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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 12:24:43 GMT
If only there was a way of solving this shit show permanently........??
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 9, 2020 12:46:51 GMT
I see the rail franchises are failing at an increasing rate. Renationalisation of the railways will effectively have been achieved by default at this rate. Another Tory shit show.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 9, 2020 13:31:35 GMT
We should be helping them at their source, improving conditions there at the camps, as their countries need skilled people and labourers to help rebuild infrastructure, houses, farms etc. But why won't a lot of their oil rich neighbours take refugees from the camps and give them a good quality of life, or help out at the camps with conditions, funding doctors, schools etc. Fair point reference some of the richer countries, but to put things into perspective we have 126,000 recorded refugees which is around 0.19% of the overall UK population or 1.9 per 1000 people. Germany house around 1.2m, Turkey 3.7m, Jordan 2.9m, Lebanon 2m, Pakistan 1.4m and Sudan, Ethiopia, Uganda and Bangladesh around 1m each. 156 out of every 1000 people in Lebanon are refugees, 72 in Jordan, 45 in Turkey, 25 in Sweden, Malta, Chad, Sudan and Uganda..... Numbers of refugees has zero correlation to empathy and morality.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 9, 2020 13:35:41 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 9, 2020 13:51:42 GMT
Yeah they've only been in office for 10 years to achieve the worst waiting times ever. let's be reasonable, eh? At the north stafford hospital waiting times were spot on, people dying unnecessarily wasnt so good though so maybe waiting times is not the most important and PS wales is doing even worse despite labour being in charge for much longer. Stoke is not the entire country. Waiting time worst ever on record. www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-waiting-time-patient-delay-emergency-department-a9276366.htmlSo we have people dying and record waiting.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 9, 2020 14:00:53 GMT
But... Wales, under a Labour administration, has the same problem Scotland, under the SNP, the same And this is despite increases in spending across all three countries. Something tells me the problems the NHS face are a little bit more complicated than party politics.
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Post by Northy on Jan 9, 2020 14:01:50 GMT
First line on the report - The number of patients visiting emergency departments in December increased 6.5% on the same month the previous year. Then further down - The NHS experienced its busiest month on record in December 2019, with an unprecedented number of A&E attendances and ambulance call-outs. Nothing to do with 4.5 million new people registering with the NHS and all those who aren't registered using A&E as a GP, and all those fookin people who should be going to the chemist or using a bit of basic home first aid. Oh and the Tories haven't been in power for 10 years as you suggested, it was a coalition for 5 years, then for 3 it was basically a hung parliament (DUP) as you gladly pointed out quite often
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Post by Northy on Jan 9, 2020 14:04:27 GMT
Nope we have government by the executive as we always have had before bercow, would have been no different under corbyn except you'd be eating your pets in a few more weeks. Rather than dying on a trolley in your 80s after waiting 6 hours to see a doctor? or dying in their hundreds at Stafford and drinking water out of flower vases, oh wait ..........
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 14:10:39 GMT
Exactly the level of cowardice and hypocrisy that Neil nailed him on last night
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 14:14:42 GMT
First line on the report - The number of patients visiting emergency departments in December increased 6.5% on the same month the previous year. Then further down - The NHS experienced its busiest month on record in December 2019, with an unprecedented number of A&E attendances and ambulance call-outs. Nothing to do with 4.5 million new people registering with the NHS and all those who aren't registered using A&E as a GP, and all those fookin people who should be going to the chemist or using a bit of basic home first aid. Oh and the Tories haven't been in power for 10 years as you suggested, it was a coalition for 5 years, then for 3 it was basically a hung parliament (DUP) as you gladly pointed out quite often The increase in demand has been factored in for yonks. Imagine knowing all about that demand and getting rid of the bursary. Still at least they were dying on trolleys back then and not piles of coats.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 9, 2020 14:14:53 GMT
Exactly the level of cowardice and hypocrisy that Neil nailed him on last night Didn't watch last night mate but he's been in touch with the big heads in Europe, Trump, Iran, his Foreign Sec has made regular comments and he released an official statement 3 days ago. Not sure what else you want from him??
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Post by Northy on Jan 9, 2020 14:18:12 GMT
Exactly the level of cowardice and hypocrisy that Neil nailed him on last night Didn't watch last night mate but he's been in touch with the big heads in Europe, Trump, Iran, his Foreign Sec has made regular comments and he released an official statement 3 days ago. Not sure what else you want from him?? his resignation I think is the least he wants
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 14:26:26 GMT
Not sure those figures are like for like the 126k figure for uk only presumably includes people awaiting permission to stay not those already granted it, the countries with the exception of germany havent taken those people by choice they are just the next safe country nearest a war torn country. Other countries do do much more and the uk should be taking refugees from these countries rather than those who can afford to pay people smugglers. All figures were from Amnesty International. It was around 80,000 refugees, 40,000 awaiting asylum and a handful of "stateless persons" My point is that that is current refugees who dont have british citizenship, the 30k for example who fled idi amin and came to the uk are not presumably included as they now have british citizenship, at least 1m of the german refugees are from when merkel opened the doors fairly recently and I vaguely remember reading something that compared to the uk the germans make it easier for these refugees to work there but harder to become citizens.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2020 14:28:00 GMT
But... Wales, under a Labour administration, has the same problem Scotland, under the SNP, the same And this is despite increases in spending across all three countries. Something tells me the problems the NHS face are a little bit more complicated than party politics. Indeed have you ever noticed how quickly a free bar with a fixed amount of cash behind it soon runs out....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 9, 2020 14:39:58 GMT
Didn't watch last night mate but he's been in touch with the big heads in Europe, Trump, Iran, his Foreign Sec has made regular comments and he released an official statement 3 days ago. Not sure what else you want from him?? his resignation I think is the least he wants I think he'll have to wait about 10 years for that
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 9, 2020 16:39:43 GMT
Well the answer to any argument on how bad this government have been and bad and grim for the people it could potentially get is. It would be worse with a marxist commie IRA supporting leader of the Labour party blah blah blah.Well the fact is we will never know will we. Just something to ponder on the Labour party have only been in power in a majority government for only 26 years in over 300 years of british parliament.
