excited about the less well off getting something? I doubt it.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 14, 2020 8:56:31 GMT
From the Guardian (no less): Sterling rises on appointment of Rishi Sunak as UK chancellor“Sterling also rose against the dollar on Thursday, as traders decided the move meant Boris Johnson’s team would have a tighter grip on the Treasury to drive through their infrastructure spending plans, as well as slashing taxes and raising borrowing. They believe it will bolster growth and make an interest rate cut less likely”. In other words, Johnson intends to deliver on his spending commitments. Now I can understand how those on the right might object to this, but the left would usually welcome this news. The City of London getting excited about the less well off getting something? I doubt it. But if this change means he delivers on his spending commitments, does that get you excited (or possibly marginally less critical)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 10:09:21 GMT
The City of London getting excited about the less well off getting something? I doubt it. But if this change means he delivers on his spending commitments, does that get you excited (or possibly marginally less critical) My judgement will be based on what happens to Stoke on Trent and with the latest round of cuts making those who have to eat baby food to survive being hit the worst, I won't hold my breath!
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 14, 2020 10:26:41 GMT
But if this change means he delivers on his spending commitments, does that get you excited (or possibly marginally less critical) My judgement will be based on what happens to Stoke on Trent and with the latest round of cuts making those who have to eat baby food to survive being hit the worst, I won't hold my breath! That’s as good a test as any. It’s certainly one Johnson needs to pass.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2020 12:40:38 GMT
They never do, until they have the need to find some recourse through the courts or help from a union and 'prrrruf', it's gone, in a blaze of blonde haired privilege. Well as long as it doesn't effect me and mine anymore, fuck the rest of you, I'm joining the club, I don't give a shit. Rot under this cunt and rot to death. It's what you voted for. Enjoy. From the Guardian (no less): Sterling rises on appointment of Rishi Sunak as UK chancellor“Sterling also rose against the dollar on Thursday, as traders decided the move meant Boris Johnson’s team would have a tighter grip on the Treasury to drive through their infrastructure spending plans, as well as slashing taxes and raising borrowing. They believe it will bolster growth and make an interest rate cut less likely”. In other words, Johnson intends to deliver on his spending commitments. Now I can understand how those on the right might object to this, but the left would usually welcome this news. Quelle surprise, the City are excited about Bonzo(the friend of the bankers)getting his man into No11. The City got excited & rich after the World banking crisis. How much better off are you now than 2008...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 12:56:30 GMT
From the Guardian (no less): Sterling rises on appointment of Rishi Sunak as UK chancellor“Sterling also rose against the dollar on Thursday, as traders decided the move meant Boris Johnson’s team would have a tighter grip on the Treasury to drive through their infrastructure spending plans, as well as slashing taxes and raising borrowing. They believe it will bolster growth and make an interest rate cut less likely”. In other words, Johnson intends to deliver on his spending commitments. Now I can understand how those on the right might object to this, but the left would usually welcome this news. Quelle surprise, the City are excited about Bonzo(the friend of the bankers)getting his man into No11. The City got excited & rich after the World banking crisis. How much better off are you now than 2008... By 2015 the richest in the country including those who caused the crash increased their wealth by two thirds. The poorest errr didn't!
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2020 12:58:40 GMT
They never do, until they have the need to find some recourse through the courts or help from a union and 'prrrruf', it's gone, in a blaze of blonde haired privilege. Well as long as it doesn't effect me and mine anymore, fuck the rest of you, I'm joining the club, I don't give a shit. Rot under this cunt and rot to death. It's what you voted for. Enjoy. From the Guardian (no less): Sterling rises on appointment of Rishi Sunak as UK chancellor“Sterling also rose against the dollar on Thursday, as traders decided the move meant Boris Johnson’s team would have a tighter grip on the Treasury to drive through their infrastructure spending plans, as well as slashing taxes and raising borrowing. They believe it will bolster growth and make an interest rate cut less likely”. In other words, Johnson intends to deliver on his spending commitments. Now I can understand how those on the right might object to this, but the left would usually welcome this news. The merging of spads is not actually that big a deal it was pretty much how it was always done pre the pension thief, it was his insecurity and paranoia that led to the creation of the treasury as a separate kingdom as it is with its briefings, own policies, telling departments no etc. Its job really is to cost and manage government spending not decide on the allocation of that spending.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2020 13:02:17 GMT
Quelle surprise, the City are excited about Bonzo(the friend of the bankers)getting his man into No11. The City got excited & rich after the World banking crisis. How much better off are you now than 2008... By 2015 the richest in the country including those who caused the crash increased their wealth by two thirds. The poorest errr didn't! So what you are saying is that people who lived in big expensive houses got richer as the value of those houses increased which pretty much happens regardless of boom or bust......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 13:13:12 GMT
By 2015 the richest in the country including those who caused the crash increased their wealth by two thirds. The poorest errr didn't! So what you are saying is that people who lived in big expensive houses got richer as the value of those houses increased which pretty much happens regardless of boom or bust...... Interesting isn't it. The same winners always win and not content with that they shored their position up by inflicting austerity and weakest, the poorest and the most vulnerable. What a world.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 14, 2020 16:10:22 GMT
So what you are saying is that people who lived in big expensive houses got richer as the value of those houses increased which pretty much happens regardless of boom or bust...... Interesting isn't it. The same winners always win and not content with that they shored their position up by inflicting austerity and weakest, the poorest and the most vulnerable. What a world. And who was it that got cosy with the city and let them get on with whatever they wanted to do? You can argue about austerity all you like, but let's not airbrush out how we got there in the first place.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 18:59:16 GMT
Interesting isn't it. The same winners always win and not content with that they shored their position up by inflicting austerity and weakest, the poorest and the most vulnerable. What a world. And who was it that got cosy with the city and let them get on with whatever they wanted to do? You can argue about austerity all you like, but let's not airbrush out how we got there in the first place. And all the time the Tories were screaming for more deregulation.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 14, 2020 19:44:37 GMT
And who was it that got cosy with the city and let them get on with whatever they wanted to do? You can argue about austerity all you like, but let's not airbrush out how we got there in the first place. And all the time the Tories were screaming for more deregulation. The City have always cried out for less regulation, and it was Labour that fell for it.
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Post by felonious on Feb 14, 2020 19:45:52 GMT
Sounds like he wanted the set up that Cameron and Osborne had with a close working relationship between the two parties but Javid didn't want to lose his team. At least he's got a man in there now that he can trust control which can only be good for him in the long run. Well with an 80 seat majority he can control whatever he likes. He can put people he trusts into whatever position he likes. It's about time we had a government of whatever flavour able to make some decisions. He wants to follow through on the manifesto let's see what happens after the end of this final frigging Brexit year. At least Labour, the Libdems and the SNP will be an irrelevance mainly thanks to your main man and his awful organisation of hard left wingers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2020 19:58:55 GMT
Well with an 80 seat majority he can control whatever he likes. He can put people he trusts into whatever position he likes. It's about time we had a government of whatever flavour able to make some decisions. He wants to follow through on the manifesto let's see what happens after the end of this final frigging Brexit year. At least Labour, the Libdems and the SNP will be an irrelevance mainly thanks to your main man and his awful organisation of hard left wingers. Thatcher and Blair had bigger majorities and still the Treasury and the Chancellor had power and influence. This is different, this isn't even trying to hide it. No 10 is running number 10 and 11 and most of Whitehall with puppets in place. This is unprecedented in modern times. The Trump playbook in full operation again.
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