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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 16:21:05 GMT
Thank you. So the two roles are not about hoisting flags. As I suspected.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 16:23:31 GMT
Its not important to those that run it though, Here in Stoke they got some flack from media because someone decided to adorn the Royal Stoke with flag banners for all this progressive nonsense. The person who came up with this is paid between 130 - 160,000 per year along with a deputy on between 96 -115,000 per year. If we go on the lower scale that is a quarter of a million on two pay cheques alone doing nothing which improves clinical excellence or patient benefit. Yet no one has even got worked up over that. Maybe it's not important enough to a lot of people. And that's just one hospital and it certainly won't be alone. These kind of bullshit roles aren't exclusive to the NHS/public sector though are they? My office, and indeed my desk, was adorned with the very same flags during pride month (!) last year. No, HR Directors are common in big organisations. They do a lot more than fly flags.
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Post by mrnovember on May 3, 2024 16:24:57 GMT
Thank you. So the two roles are not about hoisting flags. As I suspected. He never claimed that they were.
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Post by mrnovember on May 3, 2024 16:26:59 GMT
These kind of bullshit roles aren't exclusive to the NHS/public sector though are they? My office, and indeed my desk, was adorned with the very same flags during pride month (!) last year. No, HR Directors are common in big organisations. They do a lot more than fly flags. Funnily enough the HR director agreed with me in MY case.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 16:30:21 GMT
Thank you. So the two roles are not about hoisting flags. As I suspected. He never claimed that they were. He seemed to be complaining that the NHS pay people a lot to do what he thinks are a waste of time like put up a banner for pride. I was pointing out the people do a great deal more than that. They would be paid a lot more in a private company to do the same job.
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Post by mrnovember on May 3, 2024 16:32:11 GMT
He never claimed that they were. He seemed to be complaining that the NHS pay people a lot to do what he thinks are a waste of time like put up a banner for pride. I was pointing out the people do a great deal more than that. They would be paid a lot more in a private company to do the same job. Why didn't you just say that then?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 16:32:19 GMT
No, HR Directors are common in big organisations. They do a lot more than fly flags. Funnily enough the HR director agreed with me in MY case. Wasn’t he/she too busy hoisting flags to speak with you?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 16:32:40 GMT
He seemed to be complaining that the NHS pay people a lot to do what he thinks are a waste of time like put up a banner for pride. I was pointing out the people do a great deal more than that. They would be paid a lot more in a private company to do the same job. Why didn't you just say that then? I did
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Post by mrnovember on May 3, 2024 16:36:45 GMT
Funnily enough the HR director agreed with me in MY case. Wasn’t he/she too busy hoisting flags to speak with you? Hilarious
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 16:46:13 GMT
I'm just playing the same game as all other commentators on politics. So you're just talking Bollocks then, OKI'm pretty sure when Galloway won in Rochdale that many Labourites were saying it's because "there was no labour candidate" and turnout was low. But 18% more people turned out to vote in that election than what came out in Blackpool. 39.7% of electorate compared to 32.5% of electorate is a 18% increase. There was no Labour Candidate, it was a shambles I think you're also inclined to show some bias towards Starmer even if you didn't wish to confirm you'd be voting for him when I asked you the other day. Don't think that this post went unseen You could also for balance have quoted several posts where I have have been critical of Starmer personally. The one you did quote reflects the choice on offer whether you like it or not.I'm pretty sure the Blackpool South turnout is the lowest by election turnout, out of the last 10 elections. On a spring day with local, PCC and mayor elections all occurring on the same date which I think would probably have a positive influence on turnout rather than negative. The Turnout in Blackpool South doesn't even figure historically on low TurnoutsOf course we can all derive our own opinions on the turnout. The tone of your post, along with your earlier admission of embracing dull, suggests you're trying to put a positive spin on it even if you don't admit your intent to vote for Starmer when directly questioned. So that's not pretend you're also not creating scenarios to make this appear like there is a huge turn in support for Labour. At the next GE there are two possible Candidates who will be the next PM Rishi or whoever the Conservatives might replace him with after today's meltdown or Starmer. It's quite obvious which I prefer
