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Post by PotteringThrough on May 3, 2024 8:34:43 GMT
Boris is smarter than he gets credit for. He's a very calculated man who we've all seen scruff himself up to try and give a disheveled look which some find endearing. He was PM when the elections act 2022 was introduced. I don't think he's dumb enough to do this. The fact he brought an envelope with his name and address on it shows that it was pre meditated. Wonder if it's some stunt and will be used to try and give confidence in the changes imposed in the gerrymandering election act 2022. There's defo a play of some sort here. Even I know he's not that thick. Really don't think it's to do with him being thick or making a play. Rather, it's just another example of privilege and him believing that the rules couldn't ever apply to him, after all, he was/still is, the King of the World!
As much of a scumbag, tosser, absolute wrong’un who has delivered massive strain and grief on this country you can’t help but think everything is calculated with an end game that he ultimately thinks he can win because, as you say, this inbuilt belief he’s better and above all of us. It gets him in the news when the Tories have had a rather poor showing. Some people will be thinking “oh Boris, what are you like”, his numerous misgivings of the pst now just a distant memory for them. He stays relevant and in the public eye. Tories take a pasting at the next election, Rishi swans off to America. Boris begins his next foray into British politics, letting someone else lead the party whilst he tries to work his way back into a safe seat (maybe someone retires or even more astonishingly has to resign because of a misdemeanour - would be a shock…). They change the rules to allow him to stand again and he returns maybe 2/3 years into the next term, and somehow he ends up in charge of the Tories going into the next campaign. It won’t happen, it shouldn’t be allowed to happen, but who knows.
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Post by salopstick on May 3, 2024 8:37:09 GMT
Really don't think it's to do with him being thick or making a play. Rather, it's just another example of privilege and him believing that the rules couldn't ever apply to him, after all, he was/still is, the King of the World!
As much of a scumbag, tosser, absolute wrong’un who has delivered massive strain and grief on this country you can’t help but think everything is calculated with an end game that he ultimately thinks he can win because, as you say, this inbuilt belief he’s better and above all of us. It gets him in the news when the Tories have had a rather poor showing. Some people will be thinking “oh Boris, what are you like”, his numerous misgivings of the pst now just a distant memory for them. He stays relevant and in the public eye. Tories take a pasting at the next election, Rishi swans off to America. Boris begins his next foray into British politics, letting someone else lead the party whilst he tries to work his way back into a safe seat (maybe someone retires or even more astonishingly has to resign because of a misdemeanour - would be a shock…). They change the rules to allow him to stand again and he returns maybe 2/3 years into the next term, and somehow he ends up in charge of the Tories going into the next campaign. It won’t happen, it shouldn’t be allowed to happen, but who knows. Starmer will enable it to happen
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Post by adri2008 on May 3, 2024 8:58:02 GMT
Nothing unexpected in the local elections really - Tories are going to be booted out. No great love for Labour either though (unlike 1997), it'll be a win by default election - anti Tory rather than pro Labour.
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 9:17:09 GMT
Nothing unexpected in the local elections really - Tories are going to be booted out. No great love for Labour either though (unlike 1997), it'll be a win by default election - anti Tory rather than pro Labour. Labour were expected to make much more gains than they have so far. Just under 2 out of 3 torie seats lost have went to parties other than labour so far. Still plenty of time for things to change.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 3, 2024 9:50:21 GMT
Nothing unexpected in the local elections really - Tories are going to be booted out. No great love for Labour either though (unlike 1997), it'll be a win by default election - anti Tory rather than pro Labour. Labour were expected to make much more gains than they have so far. Just under 2 out of 3 torie seats lost have went to parties other than labour so far. Still plenty of time for things to change. Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front.
