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Post by yeswilko on Apr 8, 2023 13:48:16 GMT
And we have some on here complaining about hatred being shown towards these people..
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 8, 2023 15:09:43 GMT
It’ll be interesting what take the daily’s and media have on this. Sounds awful.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Apr 8, 2023 17:08:12 GMT
This was just on TV. I couldn't help thinking that Braverman and Sunak would be packing Azeem (Morgan Freeman) off to Rwanda pretty sharpish
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Post by thevoid on Apr 8, 2023 18:28:53 GMT
This was just on TV. I couldn't help thinking that Braverman and Sunak would be packing Azeem (Morgan Freeman) off to Rwanda pretty sharpish Isn't Morgan Freeman playing a Moorish man cultural appropriation? I mean, I couldn't care less but some people get their knickers in a twist over this sort of thing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2023 7:44:21 GMT
They are actively trying to ruin the country.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 9, 2023 12:22:06 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it.
It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ...
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Post by wannabee on Apr 9, 2023 13:32:58 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it. It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ... UK has become a nasty spiteful Country with the Majority apathetic or despairing while a small section are gleeful and the remainder too embarrassed to admit they were duped
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 9, 2023 14:29:22 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it. It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ... UK has become a nasty spiteful Country with the Majority apathetic or despairing while a small section are gleeful and the remainder too embarrassed to admit they were duped All you can do is to continue to point out the lies and nastiness of it all and hope that there are enough people in the middle ground who will turn their backs on it when they know the truth. You'll never reach the people who love this kind of nasty stuff simply because they need an out-group to despise, but there are plenty more in the middle who might respond to the reality and evidence that this whole area is being pushed as a distraction from the mess that the last 13 years have made of the country and its public services.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2023 9:00:17 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 10, 2023 10:45:22 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it. It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ... UK has become a nasty spiteful Country with the Majority apathetic or despairing while a small section are gleeful and the remainder too embarrassed to admit they were duped Evidence of the bullshit this government comes out with: Today's Daily Telegraph: Only 215 out of 45,755 Channel migrants were deported last year Just 215 of the 45,755 migrants who crossed the Channel by small boats were deported last year, according to Home Office data. More than 25,000 of those were found to be refugees, despite government claims that the majority of people crossing by small boats are economic migrants. One in five was a child. The 215 who were deported represented just 0.47% of the total. Natalie Elphicke, the Conservative MP for Dover, urged the Home Office to "get a grip". In 2021, Priti Patel, then Home Secretary, claimed that "70% of individuals on small boats are single men who are effectively economic migrants". However, the Home Office has since admitted that it had no evidence to support this claim. The statement has not been corrected.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 10, 2023 12:20:42 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it. It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ... The way British politics is going the next election will be exclusively fought on the small boat "crisis" and the transgender issue. Very sad.......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 10, 2023 13:26:40 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it. It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ... The way British politics is going the next election will be exclusively fought on the small boat "crisis" and the transgender issue. Very sad....... Agreed. As if either issue affects 99% of the population. Failing public services on the other hand....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 10, 2023 14:04:16 GMT
Nothing but culture wars and sadly some people are falling for it. It's all the Tories have got left and it is utterly disgusting ... The way British politics is going the next election will be exclusively fought on the small boat "crisis" and the transgender issue. Very sad....... Proudly boasting that's what their intention is ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 10, 2023 22:23:18 GMT
LONDON: Thousands of healthcare professionals have called on UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman to apologise to British Pakistanis for making false, racist and Islamophobic allegations against them and creating dangers for them in Britain.
Dozens of healthcare organisations – with a collective membership in thousands consisting of healthcare professionals from multiple backgrounds — have called on Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to take notice of racist and false allegations by the Home Secretary about Pakistanis linking them to sex grooming gangs, against the government’s own evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 22:47:27 GMT
LONDON: Thousands of healthcare professionals have called on UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman to apologise to British Pakistanis for making false, racist and Islamophobic allegations against them and creating dangers for them in Britain. Dozens of healthcare organisations – with a collective membership in thousands consisting of healthcare professionals from multiple backgrounds — have called on Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to take notice of racist and false allegations by the Home Secretary about Pakistanis linking them to sex grooming gangs, against the government’s own evidence. I wonder how Suella would respond if wild accusations were thrown about against those of Indian heritage. Given that Sunak’s grandfather was from Pakistan, you’d think he’d care a little bit more about it all.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 10, 2023 22:50:19 GMT
"It's entirely possible that wokeness in all its forms will be the iceberg that sinks the USA and many other Western countries.
