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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 13:10:59 GMT
If the scheme is only open to 500 people then those who have been brought up in care should be prioritised in my opinion. However if they're struggling to find 500 people to register then I agree with opening it up to other vulnerable groups such as an asylum seeker.
The whole point of a pilot is to test the long term effects of a scheme and to see if it has a positive results.
I don't know the statistics myself for young people from care but I'm pretty confident that those coming from care are probably more likely to end up in prison or mental health institutions.
I presume both the above cost the tax payer alot more than 1600 a month too, never mind the long term trauma affects too for any victims from crimes committed.
The current system obviously doesn't work because those from a background of care tend to end up in a cycle of entering and reentering the justice system. So what's the problem with trying something new as a test pilot?
Rishi lost 50 billion in tax payers money under his watch with most of it going to wealthy tory donors.
If you've got a problem with kids who have been raised with no parents or family, likely been physically and sexually abused in care, and have alot of trauma and mental health issues due to the poor start they've had in life getting a bit of extra help. But you don't bat an eye lid at billions going to wealthy tory donors then you best recalibrate your morale compass. Because that's messed up. (not directed at anyone in this thread. Just speaking in general.)
For those that oppose the scheme, what's the alternative options that you suggest to break the cycle?
I think one of the pros of this scheme is giving them the independence to manage their own money and make their own decisions. I presume they use this money towards housing and stuff too? Which I think is a step in the right direction as alot of current schemes house people from these backgrounds together and having so many vulnerable people surrounding each other can just be a recipe for disaster whee their influences rub off on each other. Giving people the independence to survive away from that environment may be just what they need to effectively transform their lives.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2023 13:53:50 GMT
If the scheme is only open to 500 people then those who have been brought up in care should be prioritised in my opinion. However if they're struggling to find 500 people to register then I agree with opening it up to other vulnerable groups such as an asylum seeker. The whole point of a pilot is to test the long term effects of a scheme and to see if it has a positive results. I don't know the statistics myself for young people from care but I'm pretty confident that those coming from care are probably more likely to end up in prison or mental health institutions. I presume both the above cost the tax payer alot more than 1600 a month too, never mind the long term trauma affects too for any victims from crimes committed. The current system obviously doesn't work because those from a background of care tend to end up in a cycle of entering and reentering the justice system. So what's the problem with trying something new as a test pilot? Rishi lost 50 billion in tax payers money under his watch with most of it going to wealthy tory donors. If you've got a problem with kids who have been raised with no parents or family, likely been physically and sexually abused in care, and have alot of trauma and mental health issues due to the poor start they've had in life getting a bit of extra help. But you don't bat an eye lid at billions going to wealthy tory donors then you best recalibrate your morale compass. Because that's messed up. (not directed at anyone in this thread. Just speaking in general.) For those that oppose the scheme, what's the alternative options that you suggest to break the cycle? I think one of the pros of this scheme is giving them the independence to manage their own money and make their own decisions. I presume they use this money towards housing and stuff too? Which I think is a step in the right direction as alot of current schemes house people from these backgrounds together and having so many vulnerable people surrounding each other can just be a recipe for disaster whee their influences rub off on each other. Giving people the independence to survive away from that environment may be just what they need to effectively transform their lives. Couldn't agree with you more with your comments There are approximately 100 unaccompanied minor asylum seekers in Wales most of these have come from refugee camps in Middle East having experienced extreme trauma I doubt all have reached an age where they can begin to live independent lives, in any case the proposal is to add them to current pilot not instead of. As the scheme has been operating for 9 months now the results must be encouraging to contemplate Like you I can’t understand the outrage of Daily Express/Mail readers and others who focus on the cost( marginally more than now) not outcomes. When as you say if successful will be financially beneficial in the long term but more importantly provide better longterm outcomes to young people who've been dealt a shit hand. Unfortunately there will always be people who begrudge others getting a leg up.