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Post by flea79 on May 3, 2024 9:55:02 GMT
the apathy the average person has towards politics has been shown yesterday
the new Meir north councillor was voted in with just 469 votes...
turnout was 17.61%..
people have had enough of the system and the shit we are being served up
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 10:07:46 GMT
Labour were expected to make much more gains than they have so far. Just under 2 out of 3 torie seats lost have went to parties other than labour so far. Still plenty of time for things to change. Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front. Even the Blackpool by election which Labour won. They won it with 2,000 less votes than Corbyns candidate got in 2019 (who lost). Nobody is inspired by starmers labour and people aren't showing up. Imagine winning a by election by actually losing votes and celebrating it as a huge victory.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 3, 2024 10:12:37 GMT
Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front. Even the Blackpool by election which Labour won. They won it with 2,000 less votes than Corbyns candidate got in 2019 (who lost). Nobody is inspired by starmers labour and people aren't showing up. Imagine winning a by election by actually losing votes and celebrating it as a huge victory. Exactly mate. The country is in a dreadful place isn't it. Anyone who thinks Starmer and Rayner are going to be anything other than more of the same is badly mistaken.
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 10:24:05 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 3, 2024 10:39:12 GMT
Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front. Even the Blackpool by election which Labour won. They won it with 2,000 less votes than Corbyns candidate got in 2019 (who lost). Nobody is inspired by starmers labour and people aren't showing up. Imagine winning a by election by actually losing votes and celebrating it as a huge victory. I know you are desperate to dumb down anything Starmer Labour related and big up anything Corbyn Labour related but the numbers just don't add up either in Blackpool South or Nationally Universally people don't turn out for By-elections in the same numbers as General Elections, this time out the turnout was 57% of the 2019 General Election The Labour Candidate won with almost 60% of the Vote and a 26% swing from the Tories, if repeated Nationally, unlikely, it would be Armageddon for the Tories, even worse than 1997. At the 2019 GE the incumbent Labour MP Candidate lost his seat to the Conservatives on a 9% swing away from Labour having gained almost 40% of the Votes Of course you know all this but you are trying to construct a scenario that just doesn't exist
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Post by cvillestokie on May 3, 2024 11:09:01 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 3, 2024 11:20:26 GMT
Labour were expected to make much more gains than they have so far. Just under 2 out of 3 torie seats lost have went to parties other than labour so far. Still plenty of time for things to change. Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front. What will reform do about the NHS and poverty? I've not seen what their message is either
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2024 11:45:31 GMT
These are local elections, I don't understand why there is so much emphasis on the popularity/non-popularity of Starmer and Sunak.
It's not a Presidential election.
I voted for the the best person to represent me on my local council, it happened to be a person who represented Labour in this case, but I would have voted for them regardless of their party, or who their leader is, but because of what they contribute in the local community. It's very different when it comes to a General Election.
I think some folk seem to approach like its football teams who they support, or hate!
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Post by stiggerstackle on May 3, 2024 12:46:27 GMT
Just watching the election results programme on BBC, do the various conservative talking heads actually believe the utter shite that they are saying?!?
They all seem to occupy an alternative reality where what they are doing is working and all of the negative issues and shite state of the country are just labour propaganda?!?
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2024 12:57:49 GMT
Even the Blackpool by election which Labour won. They won it with 2,000 less votes than Corbyns candidate got in 2019 (who lost). Nobody is inspired by starmers labour and people aren't showing up. Imagine winning a by election by actually losing votes and celebrating it as a huge victory. I know you are desperate to dumb down anything Starmer Labour related and big up anything Corbyn Labour related but the numbers just don't add up either in Blackpool South or Nationally Universally people don't turn out for By-elections in the same numbers as General Elections, this time out the turnout was 57% of the 2019 General Election The Labour Candidate won with almost 60% of the Vote and a 26% swing from the Tories, if repeated Nationally, unlikely, it would be Armageddon for the Tories, even worse than 1997. At the 2019 GE the incumbent Labour MP Candidate lost his seat to the Conservatives on a 9% swing away from Labour having gained almost 40% of the Votes Of course you know all this but you are trying to construct a scenario that just doesn't exist I'm just playing the same game as all other commentators on politics. I'm pretty sure when Galloway won in Rochdale that many Labourites were saying it's because "there was no labour candidate" and turnout was low. But 18% more people turned out to vote in that election than what came out in Blackpool. 39.7% of electorate compared to 32.5% of electorate is a 18% increase. I think you're also inclined to show some bias towards Starmer even if you didn't wish to confirm you'd be voting for him when I asked you the other day. Don't think that this post went unseen I think I could embrace Dull for a few years.... there I've said it! I'm pretty sure the Blackpool South turnout is the lowest by election turnout, out of the last 10 elections. On a spring day with local, PCC and mayor elections all occurring on the same date which I think would probably have a positive influence on turnout rather than negative. Of course we can all derive our own opinions on the turnout. The tone of your post, along with your earlier admission of embracing dull, suggests you're trying to put a positive spin on it even if you don't admit your intent to vote for Starmer when directly questioned. So that's not pretend you're also not creating scenarios to make this appear like there is a huge turn in support for Labour.
