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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 5:54:36 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 7:31:46 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 7:37:43 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Mar 27, 2023 7:52:31 GMT
I do hope this isn't the only time they're going to be setting up a spoof company to interview these self serving arseholes. Be hilarious if they offered up different feeding troughs from different companies on a weekly basis, it'd proper throw a spanner in the works
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 8:05:42 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 9:47:43 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Mar 27, 2023 10:29:55 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example
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Post by phileetin on Mar 27, 2023 10:46:42 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example
at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 27, 2023 11:07:17 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
"Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said her party would recruit 13,000 more neighbourhood police, with a named officer for every community." www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64652746
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Post by elystokie on Mar 27, 2023 11:14:55 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
What is it about 'laughing gas' that makes it the 'scourge of society'? I had a go of one such balloon in Benidorm a couple of years back, I confess I was somewhat seduced by the appearance of the young ladies that were doing the rounds of the bars selling them Felt a bit lightheaded for a while and very slightly giggly, the effect probably lasted about 10 minutes max, nothing about the whole experience indicated to me why it should become a 'scourge on society' apart from it costing 5 euros a pop. Am I missing some hidden danger?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 11:30:15 GMT
at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
What is it about 'laughing gas' that makes it the 'scourge of society'? I had a go of one such balloon in Benidorm a couple of years back, I confess I was somewhat seduced by the appearance of the young ladies that were doing the rounds of the bars selling them Felt a bit lightheaded for a while and very slightly giggly, the effect probably lasted about 10 minutes max, nothing about the whole experience indicated to me why it should become a 'scourge on society' apart from it costing 5 euros a pop. Am I missing some hidden danger? It probably isn’t good for you health if done regularly. However, regular use of many drugs can be a cause of concern. It’s a distraction technique.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 27, 2023 11:33:35 GMT
What is it about 'laughing gas' that makes it the 'scourge of society'? I had a go of one such balloon in Benidorm a couple of years back, I confess I was somewhat seduced by the appearance of the young ladies that were doing the rounds of the bars selling them Felt a bit lightheaded for a while and very slightly giggly, the effect probably lasted about 10 minutes max, nothing about the whole experience indicated to me why it should become a 'scourge on society' apart from it costing 5 euros a pop. Am I missing some hidden danger? It probably isn’t good for you health if done regularly. However, regular use of many drugs can be a cause of concern. It’s a distraction technique. Neither is eating a McDonald's good for your health, sugar is terrible, sitting on a sofa too many hours a day is likely to shorten your life dramatically as is working shifts. None are illegal, as you say, it's another dog whistle for readers of certain newspapers.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 27, 2023 12:25:15 GMT
It probably isn’t good for you health if done regularly. However, regular use of many drugs can be a cause of concern. It’s a distraction technique. Neither is eating a McDonald's good for your health, sugar is terrible, sitting on a sofa too many hours a day is likely to shorten your life dramatically as is working shifts. None are illegal, as you say, it's another dog whistle for readers of certain newspapers. It's more important to do this and pick on homeless people than worry about millions of tons of shit being pumped into our rivers. I think laughing gas should be compulsory to take our minds off the cost of living.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 27, 2023 12:29:22 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example
at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
I assume this is just another opportunity for you to bash Labour If I'm wrong and it's just you lacking self awareness then that's a different matter Anti-Social behaviour is already an offence, littering is already an offence, what other than a headline is this new Law meant to achieve? If it's so harmful why is it freely given to women in childbirth with no harmful side effects on Mother or Baby? If this were an effective deterent why is the Government own Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs ACMD when asked to examine the issue recommended it should not be banned www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65085987.ampJust another Tory misuse of Public Funds to get a headline and create a distraction
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 12:36:04 GMT
at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