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 14:17:02 GMT
If the scheme is only open to 500 people then those who have been brought up in care should be prioritised in my opinion. However if they're struggling to find 500 people to register then I agree with opening it up to other vulnerable groups such as an asylum seeker. The whole point of a pilot is to test the long term effects of a scheme and to see if it has a positive results. I don't know the statistics myself for young people from care but I'm pretty confident that those coming from care are probably more likely to end up in prison or mental health institutions. I presume both the above cost the tax payer alot more than 1600 a month too, never mind the long term trauma affects too for any victims from crimes committed. The current system obviously doesn't work because those from a background of care tend to end up in a cycle of entering and reentering the justice system. So what's the problem with trying something new as a test pilot? Rishi lost 50 billion in tax payers money under his watch with most of it going to wealthy tory donors. If you've got a problem with kids who have been raised with no parents or family, likely been physically and sexually abused in care, and have alot of trauma and mental health issues due to the poor start they've had in life getting a bit of extra help. But you don't bat an eye lid at billions going to wealthy tory donors then you best recalibrate your morale compass. Because that's messed up. (not directed at anyone in this thread. Just speaking in general.) For those that oppose the scheme, what's the alternative options that you suggest to break the cycle? I think one of the pros of this scheme is giving them the independence to manage their own money and make their own decisions. I presume they use this money towards housing and stuff too? Which I think is a step in the right direction as alot of current schemes house people from these backgrounds together and having so many vulnerable people surrounding each other can just be a recipe for disaster whee their influences rub off on each other. Giving people the independence to survive away from that environment may be just what they need to effectively transform their lives. Couldn't agree with you more with your comments There are approximately 100 unaccompanied minor asylum seekers in Wales most of these have come from refugee camps in Middle East having experienced extreme trauma I doubt all have reached an age where they can begin to live independent lives, in any case the proposal is to add them to current pilot not instead of. As the scheme has been operating for 9 months now the results must be encouraging to contemplate Like you I can’t understand the outrage of Daily Express/Mail readers and others who focus on the cost( marginally more than now) not outcomes. When as you say if successful will be financially beneficial in the long term but more importantly provide better longterm outcomes to young people who've been dealt a shit hand. Unfortunately there will always be people who begrudge others getting a leg up. Completely agree and people also need to remember it's a pilot. I'd much prefer more government pilots like this one where potential future policy is properly tested in a controlled manner with evidence and results to show the impacts. Rather than the government just acting on a whim with no planning and ultimately costing the tax payer billions. Example being the furlough scheme where many people were fraudently getting more than 1600 a month. And it was rather poorly thought out and implemented even more poorly. There's a real reluctance from some people to have these schemes to help vulnerable people and I don't personally understand it. If it doesn't work it gets scrapped and that's the pilot gone. What's the problem with trying to find a better way of doing things?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 18, 2023 14:19:22 GMT
There is a growing consensus for a national UBI. It's worth researching for the benefits it would bring to the nation and the economy.
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Post by phileetin on Apr 18, 2023 14:28:14 GMT
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 14:31:58 GMT
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 18, 2023 14:41:29 GMT
Getting paid 1600 pounds a month for doing nothing? No unless it was monitored very strictly. For me I’d be happy to pay 1600 pounds a month if those receiving the payments filled a hard to fill job role and earnt it by graft. In relation to the payments - How will it make those that work for less feel? Is that fair? - Do they have to pay it back? Is it a loan rather than a gift? - Where does the money come from to pay it? I'm surprised your not more supportive of this 3 Year Pilot Scheme as I understand you have involvement with young people in some capacity Of course it is monitored very strictly (it commenced in July 2022) It is being studied in conjunction with Oxford University This Oxford University's outlines the workings and objectives of the scheme www.education.ox.ac.uk/research/the-welsh-basic-income-scheme/By definition these are vulnerable people many who have experienced trauma and many with mental health issues Surely this is a proactive approach to transition these young Adults into Society who unlike others of same age dont have a Family Support Network around them. In any case at 18 they would be eligible for Universal Credit as any other 18 year old so the cost is minimal but surely better than just being cast adrift The £1600 payment is subject to Tax so the net payment is £1280 per month for the 500 places available on the Pilot Scheme So what happens when the money stops? Won’t that leave them adrift having depended on 1280 a month for 3 years and then it’s gone. Will it take them away from a work ethic. Doesn’t working for a wage give people pride isn’t that good for mental health. What about people who want to work on a low wage and earn their money rather than have it given to them. Isn’t it setting them up to fail and making them think why bother if I have someone getting more than me for doing nothing. I’m not sure as someone that works with young people that parents wouldn’t be happier with a more natural progression in life re working hard to earn a living.
