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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 7, 2020 19:27:26 GMT
Where the actual £@#& has Mustique Bonzo got to. Is 2wks holiday not enough for him Or is it that now he’s become PM he’s going to hand over the reigns to Cummings... He's not playing any more. His bestie, Donald blew up a darkie without telling him.
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Post by serpico on Jan 7, 2020 19:56:33 GMT
Where the actual £@#& has Mustique Bonzo got to. Is 2wks holiday not enough for him Or is it that now he’s become PM he’s going to hand over the reigns to Cummings... I hope he stays on holiday till this Iran shit blows over... in fact, Take the year off, Boris!
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Post by Northy on Jan 8, 2020 13:22:43 GMT
Where the actual £@#& has Mustique Bonzo got to. Is 2wks holiday not enough for him Or is it that now he’s become PM he’s going to hand over the reigns to Cummings... he's actually delegating, moving away from the 'oooh the PM must comment on everything brigade' let his ministers of the department earn their crust
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2020 13:50:04 GMT
Where the actual £@#& has Mustique Bonzo got to. Is 2wks holiday not enough for him Or is it that now he’s become PM he’s going to hand over the reigns to Cummings... he's actually delegating, moving away from the 'oooh the PM must comment on everything brigade' let his ministers of the department earn their crust Prime Minister's always usurp Cabinet Ministers when it comes to issues like what's going on Iran and so it should be. Sadly, Johnson largely keeping away from it, is a Trump tummy tickling exercise. If a few hundred people die, no harm done eh? We can still but the orange man's bleached chicken and he can still profit from our public services and that's the main thing.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 8, 2020 14:37:59 GMT
he's actually delegating, moving away from the 'oooh the PM must comment on everything brigade' let his ministers of the department earn their crust Prime Minister's always usurp Cabinet Ministers when it comes to issues like what's going on Iran and so it should be. Sadly, Johnson largely keeping away from it, is a Trump tummy tickling exercise. If a few hundred people die, no harm done eh? We can still but the orange man's bleached chicken and he can still profit from our public services and that's the main thing. This is a new type of government. Possibly. It’s a good think though if Johnson continues in this approach.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2020 14:54:38 GMT
Prime Minister's always usurp Cabinet Ministers when it comes to issues like what's going on Iran and so it should be. Sadly, Johnson largely keeping away from it, is a Trump tummy tickling exercise. If a few hundred people die, no harm done eh? We can still but the orange man's bleached chicken and he can still profit from our public services and that's the main thing. This is a new type of government. Possibly. It’s a good think though if Johnson continues in this approach. You think it's a good thing to have Dominic Raab (a man EU negotiators referred to as Le Turnip) running the show!? This is pure Politicking and nothing else. Look over there everyone whilst we assure the right wing orange man we back his illegal action.
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Post by Northy on Jan 8, 2020 16:29:47 GMT
he's actually delegating, moving away from the 'oooh the PM must comment on everything brigade' let his ministers of the department earn their crust Prime Minister's always usurp Cabinet Ministers when it comes to issues like what's going on Iran and so it should be. Sadly, Johnson largely keeping away from it, is a Trump tummy tickling exercise. If a few hundred people die, no harm done eh? We can still but the orange man's bleached chicken and he can still profit from our public services and that's the main thing. Processes can change you know, always can change to sometimes, letting others take the experience.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2020 16:32:26 GMT
Prime Minister's always usurp Cabinet Ministers when it comes to issues like what's going on Iran and so it should be. Sadly, Johnson largely keeping away from it, is a Trump tummy tickling exercise. If a few hundred people die, no harm done eh? We can still but the orange man's bleached chicken and he can still profit from our public services and that's the main thing. Processes can change you know, always can change to sometimes, letting others take the experience. No. Just Johnson doing what he does best, running away, avoiding scrutiny, giving no answers. GET IRAQ DONE! Sometimes meaningless platitudes just don't cut it. I expect more of a Prime Minister but it's exactly what I expect of Johnson.
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Post by Northy on Jan 8, 2020 16:47:53 GMT
Processes can change you know, always can change to sometimes, letting others take the experience. No. Just Johnson doing what he does best, running away, avoiding scrutiny, giving no answers. GET IRAQ DONE! Sometimes meaningless platitudes just don't cut it. I expect more of a Prime Minister but it's exactly what I expect of Johnson. yeh whatever, once you have your claws in someone, no matter what people say you can't see a different opinion
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 8, 2020 18:16:22 GMT
This is a new type of government. Possibly. It’s a good think though if Johnson continues in this approach. You think it's a good thing to have Dominic Raab (a man EU negotiators referred to as Le Turnip) running the show!? This is pure Politicking and nothing else. Look over there everyone whilst we assure the right wing orange man we back his illegal action. I’m not sure I’d pay much attention to insults EU negotiators have directed towards Britain - there’s been too much of that imo. Also, government by cabinet responsibility is something Blair effectively abandoned so an attempt to return to it seems like a reasonable thing for this Government. I think, the bottom line is, you just don’t like Boris Johnson. Whatever he does you will look on in the worst possible light.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2020 19:28:40 GMT
You think it's a good thing to have Dominic Raab (a man EU negotiators referred to as Le Turnip) running the show!? This is pure Politicking and nothing else. Look over there everyone whilst we assure the right wing orange man we back his illegal action. I’m not sure I’d pay much attention to insults EU negotiators have directed towards Britain - there’s been too much of that imo. Also, government by cabinet responsibility is something Blair effectively abandoned so an attempt to return to it seems like a reasonable thing for this Government. I think, the bottom line is, you just don’t like Boris Johnson. Whatever he does you will look on in the worst possible light. Neil just summed the coward up perfectly.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 8:38:58 GMT
Lovely, lovely people.