I assume this is just another opportunity for you to bash Labour If I'm wrong and it's just you lacking self awareness then that's a different matter Anti-Social behaviour is already an offence, littering is already an offence, what other than a headline is this new Law meant to achieve? If it's so harmful why is it freely given to women in childbirth with no harmful side effects on Mother or Baby? If this were an effective deterent why is the Government own Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs ACMD when asked to examine the issue recommended it should not be banned www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65085987.ampJust another Tory misuse of Public Funds to get a headline and create a distraction I agree with most of this, apart from: “If it's so harmful why is it freely given to women in childbirth with no harmful side effects on Mother or Baby?” There are countless drugs that are given for medically necessary reasons because the risks outweigh the cons. It’s not sound to argue that just because something is given in one circumstance, it should be available always. I don’t believe that it would be harmless if someone were to take it regularly, long-term. However, I do think that it’s a pretty stupid front line story to have running as there are clearly other big issues that need addressing.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 12:40:19 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Mar 27, 2023 12:41:33 GMT
You can no longer go wild camping on Dartmoor but I know a bloke who can build you a million pound home on there if you like.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 27, 2023 12:57:29 GMT
I assume this is just another opportunity for you to bash Labour If I'm wrong and it's just you lacking self awareness then that's a different matter Anti-Social behaviour is already an offence, littering is already an offence, what other than a headline is this new Law meant to achieve? If it's so harmful why is it freely given to women in childbirth with no harmful side effects on Mother or Baby? If this were an effective deterent why is the Government own Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs ACMD when asked to examine the issue recommended it should not be banned www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65085987.ampJust another Tory misuse of Public Funds to get a headline and create a distraction I agree with most of this, apart from: “If it's so harmful why is it freely given to women in childbirth with no harmful side effects on Mother or Baby?” There are countless drugs that are given for medically necessary reasons because the risks outweigh the cons. It’s not sound to argue that just because something is given in one circumstance, it should be available always. I don’t believe that it would be harmless if someone were to take it regularly, long-term. However, I do think that it’s a pretty stupid front line story to have running as there are clearly other big issues that need addressing. Again we are in violent agreement, excess of anything can be harmful I once worked with a really nice guy. He used to fly his small plane to work from Phoenix to Tucson every day, was into extreme marathons in the dessert and health obsessed. He literally drank pints upon pints of Carrot Juice everyday. You would not believe his skin colour, Bugs Bunny would be proud www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/5-faq-about-laughing-gas-for-pain-relief
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 13:18:59 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Mar 27, 2023 13:21:21 GMT
Is this an infringement of our "Sovereignty" which we've apparently only recently "won back"
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Post by elystokie on Mar 27, 2023 13:22:00 GMT
I agree with most of this, apart from: “If it's so harmful why is it freely given to women in childbirth with no harmful side effects on Mother or Baby?” There are countless drugs that are given for medically necessary reasons because the risks outweigh the cons. It’s not sound to argue that just because something is given in one circumstance, it should be available always. I don’t believe that it would be harmless if someone were to take it regularly, long-term. However, I do think that it’s a pretty stupid front line story to have running as there are clearly other big issues that need addressing. Again we are in violent agreement, excess of anything can be harmful I once worked with a really nice guy. He used to fly his small plane to work from Phoenix to Tucson every day, was into extreme marathons in the dessert and health obsessed. He literally drank pints upon pints of Carrot Juice everyday. You would not believe his skin colour, Bugs Bunny would be proud www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/5-faq-about-laughing-gas-for-pain-reliefExtreme marathons in the dessert sounds like he spends his time running through very large trifles
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Post by werrington on Mar 27, 2023 13:53:57 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 27, 2023 14:14:29 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example
at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
13 years of Tory government where they have cut so much of the funding giving young people something constructive to do with their time, and yet a few tough-talking words are all it takes to convince some that the Tories are tough on crime I will be interested to see some of the practicalities of this latest proposal- the idea that even if the perpetrators are caught by the overstretched police , they will then have to repair the specific damage they caused, under supervision, within 48 hours of getting an order raises the question of who is going to supervise them? There will be risk assessments required, possible training, requirements to ensure any tools used are certified etc etc.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 14:41:40 GMT
Ooops....
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Post by gawa on Mar 27, 2023 14:42:18 GMT
at least it is on the agenda , no body else appears to be bothered about it . could it be because labour are relying on pissed up druggies to vote for them to win the election ?