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 14:47:06 GMT
I'd say alot of that is down to Starmer being a twat tbh that has tried to purge the Labour Party of some of their most left wing representatives. I doubt it's anything to do with this £1600 thing.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 18, 2023 15:01:49 GMT
I'd say alot of that is down to Starmer being a twat tbh that has tried to purge the Labour Party of some of their most left wing representatives. I doubt it's anything to do with this £1600 thing. It's in the Daily Mail, there's a high percentage chance it's utter bollocks anyway.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2023 15:26:15 GMT
I'm surprised your not more supportive of this 3 Year Pilot Scheme as I understand you have involvement with young people in some capacity Of course it is monitored very strictly (it commenced in July 2022) It is being studied in conjunction with Oxford University This Oxford University's outlines the workings and objectives of the scheme www.education.ox.ac.uk/research/the-welsh-basic-income-scheme/By definition these are vulnerable people many who have experienced trauma and many with mental health issues Surely this is a proactive approach to transition these young Adults into Society who unlike others of same age dont have a Family Support Network around them. In any case at 18 they would be eligible for Universal Credit as any other 18 year old so the cost is minimal but surely better than just being cast adrift The £1600 payment is subject to Tax so the net payment is £1280 per month for the 500 places available on the Pilot Scheme So what happens when the money stops? Won’t that leave them adrift having depended on 1280 a month for 3 years and then it’s gone. Will it take them away from a work ethic. Doesn’t work give people pride isn’t that good for mental health. What about people who want to work and earn their money. Isn’t it setting them up to fail and making them think why bother if I have someone getting more than me for doing nothing. The purpose of a pilot is to answer these questions One correction the Pilot is for 3 years but 2 years for those participating The whole point is to encourage into the workforce but to provide a safety net, I've already said if they were on Univesal Credits they would get a similar amount as does any other 18 year old not in the Care System A quasi system was piloted for unemployed people in 2017/18 in Finland it was criticised for its structure as the money about €560 per month was not sufficient to live on.It was not pursued because the Political objective was to get people back to work which had marginal results of 18% in year 1 and 27% in year 2, but it most definitely had a positive impact on mental health www.newscientist.com/article/2242937-universal-basic-income-seems-to-improve-employment-and-well-being/Spain introduced a UBI in January of this year www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/gobierno/councilministers/paginas/2022/20220927_council.aspxWith the rapid advancement of AI many millions of jobs as we know them will simply disappear in the next few years I'd prefer to have a Government that was forward planning rather than treating people receiving benefits as stigmatised, employing thousands of Jobsworths to process endless amount of paperwork and make subjective decisions about people's mental or physical ability to work, a task they are woefully ill trained to do. www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/benefits-health-assessment-system-contributed-to-death-of-claimants-report-finds-12856983
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 18, 2023 15:29:18 GMT
I'm surprised your not more supportive of this 3 Year Pilot Scheme as I understand you have involvement with young people in some capacity Of course it is monitored very strictly (it commenced in July 2022) It is being studied in conjunction with Oxford University This Oxford University's outlines the workings and objectives of the scheme www.education.ox.ac.uk/research/the-welsh-basic-income-scheme/By definition these are vulnerable people many who have experienced trauma and many with mental health issues Surely this is a proactive approach to transition these young Adults into Society who unlike others of same age dont have a Family Support Network around them. In any case at 18 they would be eligible for Universal Credit as any other 18 year old so the cost is minimal but surely better than just being cast adrift The £1600 payment is subject to Tax so the net payment is £1280 per month for the 500 places available on the Pilot Scheme So what happens when the money stops? Won’t that leave them adrift having depended on 1280 a month for 3 years and then it’s gone. Will it take them away from a work ethic. Doesn’t work give people pride isn’t that good for mental health. What about people who want to work and earn their money. Isn’t it setting them up to fail and making them think why bother if I have someone getting more than me for doing nothing. That's the whole point of it being a pilot to see how they react to the money. They don't get it for 3 years they get it for 2 years, the pilot is being run for 3 years. There's nothing stopping them from working, the hope is that this encourages them to get up on their own 2 feet however there is nothing stopping them from pissing it up the wall too.