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Post by Northy on Jan 9, 2020 8:50:34 GMT
She says family, the dub amendment which has been removed said relatives, there is a difference, and there still remains the commitment for them to be reunited. Nothing like a soundbite to jump on is there? DO you know what distance relative they could travel to be reunited with? What parent would leave a child and go to a foreign country thousands of miles away, passing through many safe countries to get there? We all see the many 'children' who got brought here on the last compassion journey didn't we.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 9:05:36 GMT
What does brexit have to do with refugees ? I know france is a bit shit but I still can't see a massive influx of french or EU citizens claiming refugee status once we leave. Any amendment like this should be on a separate bill it was only added because bercow was taking the piss and tried to allow government by remainer committee. Its the sort of the thing the yanks do add on completely unrelated items either as blackmail to get a bill passed or to create optics like this.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 9:14:14 GMT
She says family, the dub amendment which has been removed said relatives, there is a difference, and there still remains the commitment for them to be reunited. Nothing like a soundbite to jump on is there? DO you know what distance relative they could travel to be reunited with? What parent would leave a child and go to a foreign country thousands of miles away, passing through many safe countries to get there? We all see the many 'children' who got brought here on the last compassion journey didn't we. Some claim anecdotal evidence that some parents are so desperate they pay to send their kids with people smugglers to the EU knowing if their kids can then reach the UK they can join them at a later date I honestly doubt people would be that aware of uk laws although its possible the smugglers might. The only real solution may be to only take refugees direct from camps / country they are fleeing rather than those with the sharpest elbows / largest wallets this way the smugglers business is worthless if everyone is returned regardless, think the aussies did similar with the boats that were going there and it pretty much stopped within a matter of months. We should however be taking our share of refugees and in the case of hong kong we should be ready to take the bulk of any refugees.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 10:03:03 GMT
Just seen Barclay blathering on about it now and the same dubious thing they've done with workers rights and standards.
These cunts are beyond fucking contempt.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 10:18:19 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 10:54:38 GMT
Just seen Barclay blathering on about it now and the same dubious thing they've done with workers rights and standards. These cunts are beyond fucking contempt. Goverment explained in one easy tweet, these amendments were allowed to be tagged on by bercow bending the rules we dont have government by committee.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 10:57:15 GMT
I can't believe they havent trained 50,000 nurses in the last 27 days I wont be voting tory again.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 10:58:24 GMT
Just seen Barclay blathering on about it now and the same dubious thing they've done with workers rights and standards. These cunts are beyond fucking contempt. we dont have government by committee. Indeed. We have Government by lies, misdirection and avoidance of scrutiny.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 10:59:20 GMT
I can't believe they havent trained 50,000 nurses in the last 27 days I wont be voting tory again. Yeah they've only been in office for 10 years to achieve the worst waiting times ever. let's be reasonable, eh?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 11:00:34 GMT
we dont have government by committee. Indeed. We have Government by lies, misdirection and avoidance of scrutiny. Nope we have government by the executive as we always have had before bercow, would have been no different under corbyn except you'd be eating your pets in a few more weeks.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 11:09:20 GMT
Indeed. We have Government by lies, misdirection and avoidance of scrutiny. Nope we have government by the executive as we always have had before bercow, would have been no different under corbyn except you'd be eating your pets in a few more weeks. Rather than dying on a trolley in your 80s after waiting 6 hours to see a doctor?