Starmer is not standing in the Constituency where I'll be Voting. I will be voting for the most able Candidate but he/she won't be a Tory
I don't need to create any artificial spin on todays results as you on your own admission appear to want to do, they speak for themselves. The Swing from Conservatives to Labour in Blackpool South is the 3rd highest since WW 11
The whole Country is fed up to the back teeth of this shower of incompetent, corrupt fraudsters. It's not just Labour that are having a good day, but also the LibDem's and Greens. Fringe Party's like Reform and WPB are not even registering in Local Elections and will fare even worse in GE where National not Local issues become more focused
Busy gardening but as you claim I'm speaking bollocks. From the bbc 20 mins ago: "Looking at just the Parliamentary by-election in Blackpool South, the turnout there was 32.4%. If you compare that with other by-elections since the last general election, it is comparatively low - 19 out of 23." Keep pretending it's a good by election turnout though. And as for Rochdale. Well for a by election "with no labour candidate" a helluva alot more people came out to vote than in Blackpool which had a labour candidate. Guess people just aren't inspired by labour bar the "labour have broken all their pledges and are offering more austerity but I'm still voting for them" crew on here.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
At the next GE there are two possible Candidates who will be the next PM Rishi or whoever the Conservatives might replace him with after today's meltdown or Starmer. It's quite obvious which I prefer
Starmer is not standing in the Constituency where I'll be Voting. I will be voting for the most able Candidate but he/she won't be a Tory
I don't need to create any artificial spin on todays results as you on your own admission appear to want to do, they speak for themselves. The Swing from Conservatives to Labour in Blackpool South is the 3rd highest since WW 11
The whole Country is fed up to the back teeth of this shower of incompetent, corrupt fraudsters. It's not just Labour that are having a good day, but also the LibDem's and Greens. Fringe Party's like Reform and WPB are not even registering in Local Elections and will fare even worse in GE where National not Local issues become more focused
Busy gardening but as you claim I'm speaking bollocks. From the bbc 20 mins ago: "Looking at just the Parliamentary by-election in Blackpool South, the turnout there was 32.4%. If you compare that with other by-elections since the last general election, it is comparatively low - 19 out of 23." Keep pretending it's a good by election turnout though. And as for Rochdale. Well for a by election "with no labour candidate" a helluva alot more people came out to vote than in Blackpool which had a labour candidate. Guess people just aren't inspired by labour bar the "labour have broken all their pledges and are offering more austerity but I'm still voting for them" crew on here. Labour have 159 more councillors now (and 1 more MP) and control 7 more councils than they had yesterday. They seem to be doing well to me.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 3, 2024 18:19:31 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign?
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2024 18:21:42 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? “Other” is way too high in fairness, although I think the Greens will do well.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 18:32:27 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? It would be an all time record swing for Starmer to win a majority. Arguably it would be the most impressive election result of any party ever to do it.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 18:33:08 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? “Other” is way too high in fairness, although I think the Greens will do well. It is a nonsense as FPTP means everyone goes back to labour or tory.
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 3, 2024 18:41:13 GMT
I tend to agree with this, it'll just be a painful exercise.
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Post by wannabee on May 3, 2024 19:04:29 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? In recent memory I believe that honour belongs to Terese May, although she did soldier on for a painful 3 months
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Post by Veritas on May 3, 2024 19:25:03 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? “Other” is way too high in fairness, although I think the Greens will do well. Exactly, others are not going to get 24% of a national vote.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 19:25:28 GMT
Take Greens out from Other, and Other has had a bad night. The Greens are doing brilliantly!
I thought Reform were supposed to be breaking through? Non-existent performance from them, but perhaps they didn’t stand any candidates?