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 18, 2023 15:32:55 GMT
So what happens when the money stops? Won’t that leave them adrift having depended on 1280 a month for 3 years and then it’s gone. Will it take them away from a work ethic. Doesn’t work give people pride isn’t that good for mental health. What about people who want to work and earn their money. Isn’t it setting them up to fail and making them think why bother if I have someone getting more than me for doing nothing. That's the whole point of it being a pilot to see how they react to the money. They don't get it for 3 years they get it for 2 years, the pilot is being run for 3 years. There's nothing stopping them from working, the hope is that this encourages them to get up on their own 2 feet however there is nothing stopping them from pissing it up the wall too. Exactly. Let’s look at there ages too. 18 is a very impressionable age and where they’re classed as ADULTS. So if they get a job they’ll lose the 1200 pounds a month? It’ll certainly be an interesting experiment.
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 18, 2023 15:34:38 GMT
So what happens when the money stops? Won’t that leave them adrift having depended on 1280 a month for 3 years and then it’s gone. Will it take them away from a work ethic. Doesn’t work give people pride isn’t that good for mental health. What about people who want to work and earn their money. Isn’t it setting them up to fail and making them think why bother if I have someone getting more than me for doing nothing. The purpose of a pilot is to answer these questions One correction the Pilot is for 3 years but 2 years for those participating The whole point is to encourage into the workforce but to provide a safety net, I've already said if they were on Univesal Credits they would get a similar amount as does any other 18 year old not in the Care System A quasi system was piloted for unemployed people in 2017/18 in Finland it was criticised for its structure as the money about €560 per month was not sufficient to live on.It was not pursued because the Political objective was to get people back to work which had marginal results of 18% in year 1 and 27% in year 2, but it most definitely had a positive impact on mental health www.newscientist.com/article/2242937-universal-basic-income-seems-to-improve-employment-and-well-being/Spain introduced a UBI in January of this year www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/gobierno/councilministers/paginas/2022/20220927_council.aspxWith the rapid advancement of AI many millions of jobs as we know them will simply disappear in the next few years I'd prefer to have a Government that was forward planning rather than treating people receiving benefits as stigmatised, employing thousands of Jobsworths to process endless amount of paperwork and make subjective decisions about people's mental or physical ability to work, a task they are woefully ill trained to do. www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/benefits-health-assessment-system-contributed-to-death-of-claimants-report-finds-12856983I guess it’s over to the young adults to show us how it works then.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2023 15:40:55 GMT
I guess it’s over to the young adults to show us how it works then. It will as far as Children in Care and potentially young Asylum Seekers are concerned I would like to see a similar scheme piloted in the general population as the current system is simply not working
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 15:47:29 GMT
I'm surprised your not more supportive of this 3 Year Pilot Scheme as I understand you have involvement with young people in some capacity Of course it is monitored very strictly (it commenced in July 2022) It is being studied in conjunction with Oxford University This Oxford University's outlines the workings and objectives of the scheme www.education.ox.ac.uk/research/the-welsh-basic-income-scheme/By definition these are vulnerable people many who have experienced trauma and many with mental health issues Surely this is a proactive approach to transition these young Adults into Society who unlike others of same age dont have a Family Support Network around them. In any case at 18 they would be eligible for Universal Credit as any other 18 year old so the cost is minimal but surely better than just being cast adrift The £1600 payment is subject to Tax so the net payment is £1280 per month for the 500 places available on the Pilot Scheme So what happens when the money stops? Won’t that leave them adrift having depended on 1280 a month for 3 years and then it’s gone. Will it take them away from a work ethic. Doesn’t working for a wage give people pride isn’t that good for mental health. What about people who want to work on a low wage and earn their money rather than have it given to them. Isn’t it setting them up to fail and making them think why bother if I have someone getting more than me for doing nothing. I’m not sure as someone that works with young people that parents wouldn’t be happier with a more natural progression in life re working hard to earn a living. I see it more as creating a temporary safety net for those who don't have one. I knew if things went tits up for me in my early 20s that I always had the safety net of a parent or family member to move back in with. And more and more young adults are living with parents than ever before. I haven't read the details of the scheme so I'm going out on a whim with assumptions. But I presume there must be some sort of general carter and life support there too and maybe some criteria they have to follow as well to continue on the scheme. So if they get convicted of a crime maybe they'll get kicked off? I think though the problem with alot of these people is they have nothing to lose. Whereas when you've actually built something for yourself then you're more motivated to keep it. A homeless person with no friends family or job is much more likely to commit crime and take hard drugs because they've nothing to lose and things can't get worse for them. Let these people rent their own places and have their first ever "home". Allow them to learn basic skills like cooking and money management. Give them the time to up skill and learn skills which will help with work. And through all the above I think they've then got a chance in life and they've got something to lose too. They'll be motivated to get jobs and stay in work because they can see the life they can have. But a meeting with a social worker for an hour a week isn't going to make a long term difference. And the evidence shows what we're currently doing isn't working so why not try something different. Its very much more horse and carrot ideology rather than horse and whip. If you keep whipping the horse with no reward it will eventually give up. Give him a taste of a carrot and dangle it in front of him and he will suddenly be motivated to push himself once he's had a taste of it. As wannabe said. Similar schemes elsewhere have had success - www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessnessSurely a pilot is the right thing to do. That's not a new bill or law. It's just testing something which could save the country alot of money in the long term while also saving the lives and giving hope to those who have had the worst possible upbringings.
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Post by phileetin on Apr 18, 2023 15:47:33 GMT
minimum wage is 10.42 / hour , say 35 hour week x 52 / 12 = £1580.33 per month. immigrants from all over the world will be here for 3 years .
labour have obviously done the maths to antagonise the conservatives.
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 18, 2023 15:48:51 GMT
That's the whole point of it being a pilot to see how they react to the money. They don't get it for 3 years they get it for 2 years, the pilot is being run for 3 years. There's nothing stopping them from working, the hope is that this encourages them to get up on their own 2 feet however there is nothing stopping them from pissing it up the wall too. Exactly. Let’s look at there ages too. 18 is a very impressionable age and where they’re classed as ADULTS. So if they get a job they’ll lose the 1200 pounds a month? It’ll certainly be an interesting experiment. No the money is for 24 months unconditional, but it is treated as taxable income not a benefit so they'll probably have to do a tax return or deal with HMRC to get the right tax calculated. Yes they're adults coming from a broken/troubled upbringing. You obviously think it'll go on partying I'm intrigued to see if it helps keep them out of the justice system.
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 15:49:38 GMT
Not targeting you BTW Cobham because you're raising good counter arguments. And others more centre or right leaning will have similar pov so you ain't alone.