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Post by Northy on Jan 9, 2020 11:17:22 GMT
She says family, the dub amendment which has been removed said relatives, there is a difference, and there still remains the commitment for them to be reunited. Nothing like a soundbite to jump on is there? DO you know what distance relative they could travel to be reunited with? What parent would leave a child and go to a foreign country thousands of miles away, passing through many safe countries to get there? We all see the many 'children' who got brought here on the last compassion journey didn't we. Some claim anecdotal evidence that some parents are so desperate they pay to send their kids with people smugglers to the EU knowing if their kids can then reach the UK they can join them at a later date I honestly doubt people would be that aware of uk laws although its possible the smugglers might. The only real solution may be to only take refugees direct from camps / country they are fleeing rather than those with the sharpest elbows / largest wallets this way the smugglers business is worthless if everyone is returned regardless, think the aussies did similar with the boats that were going there and it pretty much stopped within a matter of months. We should however be taking our share of refugees and in the case of hong kong we should be ready to take the bulk of any refugees. We should be helping them at their source, improving conditions there at the camps, as their countries need skilled people and labourers to help rebuild infrastructure, houses, farms etc. But why won't a lot of their oil rich neighbours take refugees from the camps and give them a good quality of life, or help out at the camps with conditions, funding doctors, schools etc.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 11:36:44 GMT
I can't believe they havent trained 50,000 nurses in the last 27 days I wont be voting tory again. Yeah they've only been in office for 10 years to achieve the worst waiting times ever. let's be reasonable, eh? At the north stafford hospital waiting times were spot on, people dying unnecessarily wasnt so good though so maybe waiting times is not the most important and PS wales is doing even worse despite labour being in charge for much longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:37:55 GMT
Some claim anecdotal evidence that some parents are so desperate they pay to send their kids with people smugglers to the EU knowing if their kids can then reach the UK they can join them at a later date I honestly doubt people would be that aware of uk laws although its possible the smugglers might. The only real solution may be to only take refugees direct from camps / country they are fleeing rather than those with the sharpest elbows / largest wallets this way the smugglers business is worthless if everyone is returned regardless, think the aussies did similar with the boats that were going there and it pretty much stopped within a matter of months. We should however be taking our share of refugees and in the case of hong kong we should be ready to take the bulk of any refugees. We should be helping them at their source, improving conditions there at the camps, as their countries need skilled people and labourers to help rebuild infrastructure, houses, farms etc. But why won't a lot of their oil rich neighbours take refugees from the camps and give them a good quality of life, or help out at the camps with conditions, funding doctors, schools etc. Fair point reference some of the richer countries, but to put things into perspective we have 126,000 recorded refugees which is around 0.19% of the overall UK population or 1.9 per 1000 people. Germany house around 1.2m, Turkey 3.7m, Jordan 2.9m, Lebanon 2m, Pakistan 1.4m and Sudan, Ethiopia, Uganda and Bangladesh around 1m each. 156 out of every 1000 people in Lebanon are refugees, 72 in Jordan, 45 in Turkey, 25 in Sweden, Malta, Chad, Sudan and Uganda.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 11:38:06 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 11:38:40 GMT
Some claim anecdotal evidence that some parents are so desperate they pay to send their kids with people smugglers to the EU knowing if their kids can then reach the UK they can join them at a later date I honestly doubt people would be that aware of uk laws although its possible the smugglers might. The only real solution may be to only take refugees direct from camps / country they are fleeing rather than those with the sharpest elbows / largest wallets this way the smugglers business is worthless if everyone is returned regardless, think the aussies did similar with the boats that were going there and it pretty much stopped within a matter of months. We should however be taking our share of refugees and in the case of hong kong we should be ready to take the bulk of any refugees. We should be helping them at their source, improving conditions there at the camps, as their countries need skilled people and labourers to help rebuild infrastructure, houses, farms etc. But why won't a lot of their oil rich neighbours take refugees from the camps and give them a good quality of life, or help out at the camps with conditions, funding doctors, schools etc. In the middle east some of them do help one particular country without oil does quite alot but that doesnt fit in with most dogooders narrative.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 11:49:42 GMT
We should be helping them at their source, improving conditions there at the camps, as their countries need skilled people and labourers to help rebuild infrastructure, houses, farms etc. But why won't a lot of their oil rich neighbours take refugees from the camps and give them a good quality of life, or help out at the camps with conditions, funding doctors, schools etc. Fair point reference some of the richer countries, but to put things into perspective we have 126,000 recorded refugees which is around 0.19% of the overall UK population or 1.9 per 1000 people. Germany house around 1.2m, Turkey 3.7m, Jordan 2.9m, Lebanon 2m, Pakistan 1.4m and Sudan, Ethiopia, Uganda and Bangladesh around 1m each. 156 out of every 1000 people in Lebanon are refugees, 72 in Jordan, 45 in Turkey, 25 in Sweden, Malta, Chad, Sudan and Uganda..... Not sure those figures are like for like the 126k figure for uk only presumably includes people awaiting permission to stay not those already granted it, the countries with the exception of germany havent taken those people by choice they are just the next safe country nearest a war torn country. Other countries do do much more and the uk should be taking refugees from these countries rather than those who can afford to pay people smugglers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 12:14:38 GMT
Fair point reference some of the richer countries, but to put things into perspective we have 126,000 recorded refugees which is around 0.19% of the overall UK population or 1.9 per 1000 people. Germany house around 1.2m, Turkey 3.7m, Jordan 2.9m, Lebanon 2m, Pakistan 1.4m and Sudan, Ethiopia, Uganda and Bangladesh around 1m each. 156 out of every 1000 people in Lebanon are refugees, 72 in Jordan, 45 in Turkey, 25 in Sweden, Malta, Chad, Sudan and Uganda..... Not sure those figures are like for like the 126k figure for uk only presumably includes people awaiting permission to stay not those already granted it, the countries with the exception of germany havent taken those people by choice they are just the next safe country nearest a war torn country. Other countries do do much more and the uk should be taking refugees from these countries rather than those who can afford to pay people smugglers. All figures were from Amnesty International. It was around 80,000 refugees, 40,000 awaiting asylum and a handful of "stateless persons"
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