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Post by wannabee on May 3, 2024 13:35:23 GMT
Interesting Article, one paragraph in particular stood out to me Let’s delve further into this perspective. In the UK, approximately 13 million people (nearly 1 in 5) struggle to access sufficient food (The Food Foundation, 2023). Yet around 6.4 million tonnes of edible food, valued at £19 billion and equivalent to 15 billion meals, go to waste each year (WRAP, 2020). Of this, roughly 3 million tonnes never even leave the farms they are produced on (WWF-UK, 2022). For instance, a study by Porter et al. (2018) revealed that up to 31% of fruit and vegetable produce is discarded on farms merely because it doesn’t meet aesthetic standards. Additionally, British farmers have reported that crops are often left unpicked because market prices don’t justify the expense of harvesting (Bowman and O’Sullivan, 2018).
One of the Annex's from House of Lords pre TCA is particularly prescient as it accurately predicts the outcome as well as providing the solution, equivalent standards, which is the likely option Labour will pursue At least as significant as tariffs are the non-tariff barriers that may result from Brexit. The Government remains confident that it can secure an agreement that would allow ‘frictionless’ imports of food from the EU to continue, but it is unclear how that would be possible outside of the customs union. Any such agreement would be likely to require the UK to mirror all EU standards and regulations; a condition the UK Government may find politically difficult to accept. If no agreement is reached, and food imports from the EU are subject to the same customs and border checks as non-EU imports, the UK does not have the staff, IT systems or physical infrastructure to meet that increased demand. Any resulting delays could choke the UK’s ports and threaten the availability of some food products for UK consumers. The Government’s proposed alternative is to allow EU imports through with no, or very few, checks: this raises safety concerns as well as questions over how customs charges would be processed.
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Post by wannabee on May 3, 2024 14:24:11 GMT
I know you are desperate to dumb down anything Starmer Labour related and big up anything Corbyn Labour related but the numbers just don't add up either in Blackpool South or Nationally Universally people don't turn out for By-elections in the same numbers as General Elections, this time out the turnout was 57% of the 2019 General Election The Labour Candidate won with almost 60% of the Vote and a 26% swing from the Tories, if repeated Nationally, unlikely, it would be Armageddon for the Tories, even worse than 1997. At the 2019 GE the incumbent Labour MP Candidate lost his seat to the Conservatives on a 9% swing away from Labour having gained almost 40% of the Votes Of course you know all this but you are trying to construct a scenario that just doesn't exist I'm just playing the same game as all other commentators on politics. So you're just talking Bollocks then, OKI'm pretty sure when Galloway won in Rochdale that many Labourites were saying it's because "there was no labour candidate" and turnout was low. But 18% more people turned out to vote in that election than what came out in Blackpool. 39.7% of electorate compared to 32.5% of electorate is a 18% increase. There was no Labour Candidate, it was a shambles I think you're also inclined to show some bias towards Starmer even if you didn't wish to confirm you'd be voting for him when I asked you the other day. Don't think that this post went unseen You could also for balance have quoted several posts where I have have been critical of Starmer personally. The one you did quote reflects the choice on offer whether you like it or not.I think I could embrace Dull for a few years.... there I've said it! I'm pretty sure the Blackpool South turnout is the lowest by election turnout, out of the last 10 elections. On a spring day with local, PCC and mayor elections all occurring on the same date which I think would probably have a positive influence on turnout rather than negative. The Turnout in Blackpool South doesn't even figure historically on low TurnoutsOf course we can all derive our own opinions on the turnout. The tone of your post, along with your earlier admission of embracing dull, suggests you're trying to put a positive spin on it even if you don't admit your intent to vote for Starmer when directly questioned. So that's not pretend you're also not creating scenarios to make this appear like there is a huge turn in support for Labour. At the next GE there are two possible Candidates who will be the next PM Rishi or whoever the Conservatives might replace him with after today's meltdown or Starmer. It's quite obvious which I prefer