For every year it reigns, they lose ground to other parts of the world who still have their eyes on the ball". Quote from Zuby earlier today.
So so true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 23:00:47 GMT
"It's entirely possible that wokeness in all its forms will be the iceberg that sinks the USA and many other Western countries. For every year it reigns, they lose ground to other parts of the world who still have their eyes on the ball". Quote from Zuby earlier today. So so true. Which ground do you suggest that the West is losing? And which acts of “wokeness” have led to them?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 10, 2023 23:05:00 GMT
The Tories absolutely should fight the election on subjects such as the trans debate/protection of women because they are hugely important topics that Labour won't go near. They should absolutely take on the culture wars.
But they should also focus and more importantly start DELIVERING on other critical areas that voters want to see improvement on, such as the economy, public sector improvements, illegal immigration, lower taxation and education.
Trials for those who voted in favour of lockdowns and absurd, comical mandates would be great as well but will settle for all of the above. 😊
The "Conservatives" shouldn't be limiting themselves to quick, easy, vote winning slogans - They need to start delivering. Sunak has shown some signs he's willing to take on some of the difficult subjects but then again, he doesn't have any choice - If he doesn't, then he's out in 18 months and he'll know that.
One thing they can guarantee - Starmer won't go near the difficult debates.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 10, 2023 23:31:17 GMT
The Tories absolutely should fight the election on subjects such as the trans debate/protection of women because they are hugely important topics that Labour won't go near. They should absolutely take on the culture wars. But they should also focus and more importantly start DELIVERING on other critical areas that voters want to see improvement on, such as the economy, public sector improvements, illegal immigration, lower taxation and education. Trials for those who voted in favour of lockdowns and absurd, comical mandates would be great as well but will settle for all of the above. 😊 The "Conservatives" shouldn't be limiting themselves to quick, easy, vote winning slogans - They need to start delivering. Sunak has shown some signs he's willing to take on some of the difficult subjects but then again, he doesn't have any choice - If he doesn't, then he's out in 18 months and he'll know that. One thing they can guarantee - Starmer won't go near the difficult debates. Labour has gone near it.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 10, 2023 23:32:10 GMT
The way British politics is going the next election will be exclusively fought on the small boat "crisis" and the transgender issue. Very sad....... Proudly boasting that's what their intention is ... Obviously people with a certain level of morals, even lifelong Tory supporters can't stomach the sewer level to which the Tory’s are prepared to decend to. Iain Anderson (not 30P Lee) founder of the Cicero public relations group and named “LGBT business champion” in Boris Johnson’s government in September 2021, said he was switching his support to Labour.Anderson, a friend of former prime minister Liz Truss and levelling-up secretary Michael Gove, said that after 39 years as a Tory party member, he was quitting. “It’s not the party it used to be — I can’t defend it,” he said.When he was appointed, Truss, then minister for women and equalities, spoke of Anderson’s “considerable experience working with a range of businesses” and said he would be crucial in developing policies to improve the workplace for LGBT people.But Anderson became disillusioned and quit that role last year in protest against the government’s approach to transgender issues. Now he has torn up his party membership too.“The first thing is the party’s relationship with business,” he told the Financial Times, saying its approach seemed to reflect Johnson’s infamous comment “f*** business” in relation to Brexit.Anderson, who wrote a book on Tory-business relations, said: “I’ve tried to understand why a Conservative leader could say that and nobody in the party blinked an eyelid about it.”Of course it's the Tory’s mismanagement of the Economy and lack of coherent Economic Policies and the Fallout from Brexit which has driven them to use such degrading Election Tactics as evidenced by CBI Leader urging the Government to come clean on the perilous State of the UK Economy Business leaders have become increasingly critical of the Conservative government, notably over its perceived lack of a coherent growth strategy. The economic fallout of Brexit remains a running sore.Tony Danker, head of the CBI ( who speaks on behalf of UK Businesses) employers’ group, last month said: “Denial of where our economy is right now compared to our international competitors is the surest way to leave the UK’s growth prospects faltering this decade.”