The rumour mill has it that Khan may have lost in London due to the cynical and anti democratic change to first past the post. I wonder if that will happen.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 3, 2024 19:38:23 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? “Other” is way too high in fairness, although I think the Greens will do well. The challenge there going to have is exactly the same issue Reform have in this next election. They'll get a load of votes and will barely a win a seat. As much as I'm not a fan of the Greens it's wrong. Give me a shed load of Reform mps and Green mps over this current crap.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 19:45:54 GMT
“Other” is way too high in fairness, although I think the Greens will do well. The challenge there going to have is exactly the same issue Reform have in this next election. They'll get a load of votes and will barely a win a seat. As much as I'm not a fan of the Greens it's wrong. Give me a shed load of Reform mps and Green mps over this current crap. I agree with you Rossi. And that’s exactly why every party but the big two are pro electoral reform. Unless every party but the big two club together and form alliances around a 1 issue general election of electoral reform, they will never get the reform to our system that we so desperately need.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 3, 2024 19:46:00 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 19:55:40 GMT
Labour were expected to make much more gains than they have so far. Just under 2 out of 3 torie seats lost have went to parties other than labour so far. Still plenty of time for things to change. So labour being up (currently) 132 seats, and the tories down by 195, with potentially fewer overall counsellors than the lib dems of those up for election, in other words, the tories may finish third overall, and Labour winning one of the most brexity constituencies in a byelection is not a good night for Labour!?!? Corbyn would have snapped your hand off for success like that! Labour have gained, so far, 8 councils, 4 from the tories and 4 from NOC. Yet people don’t apparently don’t like them and aren’t voting for them!?!? In comparison to forecasts it's not been a great election in my opinion. Here is one I posted yesterday: Labour were predicted to win 273 seats. At the time of writing 99/107 councils are complete they've won 169. Labour - +20% councillors Lib Dem - +24% councillors Independent - +67% Green - +71% Residents Association - +31% Workers Party - Infinity% Reform - Infinity% Out of all the parties to benefit from the tories downfall, they've seen the lowest percentage increase. Considering the tories have lost 432 seats. You'd have expected labour to gain more than 169 as predicted. Some other predictions from political commentators in build up where even more optimistic for labour:
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 20:02:23 GMT
Even the Blackpool by election which Labour won. They won it with 2,000 less votes than Corbyns candidate got in 2019 (who lost). Nobody is inspired by starmers labour and people aren't showing up. Imagine winning a by election by actually losing votes and celebrating it as a huge victory. At 7pm when I went I asked how busy the station had been. She told me about 70 people had come in since opening out of a list of 700. Democracy is dying before our eyes and no one cares. The elite are complicit in maintaining apathy. And too many people are content to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Oh can't vote outside of labour/tory because it's a wasted vote > Our elections would be so much better and fair if we had PR > Labour/Tory leader says they aren't going to introduce PR > Labour/Tory say "a vote for anyone else is a vote for labour/tory, it's a wasted vote" > Oh can't vote outside of labour/tory because it's a wasted vote > Our elections would be so much better and fair if we had PR > Labour/Tory leader says they aren't going to introduce PR > Labour/Tory say "a vote for anyone else is a vote for labour/tory, it's a wasted vote"
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 3, 2024 20:03:24 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 20:04:33 GMT
Busy gardening but as you claim I'm speaking bollocks. From the bbc 20 mins ago: "Looking at just the Parliamentary by-election in Blackpool South, the turnout there was 32.4%. If you compare that with other by-elections since the last general election, it is comparatively low - 19 out of 23." Keep pretending it's a good by election turnout though. And as for Rochdale. Well for a by election "with no labour candidate" a helluva alot more people came out to vote than in Blackpool which had a labour candidate. Guess people just aren't inspired by labour bar the "labour have broken all their pledges and are offering more austerity but I'm still voting for them" crew on here. Labour have 159 more councillors now (and 1 more MP) and control 7 more councils than they had yesterday. They seem to be doing well to me. See my last reply.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 20:09:48 GMT
So labour being up (currently) 132 seats, and the tories down by 195, with potentially fewer overall counsellors than the lib dems of those up for election, in other words, the tories may finish third overall, and Labour winning one of the most brexity constituencies in a byelection is not a good night for Labour!?!? Corbyn would have snapped your hand off for success like that! Labour have gained, so far, 8 councils, 4 from the tories and 4 from NOC. Yet people don’t apparently don’t like them and aren’t voting for them!?!? In comparison to forecasts it's not been a great election in my opinion. Here is one I posted yesterday: Labour were predicted to win 273 seats. At the time of writing 99/107 councils are complete they've won 169. Labour - +20% councillors Lib Dem - +24% councillors Independent - +67% Green - +71% Residents Association - +31% Workers Party - Infinity% Reform - Infinity% Out of all the parties to benefit from the tories downfall, they've seen the lowest percentage increase. Considering the tories have lost 432 seats. You'd have expected labour to gain more than 169 as predicted. Some other predictions from political commentators in build up where even more optimistic for labour: Interesting predictions. Wildly optimistic for Labour! They have still had very good results.
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 20:09:56 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? It would be an all time record swing for Starmer to win a majority. Arguably it would be the most impressive election result of any party ever to do it. I nearly bit the bait. Good troll though.
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 20:11:23 GMT
Labour not winning a clear majority would be an absolutely disaster for the party. Would that be the first time a winning party leader would have to resign? It would be an all time record swing for Starmer to win a majority. Arguably it would be the most impressive election result of any party ever to do it. “Other” is way too high in fairness, although I think the Greens will do well. It is a nonsense as FPTP means everyone goes back to labour or tory. You were taking the piss oggy right? Especially following it up with this subsequent post. Or were you being serious?
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 20:21:22 GMT
Sorry for disagreeing Oggy - I hope my views don't offend and appreciate your replies.
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