Starmer is not standing in the Constituency where I'll be Voting. I will be voting for the most able Candidate but he/she won't be a Tory
I don't need to create any artificial spin on todays results as you on your own admission appear to want to do, they speak for themselves. The Swing from Conservatives to Labour in Blackpool South is the 3rd highest since WW 11
The whole Country is fed up to the back teeth of this shower of incompetent, corrupt fraudsters. It's not just Labour that are having a good day, but also the LibDem's and Greens. Fringe Party's like Reform and WPB are not even registering in Local Elections and will fare even worse in GE where National not Local issues become more focused
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Post by desman2 on May 3, 2024 15:04:20 GMT
Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front. What will reform do about the NHS and poverty? I've not seen what their message is either www.reformparty.uk/our-contract-contents
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 15:15:24 GMT
Nothing unexpected in the local elections really - Tories are going to be booted out. No great love for Labour either though (unlike 1997), it'll be a win by default election - anti Tory rather than pro Labour. Labour were expected to make much more gains than they have so far. Just under 2 out of 3 torie seats lost have went to parties other than labour so far. Still plenty of time for things to change. So labour being up (currently) 132 seats, and the tories down by 195, with potentially fewer overall counsellors than the lib dems of those up for election, in other words, the tories may finish third overall, and Labour winning one of the most brexity constituencies in a byelection is not a good night for Labour!?!? Corbyn would have snapped your hand off for success like that! Labour have gained, so far, 8 councils, 4 from the tories and 4 from NOC. Yet people don’t apparently don’t like them and aren’t voting for them!?!?
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Post by andystokey on May 3, 2024 15:29:43 GMT
Yeah just shows that Labour really aren't winning because people like them. Shows again how Reform still haven't got their message out to enough people yet because while there is growth, they need to be doing better in the most Brexit town in Britain. Again highlighting how critical Farage is if they are to make any serious, competitive inroads. Also shows what an enormous challenge it is trying to dislodge establish parties but I guess we already know that from the 2015 election when the third most popular party won one seat. Other than that I don't think we've learnt anything have we? The tories are useless, Labour are winning not because people like them and in turn the greens and lib dems have done what you'd expect them to do in local elections where the government is failing on every front. Even the Blackpool by election which Labour won. They won it with 2,000 less votes than Corbyns candidate got in 2019 (who lost). Nobody is inspired by starmers labour and people aren't showing up. Imagine winning a by election by actually losing votes and celebrating it as a huge victory. At 7pm when I went I asked how busy the station had been. She told me about 70 people had come in since opening out of a list of 700. Democracy is dying before our eyes and no one cares. The elite are complicit in maintaining apathy.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 3, 2024 15:34:11 GMT
Oh, use private companies seems to be the answer. No thanks, the NHS is important to me
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2024 15:48:33 GMT
These are local elections, I don't understand why there is so much emphasis on the popularity/non-popularity of Starmer and Sunak. It's not a Presidential election. I voted for the the best person to represent me on my local council, it happened to be a person who represented Labour in this case, but I would have voted for them regardless of their party, or who their leader is, but because of what they contribute in the local community. It's very different when it comes to a General Election. I think some folk seem to approach like its football teams who they support, or hate! My candidates were particularly bad this year. The Labour and Tory candidates don't even live in the ward (a bugbear of mine for local elections in particular), and a Reform candidate and an Independent who struggled to put a sentence together.......