You know where I stand politically though and this is the sort of left wing scheme which I believe in. So just trying to argue my side.
Like you said earlier though. It's the results which matter and will be interesting to see what comes out of this pilot in the long run.
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 15:51:40 GMT
minimum wage is 10.42 / hour , say 35 hour week x 52 / 12 = £1580.33 per month. immigrants from all over the world will be here for 3 years . labour have obviously done the maths to antagonise the conservatives. Can you send me the link to the letter over if possible? As the daily express and daily mail links keep referencing a letter but don't provide any of the contents or any direct quotes from it. I'd like to see the substance.
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 18, 2023 15:55:47 GMT
minimum wage is 10.42 / hour , say 35 hour week x 52 / 12 = £1580.33 per month. immigrants from all over the world will be here for 3 years . labour have obviously done the maths to antagonise the conservatives. Can you send me the link to the letter over if possible? As the daily express and daily mail links keep referencing a letter but don't provide any of the contents or any direct quotes from it. I'd like to see the substance. It's probably hiding with all the missing capital letters
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Post by gawa on Apr 18, 2023 16:04:05 GMT
Can you send me the link to the letter over if possible? As the daily express and daily mail links keep referencing a letter but don't provide any of the contents or any direct quotes from it. I'd like to see the substance. It's probably hiding with all the missing capital letters I've tried my best to find it on Google but I can't find it. And I just find it really odd that there are no direct quotes or anything provided in the articles linked either. If the letter says what they allude to then why not provide evidence? It's like doing the matt Hancock WhatsApp leaks with no evidence of WhatsApp messages.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2023 16:36:45 GMT
I'd say alot of that is down to Starmer being a twat tbh that has tried to purge the Labour Party of some of their most left wing representatives. I doubt it's anything to do with this £1600 thing. The scheme is nothing of the sort nor was it reported in the Mail or the Express as highlighted .... although neither publication is adverse to printing lies. Philistine is on a 🎣 trip today posting bollocks he knows to be untrue
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 18, 2023 17:01:42 GMT
Not targeting you BTW Cobham because you're raising good counter arguments. And others more centre or right leaning will have similar pov so you ain't alone. You know where I stand politically though and this is the sort of left wing scheme which I believe in. So just trying to argue my side. Like you said earlier though. It's the results which matter and will be interesting to see what comes out of this pilot in the long run. I guess I’ve just always had the attitude that you shouldn’t get something for nothing in this world and it just doesn’t sit comfortably with me that people should be gifted money for doing nothing as I’ve always had the attitude that money doesn’t grow on trees and you should earn it through hard work. I don’t think that’s such a bad thing or obscene to have that mentality. Maybe it’s my age.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2023 17:33:37 GMT
Not targeting you BTW Cobham because you're raising good counter arguments. And others more centre or right leaning will have similar pov so you ain't alone. You know where I stand politically though and this is the sort of left wing scheme which I believe in. So just trying to argue my side. Like you said earlier though. It's the results which matter and will be interesting to see what comes out of this pilot in the long run. I guess I’ve just always had the attitude that you shouldn’t get something for nothing in this world and it just doesn’t sit comfortably with me that people should be gifted money for doing nothing as I’ve always had the attitude that money doesn’t grow on trees and you should earn it through hard work. I don’t think that’s such a bad thing or obscene to have that mentality. Maybe it’s my age. For the third time, they would get pretty much the same amount if they claimed Universal Credit at 18 like their peers who have not been in the Care System Why are you continuing to call it "Free Money" Were you mature enough at 18 to set up on your own without any support structure never mind coming out of an institutionalised Care System?