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 10, 2023 23:46:55 GMT
"It's entirely possible that wokeness in all its forms will be the iceberg that sinks the USA and many other Western countries. For every year it reigns, they lose ground to other parts of the world who still have their eyes on the ball". Quote from Zuby earlier today. So so true. Which ground do you suggest that the West is losing? And which acts of “wokeness” have led to them? The West hasn't been this vulnerable in our lifetime. Summed up by demonstrably weak leaders and in the case of the US, an 80 year old president who doesn't know what day it is. Indeed, I think a huge reason for Putin's absurd invasion of Ukraine was Western vulnerability or at least (rightly or wrongly), Eastern perception of the West's vulnerability. I think culturally, economically and militarily times are tough for the West and we've lost ground on certain aspects of all three of these areas. A hugely polarised society (based on culture not wealth which is dangerous), stagnating economic policy, chronic underfunding of our own armed forces, total lack of public faith in government and an unquestionable apathy towards patriotism - To name a few. Many other areas as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's all doom and gloom like the media will have us believe and we are starting to see signs that maybe Western leaders are willing to address some of these challenges, but time will tell. I feel like China invading Taiwan would be an absolute disaster for the West and one can only hope and pray that doesn't happen. What makes you think we haven't lost ground? Do you think the West is as dominant as it was say 30 or 40 years ago?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 0:03:05 GMT
The Tories absolutely should fight the election on subjects such as the trans debate/protection of women because they are hugely important topics that Labour won't go near. They should absolutely take on the culture wars. But they should also focus and more importantly start DELIVERING on other critical areas that voters want to see improvement on, such as the economy, public sector improvements, illegal immigration, lower taxation and education. Trials for those who voted in favour of lockdowns and absurd, comical mandates would be great as well but will settle for all of the above. 😊 The "Conservatives" shouldn't be limiting themselves to quick, easy, vote winning slogans - They need to start delivering. Sunak has shown some signs he's willing to take on some of the difficult subjects but then again, he doesn't have any choice - If he doesn't, then he's out in 18 months and he'll know that. One thing they can guarantee - Starmer won't go near the difficult debates. Labour has gone near it. Reading that article it feels pretty farfetched to suggest Labour is going to act on anything though doesn't it? Is this not a bit like when he decided to get the Union Jack out for his interviews? Or perhaps similar to when he sacked the bloke he spent years trying to get into downing street? Starmer acting on defending women against hostile elements of the trans movement is about as likely as him appointing Corbyn to his cabinet. If the next election is fought over culture, we are in for some significant entertainment. It will be incredibly uncomfortable for Starmer. Hopefully it's also fought on delivering success for Great Britain and not just in the gutter. I think the people of this country are owed that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 0:17:57 GMT
Which ground do you suggest that the West is losing? And which acts of “wokeness” have led to them? The West hasn't been this vulnerable in our lifetime. Summed up by demonstrably weak leaders and in the case of the US, an 80 year old president who doesn't know what day it is. Indeed, I think a huge reason for Putin's absurd invasion of Ukraine was Western vulnerability or at least (rightly or wrongly), Eastern perception of the West's vulnerability. I think culturally, economically and militarily times are tough for the West and we've lost ground on certain aspects of all three of these areas. A hugely polarised society (based on culture not wealth which is dangerous), stagnating economic policy, chronic underfunding of our own armed forces, total lack of public faith in government and an unquestionable apathy towards patriotism - To name a few. Many other areas as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's all doom and gloom like the media will have us believe and we are starting to see signs that maybe Western leaders are willing to address some of these challenges, but time will tell. I feel like China invading Taiwan would be an absolute disaster for the West and one can only hope and pray that doesn't happen. What makes you think we haven't lost ground? Do you think the West is as dominant as it was say 30 or 40 years ago? In general, I don’t see any difference in standing between where we are now and where we were in say 2001. Putin has thrown a war into Europe for the first time in a very long time, but then again, has he? Eastern Europe has been in and out of wars for decades. I don’t think that someone will risk war with the US because there is an 80 year old sitting there. The US wouldn’t have done anything differently under Trump, or under De Santis….actually under the latter, they may just take Eastern Europe with some happy clapping from the prat. Overall, “culture wars” have existed all my life. They’ve always looked to target the same things. When I was a kid, it was just gays rather than trans. Russia isn’t going to war because of trans rights. And to add to that, I think the reality of “culture wars” is seen more now than ever because it’s the most connected society has ever been (and most disconnected when it comes to closer bonds). Things that may just have annoyed someone 30 years ago can become a real issue for them now as they talk to people who disagree with them regularly.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 11, 2023 1:31:16 GMT