What is it about 'laughing gas' that makes it the 'scourge of society'? I had a go of one such balloon in Benidorm a couple of years back, I confess I was somewhat seduced by the appearance of the young ladies that were doing the rounds of the bars selling them Felt a bit lightheaded for a while and very slightly giggly, the effect probably lasted about 10 minutes max, nothing about the whole experience indicated to me why it should become a 'scourge on society' apart from it costing 5 euros a pop. Am I missing some hidden danger? I've not had it for years but in my experience it lasts for a minute of literally laughing and giggling at most and then it's gone. The danger of it is it can cause some form of brain damage I believe but the occurrences are very miniscule. The new danger is that there's a strong chance these will now be laced with other gases and sold on the black market due to the proposed law change.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 27, 2023 15:30:43 GMT
What is it about 'laughing gas' that makes it the 'scourge of society'? I had a go of one such balloon in Benidorm a couple of years back, I confess I was somewhat seduced by the appearance of the young ladies that were doing the rounds of the bars selling them Felt a bit lightheaded for a while and very slightly giggly, the effect probably lasted about 10 minutes max, nothing about the whole experience indicated to me why it should become a 'scourge on society' apart from it costing 5 euros a pop. Am I missing some hidden danger? I've not had it for years but in my experience it lasts for a minute of literally laughing and giggling at most and then it's gone. The danger of it is it can cause some form of brain damage I believe but the occurrences are very miniscule. The new danger is that there's a strong chance these will now be laced with other gases and sold on the black market due to the proposed law change. Ah ok I'd be interested to see what the actual stats are. Dr Robin Murray made a big thing years ago saying that if there was no cannabis at all psychosis levels would drop from 34 to 20, sounds a lot until you realise it's per 100,000 people. That works out at about 0.003% of the population if my workings out were correct. If we're going to insist on legislating against things that pose a danger to such a miniscule part of our society we're going to be ruling out an awful lot of activities. The 'scourge on society' is the same misguided and disingenuous rhetoric that Nixon used when he declared that drugs were 'public enemy number one' in 1971. Not ranting at you btw and you're absolutely correct, black market stuff won't get checked and it's a bit more profit for the criminal gangs, not that they're short of a few quid
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Post by gawa on Mar 27, 2023 16:37:51 GMT
I've not had it for years but in my experience it lasts for a minute of literally laughing and giggling at most and then it's gone. The danger of it is it can cause some form of brain damage I believe but the occurrences are very miniscule. The new danger is that there's a strong chance these will now be laced with other gases and sold on the black market due to the proposed law change. Ah ok I'd be interested to see what the actual stats are. Dr Robin Murray made a big thing years ago saying that if there was no cannabis at all psychosis levels would drop from 34 to 20, sounds a lot until you realise it's per 100,000 people. That works out at about 0.003% of the population if my workings out were correct. If we're going to insist on legislating against things that pose a danger to such a miniscule part of our society we're going to be ruling out an awful lot of activities. The 'scourge on society' is the same misguided and disingenuous rhetoric that Nixon used when he declared that drugs were 'public enemy number one' in 1971. Not ranting at you btw and you're absolutely correct, black market stuff won't get checked and it's a bit more profit for the criminal gangs, not that they're short of a few quid You know me bud I'm all for decriminalising and legalising a variety of drugs. When people decide to try a drug, the legality of it makes very little difference. Young people consuming laughing gas are already breaking the current law, this one just changes the laws for possessing and purchasing. If young people didn't think they were breaking any laws then parents would be finding cannisters in the home, not in parks out of sight of parents. But more frustratingly, the most annoying thing about this proposition for me is: - We already have appallingly low conviction rates for theft, pedophiles, people smuggling, tax evasion, rapists and child grooming gangs. And the torys now want police to focus on graffiti and anti social behaviour... Why are the tories and Starmer focusing on petty crime rather than actual crime? - Putting more focus on petty crime means less resources investigating serious crime. - Consuming laughing gas was already illegal. So making it illegal to posses isn't going to deter usage. - This law just increases the strength of the black market and criminal gangs from now controlling the market for this substance. - In turn this further increases the health risk for the users as there is less guarantee in relation to the safety of the product and the contents. - Young people are now further at risk of getting criminal convictions for trivial things which will impact their future. While 98% of rapists continue to walk free with no criminal record. Standard torys though, all talk no action. All they care about is finding their next statistic that they can make a 3 word slogan to boast about as they desperately attempt to cling on to power. No doubt this time next year it will be "We are the party which deliver for the people. In the last 12 months we have convicted 10% more criminals. The highest year on year increase in 50 years" But in essence its just a very carefully selected statistic with little substance behind it. Because you'd soon realise that the majority of those convictions are for teenagers who wrote "Bob and Dave 2k23 BFF" on a bus stop or a group of 16 year olds convicted for using laughing gas. All while the serious crimes I mentioned above continue to go unpunished at record rates...