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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 15:05:50 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 16:04:01 GMT
What CL misses, as does Mo, is whether the Brexit bill is the place to put a whole load of legislation determining all sorts of legislation. The Government’s view, and it is a reasonable one, is to cover topics like environment, workers rights, immigration in specific legislation separate from the Brexit bill. Still, it gives folk like Lucas an opportunity for some mendacious moral grandstanding. Makes her feel good I suppose.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2020 6:48:36 GMT
We live in interesting times indeed. Now that John Prescott’s prediction has come to be, we must all be middle class, that Stoke On Trent & the whole of Staffordshire has gone Blue.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 14, 2020 11:26:58 GMT
Boring DePieface Johnson is about to "spaff" £120 million on a festival of brexit , 2022 will also be the queens something or another, 70 years? the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, BBC Centenary.............just wait and see how much we piss up the wall! Where has all this money come from or have they been hording it just for election promises?People have suffered over the last ten years and all of a sudden we have billions to spend. And £500,000 to ring big ben Maybe the brexiteers can pay. Fucking criminals.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2020 12:46:51 GMT
Boring DePieface Johnson is about to "spaff" £120 million on a festival of brexit , 2022 will also be the queens something or another, 70 years? the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, BBC Centenary.............just wait and see how much we piss up the wall! Where has all this money come from or have they been hording it just for election promises?People have suffered over the last ten years and all of a sudden we have billions to spend. And £500,000 to ring big ben Maybe the brexiteers can pay. Fucking criminals. I think it’s £1.5m to ring Big Ben. Just saying!
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 14, 2020 16:20:23 GMT
Never thought Id see the day when a British PM welcomes and shakes hands with the terrorist leader of Sinn Fein. How the worlds changed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2020 10:44:02 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Jan 15, 2020 11:34:22 GMT
Instead of scrapping the targets, they could start by teaching doctors to use A&E properly. An example…… My mother (90 years old but in fine fettle) felt a bit dizzy one day last week. She called the doctor (who insisted she visit them instead of calling them out) so went to the surgery that afternoon. Doctor examined her, blood pressure, heart beat, temperature, etc and said there seemed to be bugger all up with her and perhaps she’d stood up or moved a bit too quickly. It was “probably a touch of vertigo and nothing to worry about, but perhaps she should go down to A&E for a check-up just in case”. So, she phones my brother (sometimes there are advantages to living 180 miles away in Somerset) who picks her up after work and takes her to the NSRI (or whatever it’s called these days). They saw her at about 18.30 to begin with but said there was a series of tests they wanted to do on her including all sorts of scans, and loads of other stuff. The result being that they eventually let her (and my brother) leave at 2.30 the following morning. He then had to run her home to Clayton, and then get back to Alsager where he lives. And then be back at work for about 7.30. The hospital gave her a clean bill of health and told her she was in remarkably good shape for her age, which she already knew. She, of course, was full of praise for the hospital staff but my question is what the fuck did the doctor send her there in the first place for. If there was something wrong with her, surely it is his job to identify it, or at least spot the signs and if there were no signs found that there was actually anything up with her why send her to A&E with all the knock-on effects both for the hospital and the people concerned? If this is going on all the time, it’s ever likely they are so overworked and failing to meet targets!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2020 12:05:54 GMT
Never thought Id see the day when a British PM welcomes and shakes hands with the terrorist leader of Sinn Fein. How the worlds changed. Was McDonald ever convicted of terror acts? I'll raise you an actual convicted IRA bomber and now an MEP and Guy Verhoftwat.... Attachment Deleted
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2020 12:10:41 GMT
There will be scrutiny. The politically generated blanket 4 hour wait might be replaced with "clinically appropriate" waiting times, designed by clinicians. And that 4 year hours isn't actually the wait time. It's the overall admittance, diagnosis and discharge/hospital bed period.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2020 12:20:06 GMT
There will be scrutiny. The politically generated blanket 4 hour wait might be replaced with "clinically appropriate" waiting times, designed by clinicians. And that 4 year hours isn't actually the wait time. It's the overall admittance, diagnosis and discharge/hospital bed period. So at 3.5 hours they will admit people to hospital to meet the targets as I've said before I worked for a rail company who when they couldnt run a train would phone the customer and say we have no trains do you want to cancel at which point it was a customer cancellation and not included in the figures, the new ceo stopped that after a couple of months and what do you know the reported performace went down but profits improved.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2020 12:32:01 GMT
There will be scrutiny. The politically generated blanket 4 hour wait might be replaced with "clinically appropriate" waiting times, designed by clinicians. And that 4 year hours isn't actually the wait time. It's the overall admittance, diagnosis and discharge/hospital bed period. So at 3.5 hours they will admit people to hospital to meet the targets as I've said before I worked for a rail company who when they couldnt run a train would phone the customer and say we have no trains do you want to cancel at which point it was a customer cancellation and not included in the figures, the new ceo stopped that after a couple of months and what do you know the reported performace went down but profits improved. The 4 hour target covers admittance, diagnosis, discharge or transfer. If patients were only admitted on 3.5 hrs they would have to be treated and discharged in under 30 mins to meet the target. A long read but some perspective...... What’s going on with A&E waiting times? - Kings Fund
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Post by werrington on Jan 15, 2020 15:21:36 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 15, 2020 16:06:55 GMT
Fucking hell.
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