The Tories absolutely should fight the election on subjects such as the trans debate/protection of women because they are hugely important topics that Labour won't go near. They should absolutely take on the culture wars. But they should also focus and more importantly start DELIVERING on other critical areas that voters want to see improvement on, such as the economy, public sector improvements, illegal immigration, lower taxation and education. Trials for those who voted in favour of lockdowns and absurd, comical mandates would be great as well but will settle for all of the above. 😊 The "Conservatives" shouldn't be limiting themselves to quick, easy, vote winning slogans - They need to start delivering. Sunak has shown some signs he's willing to take on some of the difficult subjects but then again, he doesn't have any choice - If he doesn't, then he's out in 18 months and he'll know that. One thing they can guarantee - Starmer won't go near the difficult debates. But the Tory’s are not going to fight the Election on "Cullture Wars" they are very low priority in Voters Priorities and are just distraction tactics to steer the debate away from the issues the majority of people have concern with and which the Tories have failed miserably. Of course Starmer is not going to get into playground debates,. The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 1:45:36 GMT
The Tories absolutely should fight the election on subjects such as the trans debate/protection of women because they are hugely important topics that Labour won't go near. They should absolutely take on the culture wars. But they should also focus and more importantly start DELIVERING on other critical areas that voters want to see improvement on, such as the economy, public sector improvements, illegal immigration, lower taxation and education. Trials for those who voted in favour of lockdowns and absurd, comical mandates would be great as well but will settle for all of the above. 😊 The "Conservatives" shouldn't be limiting themselves to quick, easy, vote winning slogans - They need to start delivering. Sunak has shown some signs he's willing to take on some of the difficult subjects but then again, he doesn't have any choice - If he doesn't, then he's out in 18 months and he'll know that. One thing they can guarantee - Starmer won't go near the difficult debates. But the Tory’s are not going to fight the Election on "Cullture Wars" they are very low priority in Voters Priorities and are just distraction tactics to steer the debate away from the issues the majority of people have concern with and which the Tories have failed miserably. Of course Starmer is not going to get into playground debates,. The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/“The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence” “Will” and “should” are two very different things. My parents are currently quite happily distracted by immigration. It’s laughable to me that as people who would benefit most from Labour, they have suddenly lost interest. Suppose that means I’ll be paying for them as they get old. Also shows how weak the Labour Party has been that two people who have voted Labour since 18 can so easily switch and go against their own best interests.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 11, 2023 3:27:22 GMT
But the Tory’s are not going to fight the Election on "Cullture Wars" they are very low priority in Voters Priorities and are just distraction tactics to steer the debate away from the issues the majority of people have concern with and which the Tories have failed miserably. Of course Starmer is not going to get into playground debates,. The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/“The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence” “Will” and “should” are two very different things. My parents are currently quite happily distracted by immigration. It’s laughable to me that as people who would benefit most from Labour, they have suddenly lost interest. Suppose that means I’ll be paying for them as they get old. Also shows how weak the Labour Party has been that two people who have voted Labour since 18 can so easily switch and go against their own best interests. "Any man (or woman) who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man (or woman) who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains" (ascribed to many) This in general describes the dilemma that the Labour Party have to overcome in achieving a Majority in a FPTP Election unless the Conservatives have been so rank leading up to the Election Your post gave me a bit of a chuckle as a "senior citizen" myself as I can be a la carte in my views I'd just say they have paid their dues and are entitled to their opinions and I doubt judging by your posts you would begrudge them that. So in a sense the Pollsters may be correct in identifying the key issues, the age profile of who are reviewing the best Party to address those issues will/should be quite different. Another important factor that you will be very familiar with is that UK Elections have become progressively more Presidential in nature In that regard I personally struggle, although left leaning, to work out what core principles Starmer actually stands for. It remains to be seen whether this is an Electoral advantage or disadvantage
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 11, 2023 5:44:53 GMT