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 18, 2023 18:02:05 GMT
I guess I’ve just always had the attitude that you shouldn’t get something for nothing in this world and it just doesn’t sit comfortably with me that people should be gifted money for doing nothing as I’ve always had the attitude that money doesn’t grow on trees and you should earn it through hard work. I don’t think that’s such a bad thing or obscene to have that mentality. Maybe it’s my age. For the third time, they would get pretty much the same amount if they claimed Universal Credit at 18 like their peers who have not been in the Care System Why are you continuing to call it "Free Money" Were you mature enough at 18 to set up on your own without any support structure never mind coming out of an institutionalised Care System? Yes i was. 17 actually i worked my balls off got myself a job and lived in a bedsit. I’m calling it free money because it’s money that’s given for free and without having to do anything to earn it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 18, 2023 18:06:26 GMT
For the third time, they would get pretty much the same amount if they claimed Universal Credit at 18 like their peers who have not been in the Care System Why are you continuing to call it "Free Money" Were you mature enough at 18 to set up on your own without any support structure never mind coming out of an institutionalised Care System? Yes i was. 17 actually i worked my balls off got myself a job and lived in a bedsit. I’m calling it free money because it’s money that’s given for free and without having to do anything to earn it. It’s disgusting
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 18, 2023 18:07:49 GMT
For the third time, they would get pretty much the same amount if they claimed Universal Credit at 18 like their peers who have not been in the Care System Why are you continuing to call it "Free Money" Were you mature enough at 18 to set up on your own without any support structure never mind coming out of an institutionalised Care System? Yes i was. 17 actually i worked my balls off got myself a job and lived in a bedsit. I’m calling it free money because it’s money that’s given for free and without having to do anything to earn it. You must hate the royal family Cobs 😂
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2023 18:21:39 GMT
For the third time, they would get pretty much the same amount if they claimed Universal Credit at 18 like their peers who have not been in the Care System Why are you continuing to call it "Free Money" Were you mature enough at 18 to set up on your own without any support structure never mind coming out of an institutionalised Care System? Yes i was. 17 actually i worked my balls off got myself a job and lived in a bedsit. I’m calling it free money because it’s money that’s given for free and without having to do anything to earn it. Sorry to hear you hadn't the safety net of a Family to support you if needed at such a young age I presume with that stance you would abolish all Benefits as its money given for free without having to do anything to earn it. In this case part of a Pilot Project or they can just claim same amount on Univesal Credit.
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 18, 2023 18:32:31 GMT
Yes i was. 17 actually i worked my balls off got myself a job and lived in a bedsit. I’m calling it free money because it’s money that’s given for free and without having to do anything to earn it. Sorry to hear you hadn't the safety net of a Family to support you if needed at such a young age I presume with that stance you would abolish all Benefits as its money given for free without having to do anything to earn it. In this case part of a Pilot Project or they can just claim same amount on Univesal Credit. It was down to moving area predominantly as there was no work where I was living in the NE. I just think you make your own luck in this world and if you have the drive and support (not financial) you can do anything. I’m not academic (and dyslexic) but I don’t give up. Earning that first pay packet was huge and the satisfaction I got from “paying my way” down the pub was massive and wouldn’t have been the same if I hadn’t earnt it. I have no issue with supporting people coming from care but make them earn it. There’s plenty of jobs that arent filled plus it teaches the work ethic plus pride.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 18, 2023 18:45:43 GMT
Sorry to hear you hadn't the safety net of a Family to support you if needed at such a young age I presume with that stance you would abolish all Benefits as its money given for free without having to do anything to earn it. In this case part of a Pilot Project or they can just claim same amount on Univesal Credit. It was down to moving area predominantly as there was no work where I was living in the NE. I just think you make your own luck in this world and if you have the drive and support (not financial) you can do anything. I’m not academic (and dyslexic) but I don’t give up. Earning that first pay packet was huge and the satusfaction I got from “paying my way” down the pub was massive and wouldn’t have been the same if I hadn’t earnt it. I have no issue with supporting people coming from care but make them earn it. There’s plenty of jobs that arent filled plus it teaches the work ethic plus pride. You may as well bang your head against a brick wall than convince these wokies that money is earned mate.
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