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Post by elystokie on Mar 27, 2023 17:10:16 GMT
Ah ok I'd be interested to see what the actual stats are. Dr Robin Murray made a big thing years ago saying that if there was no cannabis at all psychosis levels would drop from 34 to 20, sounds a lot until you realise it's per 100,000 people. That works out at about 0.003% of the population if my workings out were correct. If we're going to insist on legislating against things that pose a danger to such a miniscule part of our society we're going to be ruling out an awful lot of activities. The 'scourge on society' is the same misguided and disingenuous rhetoric that Nixon used when he declared that drugs were 'public enemy number one' in 1971. Not ranting at you btw and you're absolutely correct, black market stuff won't get checked and it's a bit more profit for the criminal gangs, not that they're short of a few quid You know me bud I'm all for decriminalising and legalising a variety of drugs. When people decide to try a drug, the legality of it makes very little difference. Young people consuming laughing gas are already breaking the current law, this one just changes the laws for possessing and purchasing. If young people didn't think they were breaking any laws then parents would be finding cannisters in the home, not in parks out of sight of parents. But more frustratingly, the most annoying thing about this proposition for me is: - We already have appallingly low conviction rates for theft, pedophiles, people smuggling, tax evasion, rapists and child grooming gangs. And the torys now want police to focus on graffiti and anti social behaviour... Why are the tories and Starmer focusing on petty crime rather than actual crime? - Putting more focus on petty crime means less resources investigating serious crime. - Consuming laughing gas was already illegal. So making it illegal to posses isn't going to deter usage. - This law just increases the strength of the black market and criminal gangs from now controlling the market for this substance. - In turn this further increases the health risk for the users as there is less guarantee in relation to the safety of the product and the contents. - Young people are now further at risk of getting criminal convictions for trivial things which will impact their future. While 98% of rapists continue to walk free with no criminal record. Standard torys though, all talk no action. All they care about is finding their next statistic that they can make a 3 word slogan to boast about as they desperately attempt to cling on to power. No doubt this time next year it will be "We are the party which deliver for the people. In the last 12 months we have convicted 10% more criminals. The highest year on year increase in 50 years" But in essence its just a very carefully selected statistic with little substance behind it. Because you'd soon realise that the majority of those convictions are for teenagers who wrote "Bob and Dave 2k23 BFF" on a bus stop or a group of 16 year olds convicted for using laughing gas. All while the serious crimes I mentioned above continue to go unpunished at record rates... 👏
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2023 17:13:50 GMT
Poor old Susanna tries her best when interviewing these morons Its always back to the future with these clowns There always trying to fix some problem created by Labour 13+ years ago with a new "initiative" distraction. What Phil the Gulp doesn't grasp is that if they do get Police Numbers back to 2010 levels the population has increased in the meantime and to retain same level another 13K would need to be recruited And that's before a few thousand "Bad Apples" are thrown out for strip searching Children or just generally carrying out their duties in a Racist, Misogynistic and/or Homophobic manner Great news that all these extra Police are going to be handing out ASBOs for using Laughing Gas, the problem is no one is really Laughing at their 1.6% conviction rates for Rape as an example Fixing the mess that our friends in the City made, he meant to say, surely? The ones we've just rewarded for the decade of austerity they caused by removing caps on their bonuses. It's also pertinent that the re-establishment of policing numbers to roughly where they were in 2010 is all well and good but it doesn't take into account the additional enforcement responsibilities they will now have to deal with thanks to the creation of new laws such as outlawing nitrous oxide, criminalising protesting etc. Smoke and mirrors.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 27, 2023 18:19:43 GMT
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