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Post by desman2 on May 3, 2024 15:48:47 GMT
Oh, use private companies seems to be the answer. No thanks, the NHS is important to me Its not important to those that run it though, Here in Stoke they got some flack from media because someone decided to adorn the Royal Stoke with flag banners for all this progressive nonsense. The person who came up with this is paid between 130 - 160,000 per year along with a deputy on between 96 -115,000 per year. If we go on the lower scale that is a quarter of a million on two pay cheques alone doing nothing which improves clinical excellence or patient benefit. Yet no one has even got worked up over that. Maybe it's not important enough to a lot of people. And that's just one hospital and it certainly won't be alone.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 15:56:47 GMT
Oh, use private companies seems to be the answer. No thanks, the NHS is important to me Its not important to those that run it though, Here in Stoke they got some flack from media because someone decided to adorn the Royal Stoke with flag banners for all this progressive nonsense. The person who came up with this is paid between 130 - 160,000 per year along with a deputy on between 96 -115,000 per year. If we go on the lower scale that is a quarter of a million on two pay cheques alone doing nothing which improves clinical excellence or patient benefit. Yet no one has even got worked up over that. Maybe it's not important enough to a lot of people. And that's just one hospital and it certainly won't be alone. Do post links. Surely the NHS does not pay two people a quarter of a million per hospital to hoist flags!?
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Post by mrnovember on May 3, 2024 15:57:25 GMT
Oh, use private companies seems to be the answer. No thanks, the NHS is important to me Its not important to those that run it though, Here in Stoke they got some flack from media because someone decided to adorn the Royal Stoke with flag banners for all this progressive nonsense. The person who came up with this is paid between 130 - 160,000 per year along with a deputy on between 96 -115,000 per year. If we go on the lower scale that is a quarter of a million on two pay cheques alone doing nothing which improves clinical excellence or patient benefit. Yet no one has even got worked up over that. Maybe it's not important enough to a lot of people. And that's just one hospital and it certainly won't be alone. These kind of bullshit roles aren't exclusive to the NHS/public sector though are they? My office, and indeed my desk, was adorned with the very same flags during pride month (!) last year.
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Post by desman2 on May 3, 2024 16:03:31 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2024 16:05:23 GMT
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Post by desman2 on May 3, 2024 16:05:48 GMT
Its not important to those that run it though, Here in Stoke they got some flack from media because someone decided to adorn the Royal Stoke with flag banners for all this progressive nonsense. The person who came up with this is paid between 130 - 160,000 per year along with a deputy on between 96 -115,000 per year. If we go on the lower scale that is a quarter of a million on two pay cheques alone doing nothing which improves clinical excellence or patient benefit. Yet no one has even got worked up over that. Maybe it's not important enough to a lot of people. And that's just one hospital and it certainly won't be alone. These kind of bullshit roles aren't exclusive to the NHS/public sector though are they? My office, and indeed my desk, was adorned with the very same flags during pride month (!) last year. What a private business does is its own business. what a publiccly funded operation does is mine and everyone elses business
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 3, 2024 16:08:17 GMT
Oh, use private companies seems to be the answer. No thanks, the NHS is important to me Its not important to those that run it though, Here in Stoke they got some flack from media because someone decided to adorn the Royal Stoke with flag banners for all this progressive nonsense. The person who came up with this is paid between 130 - 160,000 per year along with a deputy on between 96 -115,000 per year. If we go on the lower scale that is a quarter of a million on two pay cheques alone doing nothing which improves clinical excellence or patient benefit. Yet no one has even got worked up over that. Maybe it's not important enough to a lot of people. And that's just one hospital and it certainly won't be alone. No, the flag nonsense is silly but it's not important. I agree that kind of salary for a manager is too high. The biggest issue is that since the current government was elected the NHS has been underfunded year on year on a massive scale and it's on it's knees. When i think of the NHS, that is the focus of my attention. So I'll look for a party with a meaningful policy on that. Admittedly that's hard to find because all the parties now are trying to win the votes of people that care about stuff that's not important, people who like culture wars, care about flags etc
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Post by mrnovember on May 3, 2024 16:10:40 GMT
These kind of bullshit roles aren't exclusive to the NHS/public sector though are they? My office, and indeed my desk, was adorned with the very same flags during pride month (!) last year. What a private business does is its own business. what a publiccly funded operation does is mine and everyone elses business You pay either way though no?
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