But the Tory’s are not going to fight the Election on "Cullture Wars" they are very low priority in Voters Priorities and are just distraction tactics to steer the debate away from the issues the majority of people have concern with and which the Tories have failed miserably. Of course Starmer is not going to get into playground debates,. The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/“The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence” “Will” and “should” are two very different things. My parents are currently quite happily distracted by immigration. It’s laughable to me that as people who would benefit most from Labour, they have suddenly lost interest. Suppose that means I’ll be paying for them as they get old. Also shows how weak the Labour Party has been that two people who have voted Labour since 18 can so easily switch and go against their own best interests. The perception that the little people benefit from parties being in government is interesting. Maybe it's different groups of the little people that benefit rather than the collective. What any political party promises and then actually delivers are usually poles apart in my experience. It should all be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 11, 2023 6:19:10 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 7:23:01 GMT
The Tories absolutely should fight the election on subjects such as the trans debate/protection of women because they are hugely important topics that Labour won't go near. They should absolutely take on the culture wars. But they should also focus and more importantly start DELIVERING on other critical areas that voters want to see improvement on, such as the economy, public sector improvements, illegal immigration, lower taxation and education. Trials for those who voted in favour of lockdowns and absurd, comical mandates would be great as well but will settle for all of the above. 😊 The "Conservatives" shouldn't be limiting themselves to quick, easy, vote winning slogans - They need to start delivering. Sunak has shown some signs he's willing to take on some of the difficult subjects but then again, he doesn't have any choice - If he doesn't, then he's out in 18 months and he'll know that. One thing they can guarantee - Starmer won't go near the difficult debates. But the Tory’s are not going to fight the Election on "Cullture Wars" they are very low priority in Voters Priorities and are just distraction tactics to steer the debate away from the issues the majority of people have concern with and which the Tories have failed miserably. Of course Starmer is not going to get into playground debates,. The issues Voters will base their judgement will be the perceived competency of each Party on in order of importance are Economy, Health, immigration, Environment, Brexit, Housing, Crime, Education and Defence www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/I wouldn't disagree.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 7:27:06 GMT
The West hasn't been this vulnerable in our lifetime. Summed up by demonstrably weak leaders and in the case of the US, an 80 year old president who doesn't know what day it is. Indeed, I think a huge reason for Putin's absurd invasion of Ukraine was Western vulnerability or at least (rightly or wrongly), Eastern perception of the West's vulnerability. I think culturally, economically and militarily times are tough for the West and we've lost ground on certain aspects of all three of these areas. A hugely polarised society (based on culture not wealth which is dangerous), stagnating economic policy, chronic underfunding of our own armed forces, total lack of public faith in government and an unquestionable apathy towards patriotism - To name a few. Many other areas as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's all doom and gloom like the media will have us believe and we are starting to see signs that maybe Western leaders are willing to address some of these challenges, but time will tell. I feel like China invading Taiwan would be an absolute disaster for the West and one can only hope and pray that doesn't happen. What makes you think we haven't lost ground? Do you think the West is as dominant as it was say 30 or 40 years ago? In general, I don’t see any difference in standing between where we are now and where we were in say 2001. Putin has thrown a war into Europe for the first time in a very long time, but then again, has he? Eastern Europe has been in and out of wars for decades. I don’t think that someone will risk war with the US because there is an 80 year old sitting there. The US wouldn’t have done anything differently under Trump, or under De Santis….actually under the latter, they may just take Eastern Europe with some happy clapping from the prat. Overall, “culture wars” have existed all my life. They’ve always looked to target the same things. When I was a kid, it was just gays rather than trans. Russia isn’t going to war because of trans rights. And to add to that, I think the reality of “culture wars” is seen more now than ever because it’s the most connected society has ever been (and most disconnected when it comes to closer bonds). Things that may just have annoyed someone 30 years ago can become a real issue for them now as they talk to people who disagree with them regularly. Fair enough. I do agree re social media. It makes everything feel a lot more polarised and the vast majority of shit on there is eternally negative (see previous hundreds of pages on this thread). There are some good things happening in the world, but as ever, fear and anger sells a lot better.
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